Our dear friend W.F. Price of The Spearhead celebrated Columbus Day yesterday with a post suggesting that “American girls” are too weak-minded to deserve college educations.
Price’s misogyny is nothing new, but what, you may wonder, is the connection to Columbus Day? Well, you see, Price ran across a column in the Daily Nebraskan by a female student named Shelby Fleig that was, well, rather critical of Mr. Columbus, pointing out, among other things, that he kidnapped and enslaved many of those he encountered in the Americas.
Fleig’s piece is a tad simplistic at times — at one point it says that when Columbus arrived in the Americas he encountered a “civilization close to 14,000 years old,” which is just plain wrong; there were people in the Americas around 14,000 years ago, but there were no civilizations anywhere on earth that far back. Still, the piece certainly reflects reality far more closely than anything you’ll find on The Spearhead on any given day.
To Price, though, the column is such an unpatriotic abomination that he considers it evidence that education is wasted on women. No, really.
Little Ms. Fleig certainly has it in for her forefathers, but is it really her fault? Probably not. She, like most other college girls, is simply parroting what’s been fed to her by her profs. Girls are good at that, which is why teachers like them so much — they’re easy.
If you’re the father of an American girl, is this really what you want your daughter to absorb over the course of four years? Does it add any value whatsoever to the family or to the nation?
I’m not sure what specifically Price is objecting to about Fleig’s account — aside from its mild profanity (the word “bullshit”) and its less-than-reverential tone towards an icon of American history. But he offers no rebuttal, perhaps because he really can’t. While Fleig may be a bit ahistorical in her judgment of Columbus, it’s a fact that he kidnapped and enslaved hundreds of natives and committed other atrocities. It’s a fact that he paved the way for conquest and genocide. History isn’t pretty.
But Price is only getting started, telling fathers of “American girls” that
Your money would be much better spent sending her to sewing or baking school. Let’s face it: Ms. Fleig isn’t going to discover the cure for cancer. Despite being an attractive young woman, she isn’t going to colonize Mars, either (at her size, she’d be too expensive to launch out of the Earth’s atmosphere).
Yep, he goes there. No manosphere screed is complete without a bit of gratuitous fat-shaming.
In all likelihood, the best she could hope for is a nonprofit or government job fully funded by her father’s and brother’s tax bills.
Because girls can’t handle real jobs. Because jobs at nonprofits or with the government aren’t real jobs. Because nonprofits are funded entirely by the government. And because only men pay taxes.
And yet she represents 60% of college students. What an enormous, unsustainable waste. It’s impolitic to point it out, but from a cost-benefit point of view, in most cases higher education is entirely wasted on women, and as in Ms. Fleig’s case is often counterproductive.
So that’s Price’s thoughtful and logical rebuttal to Fleig’s article: a post that addresses none of her arguments, posits the natural inferiority of women, and attacks her for her apparent weight.
Let’s see what the highly erudite Spearhead readers have to say about it in the comments.
Gender Foreigner suggests that women, born to obey, are simply obeying the wrong people:
Women don’t know how to think: they know how to obey. So, let’s tell them what to do. What they lack is MEN to obey instead of girls to obey. Barefoot, pregnant in the kitchen, obeying masculine will. As long as they do that they will feign civility.
Dire Badger, for his part, acknowledges that Columbus did a lot of terrible things, but argues that this doesn’t matter because reasons. He also uses profanity, though Price doesn’t step in to rebuke him for that.
[I]n the end, individual racial and cultural atrocities mean NOTHING the moment the last person that witnessed them dies…. but things like achievements in literature, art, science… the true immortality that keeps building as part of a cultural intellectual inheritance. The only meaning that such atrocities have is to teach us NOT TO DO THEM AGAIN. Anything else is beating the dead victim horse for no benefit whatsoever, and merely punishes the people that had NOTHING to do with the original atrocity.
In short, columbus opened up america for expansion. He sailed the ocean blue in a way that hadn’t been achieved for nearly 400 years since the vikings.
