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Oops! Roosh V’s #FatShamingWeek rallies Fat Acceptance activists, makes fat shamers look like the dicks they are

Rubens: Not into fat shaming
Rubens: Not into fat shaming

The gentlemen bloggers of the Manosphere — particularly those obsessed with pickup artistry, a.k.a. “game” — like to pretend that they’re part of some sort of reactionary intellectual renaissance. Indeed, some have even convinced themselves that they’re part of a new “dark enlightenment.”

These intellectual pretensions are undercut rather thoroughly by the often puerile content of their blogs, in particular the bloggers’ obsession with cheap insults of the “yeah, well, you’re a fattie who can’t get laid” variety. Indeed, sometimes this seems to be their only real response to their many critics.

Some of these “dark enlightenment” intellectuals have discovered that crude, cheap, offensive insults garner more attention from the wider world than their sad attempts at serious philosophy. Witness some of Matt Forney’s dumb, attention-seeking provocations aimed at “fat girls” and female self-esteem.

Now “game” guru Roosh Valizadeh has decided to gin up some pageviews by launching a week-long assault on fatties, which began on Monday. In a post on his Return of Kings blog announcing the start of “Fat Shaming Week,” Roosh argues, with the utmost insincerity, that this is a public-minded intervention designed to make the world a better place:

We at ROK fully understand that the reason women are so against fat shaming is because it works. Mocking someone for lazy and slothful behavior is one of the best ways to motivate them to change and appear more pleasing before our presence. If a fat woman goes to the bar with attitude, thinking she’s a great catch, but several men check her for that arrogance by calling her a grenade launcher, do you think she’ll feel comfortable the next day for her scheduled cupcake and ice cream binge?

Even setting aside the fact of Roosh’s extreme assholery, this is simply not true. Fat shaming doesn’t work. In fact, as a recent study by Angelina Sutin at the Florida State University College of Medicine in Tallahassee found, it can actually lead to weight gain. Looking at data from more than 6000 participants in the nationally representative longitudinal Health and Retirement Study, Sutin found that

Participants who experienced weight discrimination were approximately 2.5 times more likely to become obese by follow-up … and participants who were obese at baseline were three times more likely to remain obese at follow up … than those who had not experienced such discrimination. These effects held when controlling for demographic factors (age, sex, ethnicity, education) … .

She concludes:

The present research demonstrates that, in addition to poorer mental health outcomes, weight discrimination has implications for obesity. Rather than motivating individuals to lose weight, weight discrimination increases risk for obesity.

In other words, fat shaming makes people feel like shit, and it causes them to gain weight, not lose it. This is obvious to anyone who thinks about the subject for more than a few seconds: after all, we live in a society in which fat shaming is ubiquitous, and rates of obesity continue to rise.

But of course Roosh isn’t really interested in making anyone’s life better except his own. Indeed, it’s fairly clear that what’s really motivating his little campaign is a desire for revenge on the women who have turned him down over the years. He more or less comes out and says it:

Hurting people’s feelings is the quickest way to get them to change, as any man who has been rejected by women can tell you (we can get laid today only because we’ve adapted to being shamed and punished for our appearance and beta male behavior over the course of many years).

Huh. Does Roosh really want to create a world full of bitter, angry women who are essentially female equivalents of him, using and manipulating men for their own pleasure without remorse?

Well, no. I’m sure he didn’t think it through that far. He just wanted an excuse to post a bunch of crap making fun of fat women.

So what sort of public spirited content did Roosh offer his readers during Fat Shaming Week?

A post urging men to take unflattering pictures of fat women without their permission — and post them on Twitter in order to shame them.

A post, evidently inspired by Matt Forney’s “Why Fat Girls Don’t Deserve to Be Loved,” titled “5 Reasons Fat Girls Don’t Deserve Love.” In it, semiliterate dating coach Christian McQueen explains, among other things, that “fat girls” smell (because “[i]t’s impossible to be that fucking fat and be able to wash your ass properly”), are bad at sex (because he cannot find their vaginas “unless I roll you around in flower [sic] and look for the wet spot”), and eat too much. He concludes:

Your fatness is the human version of a dead hippo, a beached whale, or to put it more bluntly, a human size cupcake: spongy on the outside, round and full of crap.

Really? Where exactly are you buying your cupcakes, dude, because normally cupcakes are delicious.

