So over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, a fella named dzogen came by to vent about his unfair divorce.
Seems his “freeloader and loser” of an ex-wife — a former drug addict — sits around the house eating bon bons while happily collecting $2500 a month in child support for the five year old kid they had together. Also, she treats him with disrespect. “Meanwhile,” the poor fella wrote, for an added dose of pathos, “I have to survive on PB&J.”
*cough*shitthatneverhappened*cough*
Dzogen ended his post with a wish, and a bit of advice for the rest of the guys reading his tale of woe:
I can only hope karma will get her in the end as I have no options to address the fact that legally men have to bend over and take it by their ex’s, legally sanctioned by anti-success, anti-male laws.
My moral of story: Don’t ever get married. It’s a bad deal for men.
Naturally, the helpful fellas of the Men’s Rights subreddit stepped in with some suggestions for how poor Dzogen could improve his sad life. Naturally, there were those who suggested that he (and the other men who shared their own stories of divorce gone wrong) flee the country “and leave her worthless ass high and dry.”(Just load up the comments there and do a find on the page for the word “leave” to find many more.)
But there were others with more, erm, direct suggestions. Like Justin here:
Huh. A dozen upvotes for a literal call for murder.
And then there was this exchange, in which a comment advocating murder received not one but two dozen upvotes, and those who criticized it got downvotes:
![cleetdog101 24 points 14 hours ago (41|17) Whats her drug of choice? If its coke, smack or crank, you could always look to spike her fix. Not that difficult - Next thing you know - you have the kid and an extra $2,500 a month. permalink source parent save give gold hide child comments [–]Redundantgaming 0 points 3 hours ago (1|1) No half measures. Only full measures. permalink source save parent give gold [–]fuckingidiotjunky -2 points 12 hours ago (6|8) I can't believe this is upvoted permalink source save parent give gold [–]thegreatbeyond50 4 points 11 hours ago (9|5) There's not alot of things that would drive me to want to murder someone. Completely destroying my life would be one of them. permalink source save parent give gold [–]Mythandros -3 points 10 hours ago (9|12) That's pretty dark, dude. Resorting to murder? Even implied as a joke, that's just in bad taste. Are you sure you belong here? Because I'm not sure that you do. Please leave, I don't want people like you, who encourage the most deplorable of acts posting on a board that is supposed to be about positive change and support to those who need it. You taint /r/mensrights by being here. permalink source save parent give gold [–]lIllIlIIlIlI 5 points 10 hours ago (11|6) Who died and made you king of morality?](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/mrdeletedmurder.png?resize=532%2C513&ssl=1)
This particular exchange has since been deleted by Reddit admins or the subreddit’s mods.
But numerous other calls for murder remain up as of this writing, including Justin’s comment above, and this one from Kappies10:
This one from Pecanpig:
This one from the cheerily named HoneyPuffBear:
This delicately worded suggestion from eloquentlnemesis:
Oh, and this one from Skyrimnewb, although it isn’t literally a call for murder:
The Men’s Rights subreddit: A place good men in trouble men with fake stories can turn to for help suggestions to kill the bitch.
Thanks to the good folks of the Against Men’s Rights subreddit for pointing me to this thread and most of the terrible quotes here.
I think it means you don’t have dry skin, which I’m sure is misandry, somehow.
Ah, I didn’t realize that was supposed to be an image of a girl on a computer screen. Now it makes sense.
Wonderful to see MRAs defending child porn.
Do they ever not? Unless it’s their own kids in which case those girls need to be locked in the basement and never go outside! And if anything happens it was prolly their fault anyway.
Pedophilia: Officially just like circumcision for medical or cultural reasons.(?!???)
The skin cream she is using reads “prepared from the foreskin fibroblasts of newborn babies.” So, he is trying to say the older woman using skin cream is a hypocrite for using a product made from foreskins? That she’s worse than the pedophile next door (seems like he’s excusing the pedophilia; sets it up to seem like the 14 year old is willfully agreeing to the act; and she looks “more mature” than her age). This is pretty disgusting.
oh, I didn’t see the skin cream jar said that. well, I still say WTF.