As for the rest? FUCK YOU. Get over it already, you pussy.
In a followup comment, he adds:
Columbus rediscovered America by a monumental navigational goofup… funny story… What he did afterwards doesn’t concern me except as an object lesson. I honor the accomplishment but have no reason to diminish it by sorrow over a bunch of people who would still be more than 400 years dead if Columbus had never existed.
Schlomo, meanwhile, is mad at Fleig for not blaming Columbus’ mom for the whole thing:
What irks me is that feminists constantly blame only men– and then mostly white men– for all evil in the world. They don’t look at women’s roles in raising boys to be exploiters; or in bedding “bad boys” (thus rewarding their brutality); or in serving as Nazi prison guards, etc.
White females helped run plantations in the Old South and ran them alone during the Civil War. Ergo, it’s a lie that gals are innately “better” than guys. After all, they became queens of men feminists now demonize… and sometimes were the evil-incarnate leaders of countries themselves.
Nowhere, of course, do feminists praise men for the creating the Magna Carta or washing machines or hi-fi systems. No kudos, either, for males who wiped out polio and provided potable water. Also, no credit for inventing penicillin or making cars safer. Always and everywhere feminists blame-blame-blame. You never hear them collectively apologize for THEIR shite, like their hysterical historical foresisters’ White Feather campaigns… or sleeping with the enemy.
Where is the condemnation of Sacagawea for helping Whitey conquer her “people”?
It’s like domestic violence: fembots never talk about the equal evil women do.
Wilson, meanwhile, decides that Fleig is the truly evil one, not Columbus, based on a bunch of TRUE FACTS about her he’s pulled from his own posterior:
Conquest through genocide is not actually immoral, since there is no “social contract” being violated, though the greed of it may be questionable. Fleig would support a genocide against whites, so she is in no position to judge anyway, and her motivations–spite, malice, nihilism, betrayal–are much more evil than Columbus’s straightforward and productive ambition
But Fleig does have one defender amongst the Spearhead regulars, a fella named Dragnet, who happily declares that “corn-fed” gals like her please his penis. No, really, that’s his argument.
Being from the Midwest myself, I find her buxom, corn-fed heft absolutely delightful. I have had more than a few liaisons with her similarly endowed Midwestern sisters–to this day my manhood rises in salute.
What I wouldn’t give for more women on the east coast to be built like Miss Fleig. There’s a well-built, fulsome hardiness to the women of the Midwest that you really don’t find out East. God bless them all.
Well, I’m glad these superior-brained, independent-minded men have put us all straight on these important historical issues.
“And it’s Relaxation in the lead, Productivity is struggling, it’s a one-horse race!”
Heh, I have the opposite problem with pants; I can never find ones long enough! I feel like if you’re plus-sized, but big in basically every dimension, you can never find anything that fits right; everything’s either for supermodels or for people who are shorter than you… Apparently only skinny people have long legs D:<
Basically, from all this kvetching, I think the fashion industry just needs to get their shit together; clearly they're not maximizing their consumer base!
Clothes are really such a pain, tho. I was saying to my husband earlier that if I didn’t love them so much, I’d move to a warmer climate and be a nudist; it’d be way less troublesome!
(TMI: He was on board with this proposal except for the living-somewhere-else part, btw.)
I really fucking hate it when women are described as “easy.” v_v
Just an anecdote: I had the cutest co-worker for a long time; she was petite but voluptuous, is the best I can describe. She used to order occasionally order things online and have them shipped to work because they’d be stolen at her house. One day a pair of boots arrived, and the foot part was perfect, but she couldn’t zip them up over her calves. She said, “I’m too cute for these boots!” and it was so adorable we all cracked up. I miss her.
@dustydeste, We have the same feet! I have found that often I can fit into a 10 in a wider shoe, but mostly it’s 11s for me. I interned with a former Zappos employee, and she hooked me up with their free premium service, where all shipping is overnight and free, and I have to say it’s been a total godsend (FSMsend?).