Another “humorous” post compares “fatties” with wild animals and suggests ways to kill them if you’re the victim of a “fatty attack.” Douglas writes:

Fatties tend to have poor hygiene habits so physical contact can be unsanitary. Their physiology provides many unique difficulties to overcome. Their thick skull is an effective counter to blows to the head. Their bulk is a good defense against projectile weapons. While big game cartridges such as .300 Winchester magnum and .338 Lapua can put a fatty down, a man would have a difficult time explaining to a grand jury why he was packing such a weapon outside of Africa.

“Emmanuel Goldstein” contributes “5 Ways To Bully Fat Sluts On A Date,” full of hilarious suggestions like “Go Bike-Riding Together” (because fatties can’t ride bikes!), “Go For A Hike Together,” (because fatties hate to walk!) and “Go Ice Skating Together” (because she’ll fall through the ice!).

There are several more “fat shaming week” posts up; they’re equally puerile.

Roosh and his pals have also taken their campaign to Twitter, posting such gems as these, using the hashtag #fatshamingweek.:

https://twitter.com/Beppo_Venerdi/status/387635431283515392

https://twitter.com/RealCMcQueen/status/388494710580326400

https://twitter.com/Feisty_Woman/status/388458961705250816

https://twitter.com/EsotericTrad/status/388331081344487425

Even Tom Leykis, the semi-popular radio misogynist, has gotten into the act:

Happily, the hashtag has been pretty much taken over by feminists and fat acceptance activists and other people countering the douchebaggery of Roosh et al.

And the only real media coverage the campaign has gotten — from Buzzfeed and The Daily Dot — has focused on the sheer douchebaggery of the fat shamers.

So it seems that the main effect of Fat Shaming Week has actually been to advance the cause of Fat Acceptance, not to undermine it.

Brilliant, dudes. Just brilliant.

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Λυνα
Λυνα
7 years ago

There’s also people who turn towards eating for comfort, so if they were fat-shamed and made to feel bad about themselves they would most likely to towards binge eating for comfort and thus gain more weight. Not that these retrograde bullies care.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

What I don’t get about all their “fat-shaming” bullshit is why they think women should care what they think.

Exactly. I mean, let’s say one of them wrote a rant about a woman exactly like me and how he would never date such a woman. So? First of all, I’m married, and second, even if I wasn’t, why would I care what some random dude on the internet thinks? OMG not every man in the world likes me! I am so shocked and so heartbroken.

seranvali
7 years ago

Totally Alfalfa:

People come to you of their own volition and ask you to help them lose weight and you provide that service in a professional, helpful, manner. That’s a good thing to do. It’s not at all like harassing women about their weight either online or on the internet. Some people like to train, they enjoy it and that’s great. If people want to then training is a good thing to do but that doesn’t give other people who chose not to the right to shame those who don’t.

seranvali
7 years ago

Sorry, that should be “offline or on the internet”

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

They’re pissed that any woman could have standards they don’t meet, but fat women telling them to fuck off is especially galling. Sorry dudes, even women you don’t find attractive can decide who they want.

closetpuritan
7 years ago

The “Fat Shame Week” nonsense makes me want to go eat some cake and then have sex…just to stick it to these assholes.

I have the exact same reaction!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I think I will buy some macarons in their honor.

Ashley
7 years ago

I want to eat cake, get fat, then eat cake while having fat sex.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I say the solution is to eat ice cream in bed, post-sex.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

Hm……Starve and deny myself in order to win the approval of abusive douchebags? That sounds like a totally worthwhile prize.

I’ll take self respect and the occasional cupcake, thank you.

Brooked
Brooked
7 years ago

For no good reason I checked out FeistyWoman’s twitter feed and, boy howdy, FW is firing on all cylinders.

Her Profile: “I write about relationships. I’m a far-right traditionalist wife and mother. Blessed.”

Her Wisdom: “Maybe if you loved Jesus you wouldn’t be such a fat disgusting pitiful diabetic loser.”
“My husband says fatties are remorseless scum who deserve to be punished for destroying American society.”
“I know all there is to know about cultural Marxist feminism manufactured by the Frankfurt School.”
“I love white men. Because white men hate fatties.”

She seems fun.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

If they actually cared about solving obesity then they’d shame men too

Shaming doesn’t solve obesity, or did you miss that in the OP?