It’s pretty difficult to say that the comic makes the case for feminist hypocrisy when there’s no indication that the woman in the comic is a feminist and when MRAs demonstrably do care more about circumcision than about adult men exploiting girls.
One brand of skin cream does use fibroblasts (cells found in connective tissue) from foreskins. They are taken from foreskins because, since male circumcision is still common, they’re a handy source. These same fibroblasts are also used to grow new skin for burn victims, and for other research purposes.
People aren’t circumcising their babies to sell the foreskins for profit; people are circumcising their babies and then the hospital is selling the foreskins.
Source.
How many face creams would even use them? The article mentions SkinMedica, which is outrageously expensive; I’m guessing your run-of-the-mill creams wouldn’t use such ingredients. (I hope not, ‘cos eww.)
I much prefer the creams that use dudebro tears, anyway.
Okay, so I opted to jump down the rabbit hole again, and yes, there is an actual use of foreskin fibroblasts to make skin cream (and other products, including skin-grafts for burn patients). Specifically, the foreskins are treated to grow skin grafts. This creates human growth hormones as a by-product. These are then used (sans actual skin cells) as an ingredient in beauty products.
Article for those interested: http://thetyee.ca/Views/2007/01/30/Foreskin/
Apparently, one brand of this stuff got praised by Oprah, so, you know, black woman talking about something MUST be evil, right?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/12/oprah-foreskin-protests-cream_n_3068851.html (The cream they’re protesting here? All the cultures are derived from a single foreskin that’s over twenty years old. So the notion that they’re somehow perpetuating the circumcision market is… a bit daft, at best.)
I knew I shoulda checked for ninjas. Well done, Cloudiah.
Tell ’em that and they’ll be screaming that a twenty-year-old man was circumcised for the purpose.
But…why would foreskin cream make you a pedophile? Are they suggesting that the woman is getting sexual pleasure from the knowledge that her moisturizer was made from baby penis byproducts? Admittedly that would be pretty messed up…
I realize it’s rude to ask for someone’s monthly income, but to make his case this guy really needs to include it so that we can tell if he’s being treated unfairly.
Even at the highest % a judge tends to order (40%), he would be coming away with almost $4000 a month for himself. That’s almost $47,000 a year. It’s not wealthy, but it’s not exactly poverty. It’s around three times the amount the average person living on minimum wage makes. He’s not gonna be driving around in the back of limos throwing money at passersby, but it’s pretty manageable if you do it right WITHOUT resorting to PB&J.
I’m just so grossed out by this idea that child support is so unreasonable. It’s your child ffs. You really don’t care if your child is starving because it means you can’t afford a sweet, pimped out bachelor pad? Get your priorities straight.
Ok, my PB&J period? I was getting $444 monthly from unemployment, with $300 rent. And when I could get to a proper grocery store, eating proper food. Now, I’m single, besides the fish, and besides a need for internet and a habit of collecting clutter, I could go spartan, but yeah, less than $150 a month to survive on.
My sympathies, he does not have them.
Oh and that’s why my psych being all “but SSI only pays $600!” pisses me off. I did that without food stamps (my living quarters weren’t exactly legal), I’m getting nearly $200 a month in food stamps, that plus SSI would be rich by my standards. (And this folks is why I know that mango juice covers the bite of cheap vodka!)
It’s funny to me that the redditors reading his coolstory didn’t see the amount of child support he claims to pay and immediately think “holy shit, he must make a ton of money’. $2600/month??
Methinks he perhaps didn’t think his coolstory all the way through.
Redditors can be really gullible when it’s convenient.
Maybe if women weren’t allowed to enslave men this wouldn’t be a problem. I’m surprised it doesn’t actually happen more often.
“Allowed” to “enslave” men,
This is a joke comment. Right?
Well, of course, it’s not natural – men are the only natural enslavers /sarcasm
Surprised men don’t kill women more often, or joke about it more often? Cuz there are plenty of jokes and a third of murdered women where killed by current/former male partners…
So um, no, not funny.
I think somebody doesn’t understand what enslave means…
(Hint: having a child, then being expected to support that child? That isn’t it.)