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Oops! Roosh V’s #FatShamingWeek rallies Fat Acceptance activists, makes fat shamers look like the dicks they are

Rubens: Not into fat shaming
Rubens: Not into fat shaming

The gentlemen bloggers of the Manosphere — particularly those obsessed with pickup artistry, a.k.a. “game” — like to pretend that they’re part of some sort of reactionary intellectual renaissance. Indeed, some have even convinced themselves that they’re part of a new “dark enlightenment.”

These intellectual pretensions are undercut rather thoroughly by the often puerile content of their blogs, in particular the bloggers’ obsession with cheap insults of the “yeah, well, you’re a fattie who can’t get laid” variety. Indeed, sometimes this seems to be their only real response to their many critics.

Some of these “dark enlightenment” intellectuals have discovered that crude, cheap, offensive insults garner more attention from the wider world than their sad attempts at serious philosophy. Witness some of Matt Forney’s dumb, attention-seeking provocations aimed at “fat girls” and female self-esteem.

Now “game” guru Roosh Valizadeh has decided to gin up some pageviews by launching a week-long assault on fatties, which began on Monday. In a post on his Return of Kings blog announcing the start of “Fat Shaming Week,” Roosh argues, with the utmost insincerity, that this is a public-minded intervention designed to make the world a better place:

We at ROK fully understand that the reason women are so against fat shaming is because it works. Mocking someone for lazy and slothful behavior is one of the best ways to motivate them to change and appear more pleasing before our presence. If a fat woman goes to the bar with attitude, thinking she’s a great catch, but several men check her for that arrogance by calling her a grenade launcher, do you think she’ll feel comfortable the next day for her scheduled cupcake and ice cream binge?

Even setting aside the fact of Roosh’s extreme assholery, this is simply not true. Fat shaming doesn’t work. In fact, as a recent study by Angelina Sutin at the Florida State University College of Medicine in Tallahassee found, it can actually lead to weight gain. Looking at data from more than 6000 participants in the nationally representative longitudinal Health and Retirement Study, Sutin found that

Participants who experienced weight discrimination were approximately 2.5 times more likely to become obese by follow-up … and participants who were obese at baseline were three times more likely to remain obese at follow up … than those who had not experienced such discrimination. These effects held when controlling for demographic factors (age, sex, ethnicity, education) … .

She concludes:

The present research demonstrates that, in addition to poorer mental health outcomes, weight discrimination has implications for obesity. Rather than motivating individuals to lose weight, weight discrimination increases risk for obesity.

In other words, fat shaming makes people feel like shit, and it causes them to gain weight, not lose it. This is obvious to anyone who thinks about the subject for more than a few seconds: after all, we live in a society in which fat shaming is ubiquitous, and rates of obesity continue to rise.

But of course Roosh isn’t really interested in making anyone’s life better except his own. Indeed, it’s fairly clear that what’s really motivating his little campaign is a desire for revenge on the women who have turned him down over the years. He more or less comes out and says it:

Hurting people’s feelings is the quickest way to get them to change, as any man who has been rejected by women can tell you (we can get laid today only because we’ve adapted to being shamed and punished for our appearance and beta male behavior over the course of many years).

Huh. Does Roosh really want to create a world full of bitter, angry women who are essentially female equivalents of him, using and manipulating men for their own pleasure without remorse?

Well, no. I’m sure he didn’t think it through that far. He just wanted an excuse to post a bunch of crap making fun of fat women.

So what sort of public spirited content did Roosh offer his readers during Fat Shaming Week?

A post urging men to take unflattering pictures of fat women without their permission — and post them on Twitter in order to shame them.

A post, evidently inspired by Matt Forney’s “Why Fat Girls Don’t Deserve to Be Loved,” titled “5 Reasons Fat Girls Don’t Deserve Love.” In it, semiliterate dating coach Christian McQueen explains, among other things, that “fat girls” smell (because “[i]t’s impossible to be that fucking fat and be able to wash your ass properly”), are bad at sex (because he cannot find their vaginas “unless I roll you around in flower [sic] and look for the wet spot”), and eat too much. He concludes:

Your fatness is the human version of a dead hippo, a beached whale, or to put it more bluntly, a human size cupcake: spongy on the outside, round and full of crap.

Really? Where exactly are you buying your cupcakes, dude, because normally cupcakes are delicious.