Oh, and Price? Fuck him. I haven’t cured cancer, but I gave a free consultation to some folks at my University who ARE curing cancer, and saved them a fuck-ton of time and aggravation in how they were organizing their databases. They sent me a really nice thank you note about how much I helped them. MOST people don’t cure cancer. It takes teams of people to cure cancer. I’ve helped the cause of curing cancer more than Price ever will, and I suspect I’m not the only one here who has.
Yeah, cancer-bustin’ high-five for you, cloudiah! (I haven’t helped cure cancer myself, but props to people who have!)
Zappos doesn’t ship to Canada anymore (Damn you, US, hogging all the useful online companies! There are a lot of, erm,
adult toy companiesdistributors of other things that only ship to the US as well, much to my eternal dismay…), but a lot of people here rent P.O. boxes in Washington, so I could probably get someone to receive boots for me. We almost went that route with our rice cooker, but then Amazon.ca got the one we wanted in stock. Alternatively, there’s always shipping to my parents and getting it eventually, I suppose.I missed it!!
A kangaroo just went down our street. Did I see it? No, not me. I just heard all the other excited folks talking about it.
Still, we used to get koalas in our old street – esp during the drought, they’d come down out of the hills to get some decent feed from street and park trees.
(Points up)
I am childishly delighted by this comment. It’s the mental image of one of the neighbors pottering around in the garden, or making a cup of tea and looking out the window, only to see a giant marsupial hopping down the street just minding its own business.
W.F. Price is the one who is weak minded, not mention ignorant.
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“Little Ms. Fleig certainly has it in for her forefathers, but is it really her fault? Probably not. She, like most other college girls, is simply parroting what’s been fed to her by her profs. Girls are good at that, which is why teachers like them so much — they’re easy.
If you’re the father of an American girl, is this really what you want your daughter to absorb over the course of four years? Does it add any value whatsoever to the family or to the nation?”
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Yes, but of course, women should blindly believe everything MRA’s says because parroting what MRAs like him say, is “critical thinking.” People like him, make me sick.
Everyone should be able to look out their windows and see giant marsupials hopping down the street.
Also, MRAs can’t spell the word “speech.”
More of W.F. Price’s stupidity, I feel the urge to power own
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“Conquest through genocide is not actually immoral, since there is no “social contract” being violated, though the greed of it may be questionable. Fleig would support a genocide against whites, so she is in no position to judge anyway, and her motivations–spite, malice, nihilism, betrayal–are much more evil than Columbus’s straightforward and productive ambition”
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So I guess you wouldn’t consider it immoral if things had been the other way around, and the Native Americans had been the technologically advanced ones, and had invaded Europe and decimated most of the population? Also, if technologically advanced extraterrestrials arrive tomorrow, I really hope they don’t share your morality.
Oh, and another thing, I don’t know much about Fleig, but I sincerely doubt that she would support genocide against anyone, including whites.
And um one more thing, W.F. Price, are you one of those people who thinks that “Anti racist” Is “anti white?”
Cloudiah
Assuming that’s real, that guy belonging to the “Patriarchy Party” really didn’t research the history of the Patriarchy. Societies far more like the nightmare he describes actually existed and have existed, and still do. Just becouse men have claimed to be protecting women, didn’t mean they weren’t mistreating women. If wants to actually bring that about, he’s truly a misogynist monster.
By the way, we should make a video that makes fun of the MRA movement, similar to this one that makes fun of the EDL. I don’t have the means to do it, but David Futile might be able to make one.
EDL Advert Explains Their True Message And Core Beliefs (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/11/edl-advert-spoof_n_3421178.html
I thoroughly approve of kangaroos hopping down all streets in Australia.
This isn’t what Australia is normally like???
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fb/98/9f/fb989f853bde73fc61207a7524a82e95.jpg
Oy, who’s been cross-breeding moose and kangaroos?
Mind you the car on fire does look like the scene in some of our more feral towns.
Conquest through genocide is not actually immoral, since there is no “social contract” being violated, though the greed of it may be questionable.