Another “humorous” post compares “fatties” with wild animals and suggests ways to kill them if you’re the victim of a “fatty attack.” Douglas writes:

Fatties tend to have poor hygiene habits so physical contact can be unsanitary. Their physiology provides many unique difficulties to overcome. Their thick skull is an effective counter to blows to the head. Their bulk is a good defense against projectile weapons. While big game cartridges such as .300 Winchester magnum and .338 Lapua can put a fatty down, a man would have a difficult time explaining to a grand jury why he was packing such a weapon outside of Africa.

“Emmanuel Goldstein” contributes “5 Ways To Bully Fat Sluts On A Date,” full of hilarious suggestions like “Go Bike-Riding Together” (because fatties can’t ride bikes!), “Go For A Hike Together,” (because fatties hate to walk!) and “Go Ice Skating Together” (because she’ll fall through the ice!).

There are several more “fat shaming week” posts up; they’re equally puerile.

Roosh and his pals have also taken their campaign to Twitter, posting such gems as these, using the hashtag #fatshamingweek.:

https://twitter.com/Beppo_Venerdi/status/387635431283515392

https://twitter.com/RealCMcQueen/status/388494710580326400

https://twitter.com/Feisty_Woman/status/388458961705250816

https://twitter.com/EsotericTrad/status/388331081344487425

Even Tom Leykis, the semi-popular radio misogynist, has gotten into the act:

Happily, the hashtag has been pretty much taken over by feminists and fat acceptance activists and other people countering the douchebaggery of Roosh et al.

And the only real media coverage the campaign has gotten — from Buzzfeed and The Daily Dot — has focused on the sheer douchebaggery of the fat shamers.

So it seems that the main effect of Fat Shaming Week has actually been to advance the cause of Fat Acceptance, not to undermine it.

Brilliant, dudes. Just brilliant.

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SittieKitty
7 years ago

Weird thing: I never got carded until I was too old to be carded… The age that they say they’ll card you at is 25 in stores here, and I was never carded until after I’d turned 26…

SittieKitty
7 years ago

it’s probably the idea that women only wear makeup because they don’t like their faces.

Speaking of… I cannot articulate what is wrong with this article, but I feel like it’s seriously flawed. Anyone better with words have any ideas? It’s been really bugging me that I can’t articulate why I dislike it…

kittehserf
7 years ago

Halfway through the first part of that article and the first thing that grossed me out was the “whose genitals you want to lick” – way to lose your audience, alleged psychiatrist.

There’s also the assumption that everyone is interested in other people sexually, whether they’re admitting it or not. Hello, I don’t want to look good for men or women; I do look good to the one person who cares. By this argument, we can’t wear clothes we like, either, without being dishonest or something.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

And with the article’s title the fail begins…

kittehserf
7 years ago

Another thing: this whole article is just word salad. I can’t even figure out wtf they’re trying to say in half their sentences.

And this was just laughably stupid/ baffling:

How would you like to live in a world where men had to wear make up? “Oh, I love make up on a guy, especially eyeliner.” Of course you do, you’re having a stroke. Ask it this way: how would you like to be in a world where men said,” oh, I feel so much better about myself when I’m wearing makeup.” You’d run for the nearest totalitarian regime.

What’s that bullshit about having a stroke? Why would I run away from men who said they feel better wearing makeup? What a fucking stupid piece of rubbish this article is. Can’t have women even thinking they do something to please themselves, oh no. It’s all got to be about the menz.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

How would you like to live in a world where men had to wear make up? “Oh, I love make up on a guy, especially eyeliner.” Of course you do, you’re having a stroke. Ask it this way: how would you like to be in a world where men said,” oh, I feel so much better about myself when I’m wearing makeup.” You’d run for the nearest totalitarian regime.

For someone who’s spent a good part of their life immersed in the goth, visual kei, and glam rock subcultures this is like reading dispatches from another planet. Also, fun fact! Shiseido makes foundation for men.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

SittieKitty – I’m reading it, and this is what I’m coming up with”

– It’s upholding a gender role by saying that “men wearing makeup is wrong”. Quote: “How would you like to live in a world where men had to wear make up? “Oh, I love make up on a guy, especially eyeliner.” Of course you do, you’re having a stroke. Ask it this way: how would you like to be in a world where men said,” oh, I feel so much better about myself when I’m wearing makeup.” You’d run for the nearest totalitarian regime.”

– It presumes that everything a woman does is for men, and that women have absolutely no choices in the matter. It presupposes that if women choose to wear makeup it’s for a dude, and if a woman chooses to NOT wear makeup, it’s ALSO for a dude.

– “WHAT ABOUT THE MENZZZZZZZZ!” vibe. Quote: “I think the answer is supposed to be, “it’s empowering to women”, but you should wonder: when more women enter a field, it means less men did, and if the men stopped going there, where did they go? Why did they leave? I assume they aren’t home with the kids, right?”

– More gender stereotyping, in order to imply that the only reason things change is because men let them change, and that any improvements in the well-being of women is because of dudes. Quote: “This works in reverse, too, take a field traditionally XX-only, like nursing, and, huh, what do you know– at the time where nursing is more powerful than it has ever been, there are also more XY in it than ever. But who made it more powerful? It wasn’t nurses. And if you’re playing that game, ask if the reason “sexy nurses” as a fetish dropped out somewhere around the 90s had nothing to do with females finally getting control over their sexualization but exactly the opposite, men came in and unsexualized the joint.”

– It basically implies that as soon as a woman comes by and plays the same game, all the men don’t want to play anymore, and all a woman wants is power, power, and more power. But power only comes from dudes, and hence women fuck everything over.

In other words, it’s a “men do everything for women, women can’t do anything themselves, the only reason women get anywhere is because of a dude”. It’s akin to the “men hunted the mammoth for you ladies”.

Does that help?

kittehserf
7 years ago

I mean: how does this jackass explain people who loathe the idea of sexually attracting other people in general, regardless of gender, but wear makeup?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Can we get TMI for a minute. I like putting eyeliner on men. As in, REALLY like.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Alice – great takedown.

I wonder how this loser would account for all the cultures, apart from the subcultures today, where makeup for men was a thing? Might make their little head asplode.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

kittehserf – “Oh, you subconsciously want to do it for a dude! It’s nature, damn it!”

kittehserf
7 years ago

Cassandra – whoo, that’s a TMI idea I like! (The putting-on, not who’s doing it, I mean.)

kittehserf
7 years ago

Alice – LOL I wonder what herpaderp shrink would feel if he* knew The Dude would be just as happy if I didn’t wear makeup? I don’t wear it at Home, that’s for sure.

*assuming Writerus Idioticus is a bloke, too lazy to look for a byline

katz
7 years ago

Well, the first obvious nonsense in that article is this:

So while pretending this was some kind of debate with contrasting opinions, all of them had the same opinion, which should automatically signal to you it is the wrong one.

For the love of god. If the question was “Is slavery wrong?” would he go “Everyone agreed that slavery is wrong! Obviously slavery is therefore right!”? He’s clearly an attention troll who’s fixated in the special-snowflake “if everyone hates my opinion, that’s because they can’t handle the truth” mentality.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

When you get a bit further down it turns into boilerplate antifeminist babble, Jessica Valenti is the anti-Christ and so on. Not worth trying to analyze, really.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

Excellent Alice! Thank you.

It presumes that everything a woman does is for men, and that women have absolutely no choices in the matter.

This, so much, out of everything, is what bugged me.

I mean, the article is pretty bad in general, but it was just very confusing and I couldn’t figure out how to word it… especially since there are things on that person’s blog I don’t mind, but it was just so… yeah. It really really bugged me when I first read it and I couldn’t think of anything to say but that it was super misogynist.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

kittehs – Well, I don’t wear make up most of the time, out of choice and laziness, so… 😛

katz
7 years ago

I’m still trying to figure out why I’m having a stroke.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Because of excessive arousal, possibly? I mean, I did mention that I really like eyeliner on men.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I guess it’s the super hardcore version of saying that someone was so hot looking at them gave you a nosebleed.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

I sometimes like makeup, I sometimes don’t, but I like it because I like the way it looks, or doesn’t look… not because someone else does… I really just don’t understand his whole premise I guess. I don’t understand the idea behind it, I don’t understand why gender essentialism, ijdgi.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

SittieKitty – No problems. It’s really obnoxious, in the “women can’t do anything for themselves” kind of way. I swear the thesis really is “men are the center of the universe, and if you disagree with me, it’s because you’re a stupid woman who doesn’t know any better, now shut up and make me a sandwich, I know you want to”.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

katz – I’m reading it as “you’re too stupid, obviously the only person who likes makeup on dudes is really mentally “.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

DAMN IT. Should be [insert your choice of slur for people with mental disabilities here]

katz
7 years ago

Roughly speaking, any argument of the form “whether or not you should do a thing that doesn’t affect anyone but yourself is predicated on some other person or outside factor” is always going to be wrong. Doesn’t matter if he makes the most well-reasoned argument in the world, “I kinda felt like it” is still going to be a valid counterargument for why you in particular should do that thing that you felt like just then.

katz
7 years ago

katz – I’m reading it as “you’re too stupid, obviously the only person who likes makeup on dudes is really mentally “.