This was an argument made by Ayn Rand, in case you needed further evidence that she was one of the worst people ever to live. Come to think of it, Rand didn’t question the greed of it, being generally a big fan of greed, so Ayn Rand may actually have been a worse person than a Spearhead commentator.
My poor research advisor… Every single one of his grad students at this point in time are female. I bet he wouldn’t have taken us on if he knew we’d never contribute anything to chemistry!
That also explains my poor luck at trying to develop an efficient method of pH dependent chemical release! My extra X chromosome is clearly confusing the chemical system somehow… It’s not like there are other possible factors my advisor and I might not have considered that account for this behavior.
Chemicals always do exactly what male chemists expect them to do! Until females get ahold of them.
Another person who doesn’t think Native Americans exist: http://notalwaysright.com/who-needs-history-when-you-have-hollywood/834
What I always find hilarious / fascinating about this type of person is that they love to think that Columbus would have supported them as they are white and male and therefore this friend an equal. Right?
riiight?
Problem is that if he were to be born in that person he likely would have ended up as a soldier and if anything is apparent from history its that to a conqueror, all his soldiers are pawns and dirt as much as the natives are. That’s the mind of a conqueror.
What Im trying to say is that they claim women ” parrot ” what is told to them and yet: They adopt the ideology of those that would have seen them as little more than dust at their feet.
He… he does realise that makes men ‘the enemy’, right?
Typo fix : Problem is that if he were to be born in that Era
I don’t even know what to make of these guys.
I live off my OWN money. And I have for awhile…………I certainly don’t need or want a man telling me what to do. I’m independent and thats the way I like it. I didn’t need my daddy to encourage me to go to college, or get a job or pay my bills. And my mother was the one who gave me most of the support I got in college. And *gasp* she didn’t need MY daddies or HER daddies money to do so.
I bet these guys would be surprised to find out that their “little guy” saluting me isn’t something I give a $#!t about. Guys are always telling me what they think of my appearance with no prompting (negative and positive remarks).
I’m a 10.5 in shoe size (I’m 5’9”).
Ha! You’re tiny! I’m 170 cm, that’s pretty average for a Swede I think. I have 37-38 in shoes and have no idea what that would be in your foreign sizes. Husband teases me for having baby feet, but he’s 187 cm and size 43 in shoes so…
Looks like that’s about a 6.5-7.5 for you and a 9 for him. So yep, small feet by US standards (though not by much in your case)
And I’m 162~ cm.
Also, KANGAROO!!
@Chtulhu’s Intern
I could not resist responding as you did to these Spearhead knuckleheads. What would the darn editor Price ( I think he is the editor of The Spearhead) say to my situation which I am at home with 2 kids while my wife is out and working on her career to support the family? By the way Mr. Price and your MRA cohorts I as a male have a BA with a a double major in Sociology and minor Anthropology. My wife the half female who I met in college majored in Business Management and is out and about working for a Fortune 500 corporation. What do you think about that Mr. Price and your inane stereotypes?
Our situation works well in fact Mr Price since I am planing on going to graduate school and have worked various part time minimum wage jobs such at my local supermarket stocking shelves shelves just to help keep up with the bills.
At this point given my wife just landed a descent paying job I am now a full time Daddy. I take care of the home and our 2 young children while my wife is the breadwinner. I realize now even more as I am now in it, how difficult it is to be a full time stay at home mom or dad. The responsibilities of overseeing the children and various domestic duties is worth a salary that executives in corporations get. The stupid thing is how MRA’s do not consider overseeing a household and kids as any type of deserving work.
Probably most these MRA have never been married so they do not know how difficult it is to manage a household. It could also be how they were raised I guess. I know I as a male who is involved in role that traditionally has been expected of females am grateful for my Mom.
She worked as a School Principal for many years and raised me in a feminist environment. She taught mediligently how to iron, clean, cook, etc. and expected chores to be done by me. She is so delighted to this day how my wife and I have worked our sex/gender roles out.
I just assume most of these idiotic close minded MRA ‘s were raised in either misogynistic environments or more traditionally conservative environments.