But…strokes don’t generally make you mentally ill.

And even if they did that wouldn’t change the kind of person you’re attracted to.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

I get mixed signals from this person too, because like I said, some articles aren’t bad, he is almost feminist in them. His whole Thing is that people create these identities for other people and spend an enormous amount of time trying to maintain it instead of just accepting who they are. Which, ya know, I agree is a good thing to not do. So I find it weird that he’s so sure that you can’t just like things…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

BB cream specifically for men is also a thing. Should we send links to the author? I can come up with some with men who are not in drag wearing sparkly eyeshadow too.

katz
7 years ago

His whole Thing is that people create these identities for other people and spend an enormous amount of time trying to maintain it instead of just accepting who they are.

But that’s literally the opposite of what he’s saying in that article. He’s saying that women should wear makeup for men and if they don’t they’re Doing It Wrong, and that all the other articles saying that women should decide for themselves (ie, accept who they are) are wrong.

kittehserf
7 years ago

He’s also assuming that all men are spending their whole time gawking at women (or at least, women in makeup). I’d be pretty sure they’re not. Most of the men I see are on the train: they’re either reading, staring out the window with/without earplugs, sleeping, or talking to someone. Apparently asexual, homosexual or just “not interested in staring at women/have better manners/aren’t fixated on makeup” guys don’t exist, for this twit.

I wear red-reducing foundation ‘cos rosacea. I haven’t the slightest idea whether anyone else even notices my rosacea, but I do and I’d rather not have those red patches. I use eyebrow pencil ‘cos it’s a damn sight easier and cheaper than getting my eyebrows dyed to match my hair. I wear mascara on my top lashes ‘cos my eyes are deep set (also the Travatan drops I use make my eyelashes thicker, so yay for glaucoma meds!).

I don’t want to be looked at by men, full stop. I’m not doing it for them. I want to be looked at by one man and I know I am, regardless of whether I’m made up or not.

Come to that, if I do notice a bloke looking at me for any length of time, my reaction is more like “Who the fuck do you think you’re staring at, creep?” than “Oh hooray, my makeup that he probably can’t even tell I’m wearing has caught his dudely attention! My life is complete!”

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

“Oh, I love make up on a guy, especially eyeliner.” Of course you do, you’re having a stroke.

It’s been a few years, but I look ~fabulous~ in eyeliner.
…Just sayin’.
#makingupforteenageshynesswithadultvanity

sarahlizhousespouse
7 years ago

I have met quite a few fellahs who liked to wear foundation, eyeliner, or lip gloss. What’s the problem?

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

katz – Of course they don’t, but strokes in your brain do kill of your brain tissue if you let it be untreated long enough, which is what I think the author was getting at: the only reason you’d think that men who have makeup on is hot is because you’re partially brain-dead.

But of course, I could be bullshtting. 😛

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

He’s also saying whatever he’s saying in a way that makes me want to confiscate his keyboard. Even Fidelbogen writes better than that.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Athywren – pics! 😉

(Not really, but hey, cool!)

kittehserf
7 years ago

auggz – and when we wear obvious makeup, well, duh, it’s obviously makeup, who’s going to be “deceived” by that?

Cassandra – seconding the motion to confiscate his keyboard. Talk about word salad drowned in the worst mayonnaise.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

Oh hey, Last Psychiatrist.

– It’s upholding a gender role by saying that “men wearing makeup is wrong”. Quote: “How would you like to live in a world where men had to wear make up? “Oh, I love make up on a guy, especially eyeliner.” Of course you do, you’re having a stroke. Ask it this way: how would you like to be in a world where men said,” oh, I feel so much better about myself when I’m wearing makeup.” You’d run for the nearest totalitarian regime.”</blockquote

I don't know about the rest of the article as such (It irked me), but the thrust of that soundbite is actually not… wrong and I will my opinion that it is not upholding anything. The important bit is the "had" – how would you like to live in a world where men had to wear make up? The joke about the stroke throws off the point. What “you” like about men isn’t actually the point (eyeliner or not)the point is that in this hypothethical, men have to wear make up. It’s now a social principle. And so men have to start wearing make up to feel better about themselves. When you ask the question: “DO men have to wear make up?”, what’ll the answer be? What changes? (Bonus round: “I like eyeliner on men” induces a stroke because of the cognitive dissoance, weren’t we just discussion how women don’t have to put on makeup just for men, so what about all those nice people who go on about how “I like women who shade their eyes and…”)

If any of that sounds particularly absurd, I can only kind of say that I have the same discussion where the wording goes:
“So do women have to wear make up?”
“I like eyeliner on women!”
“Yes, but I’m asking you if they *have* to wear it”
“I… I guess not. But sometimes they do to feel better about themselves, because they know people will judge them for not wearing make up or they won’t feel as good when they are not wearing make up. Also, I won’t talk to ’em if they don’t take care of the way they look”
“So they don’t have to, but you… kind of want them to, and will subtly enforce them to do so?”
“Yes! Wait, shit”

Look at all the MRA critique about women’s looks. We pretty much already live in a world where women have to wear make up to be considered… women. And if they don’t, they’re careless sluts who don’t care about their opinion (But of course, if they do, they’re manipulative sluts who do care.. or something)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Anyone dumb enough to be deceived by smoky-eye makeup deserves to be.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

My spidey sense knew there was makeup talk.

Can we get TMI for a minute. I like putting eyeliner on men. As in, REALLY like.

SQUEEEEE!!!! Sometimes Mr. HK lets me glam him up, I love it.

Overshare? Sorry not sorry.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

We pretty much already live in a world where women have to wear make up to be considered… women.

This is nonsense. I’ve never been misgendered in my entire life, and I go out without makeup all the time. Nobody has ever commented on it, or treated me oddly because of it.

katzentier
7 years ago

What a bunch of douchebags. Sure, there are medical conditions, where it is adviseable to lose weight (a type II diabetic might avoid having to take meds by losing weight and changing eating habits), but that’s not what these guys are talking about at all. AND doctors buy into a lot of cultural bullshit about fat people too and will assume all kind of negative things right away or won’t critisize a thin/normal sized person for bad eating habits.
And – as a lot of people pointed out – shaming does not work.

I lost about 13 pounds in the last year due to a chronical gastritis, because eating made me feel sick, so I’d not have a normal caloric intake anymore. I was nowhere near being overweigt before and am now closing in on (to BMI standards) being underweigh. And not only I find it fucking hard – because our culture is that messed up – to not regard this as a “positive sideeffect” a la, yeah, I feel kind of shitty and miserable, but at least I’m losing weight, but other people do not help either. I get this for people who don’t know about my condition (it’s still wrong, dont’ just go about assuming thin = good), but my Dad does that too and compliments me on the “new look”, even tough he knows it’s due to illness. Even tough I’m feeling weak, am getting tired more quickly and my hands shake a lot more than before, because on some days I’m just not getting enough calories.

tl;dr @unwarranted, idiotic compliments: I’m getting cookies for being ill, because it made me thinner.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

… Grarghag.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

This is nonsense. I’ve never been misgendered in my entire life, and I go out without makeup all the time. Nobody has ever commented on it, or treated me oddly because of it.

Oh.
Well it was a rather vague statement, and I guess my generalizations only really apply to my own circumstances and the people I talk to. Sorry, I assumed that was implied.
Good you don’t have to deal with idiots, though!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I mean, I kind of see what you might have been going for there, but the point is drowning in enough hyperbole to make a nice political party conference keynote speech.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

We pretty much already live in a world where women have to wear make up to be considered… women.

This is nonsense. I’ve never been misgendered in my entire life, and I go out without makeup all the time. Nobody has ever commented on it, or treated me oddly because of it.

I think institutionally the wearing makeup thing is something that “real” women are supposed to do. I don’t think it’s supposed to mean that anyone is misgendered so much as gender shamed on an institutional level?

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Kitteh, I thought the same, thus sending us both back to the corner of shame.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Overshare? Sorry not sorry.

In a thread in which STRENGTH already gifted us with cock shots?

(I did not click on his name, so thanks for whoever warned the rest of us.)

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

Why? That’s the point I was trying to make. I guess I did so badly.
I’ll try to rein in the hyperbole next time.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

katzentier – That sucks. 🙁

I think one of the things that really infuriated me was when my mother would complement me on losing weight. She’s called me fat on a few occasions, and when I got serious depression, I wasn’t in the mood to eat that much.

I was sorely depressed, utterly miserable as fuck, knew there was something wrong with me, and didn’t want to eat, and yet I’m getting compliments for looking thin. What the hell?

I wish society didn’t automatically think that thin=good, no matter how it’s attained. It’s shitty and it’s unhealthy and it’s just wrong.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Kitteh, I thought the same, thus sending us both back to the corner of shame.

It’s such a nice comfy corner, I missed being there. 😛

Is there such a thing as oversharing on this blog, when not done by trolls?