Mike
Mike
7 years ago

Tom Leykis kicking ass as usual.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

Her Wisdom: “Maybe if you loved Jesus you wouldn’t be such a fat disgusting pitiful diabetic loser.”

Headed straight to heaven, she is. Really doing the Lord’s work.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

Seems to me Jesus sided with the losers, not the winners.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

I suck at pecunium’s biblical citations, but yes…”blessed are the meek for they shall inherent the earth” seems to ring bells.

Hellkell, I think auggz meant they’d be equal opportunity assholes, not that their “tactics” have merit.

And Mike is today’s necromancer, for which he gets brownie points!

acrannymint
acrannymint
7 years ago

Maybe us bigger folks should proclaim this as our anthem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nvAkWB1ESI

Lili Fugit
Lili Fugit
7 years ago

FYI, the grenade launcher as insult thing, which is lame, actually is an attempt by PUAs not, apparently, in the know about slang to up the ante on the slang term “grenade”, used to describe any unattractive or annoying woman regardless of weight, though of course weight is included in “grenade”.

It comes from the cute idea that you and yr boyz are out, you hit on some chicks, onez got an unattractive friend, so you do yr more depressed boy a solid and throw yrself on that grenade so he can nail the hot chick.

“Grenade launcher” obviously makes no sense in that context, but that’s where grenade comes from.

Imma go out on a limb and guess none of these dudes knows what a grenade launcher even looks like, or what it is for.

k
k
7 years ago

I think auggzillary was talking about their intentions. If they truly cared about solving obesity despite the fact that their methods are wrong and harmful, they would shame both men and women.

bekabot
7 years ago

But of course Roosh isn’t really interested in making anyone’s life better except his own.

I wish I could give Roosh that much credit, but I don’t think he’s interested in making his own life any better (and if he is interested in doing it he’s unable to effectuate his goal). I think he’s interested in expressing spite, full stop.

Huh. Does Roosh really want to create a world full of bitter, angry women who are essentially female equivalents of him, using and manipulating men for their own pleasure without remorse?

Yes. That way there would be more creeps in a less pleasant world, and a step would have been taken towards the creation of the Crapsack Planet on which Roosh feels that everyone (including himself) deserves to live.

Incidentally: Tom Leykis is a terminally vicious prankster. I used to listen to his show (which proves that I love to suffer) and got very familiar with his routine. There’s only one thing he loves more than persuading dumb young men to do stupid things by egging them on while pretending to be on their side. The one thing he loves more than that is to break people up when they’re, um, together. Draw your own conclusions about his motives.

ignotussomnium
ignotussomnium
7 years ago

“I know all there is to know about cultural Marxist feminism manufactured by the Frankfurt School.”

Somehow I doubt that they know anything more than Frankfurt School = COMMIES.

katz
7 years ago

“I know all there is to know about cultural Marxist feminism manufactured by the Frankfurt School.”

OMG she reads Pierre!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

I suck at pecunium’s biblical citations, but yes…”blessed are the meek for they shall inherent the earth” seems to ring bells

Also something about praying in a closet, and not trumpeting your religiosity to the entire world.

I can’t believe the way these Twitter bullies are so mortally offended by the existence of women who they, personally, are not attracted to. I mean, I don’t care for Brussels sprouts, but I don’t throw hashtag tantrums or declare stupid “shaming weeks” to abolish them. Even if I don’t eat them, other people love them. The world is a richer and more diverse place simply because they exist. Same with different body types. MRAs would sneer at fat acceptance as being squishy new age thinking, but population diversity provides sound biological protections.

MRAs need to stop thinking they’re the lifeguards of the gene pool. Nobody asked them.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

*reads the cast page* NWO, afraid of freshwater fish. My work here is done!

La Strega
7 years ago

Bekabot, you are exactly right. Roosh is a miserable guy who lives a nightmarish existence (loitering in FSU clubs and cafes, hitting on teenage girls when he’s not stirring up via his laptop) — a life that no one could rationally envy. He appeals to other miserable guys who are flattered to imagine that their misery is proof of their exceptionalism. They want more miserable guys to join their cult. Once they get their heads stuck in those manosphere sewers, they get stuck.

La Strega
7 years ago

stirring up shit

La Strega
7 years ago

I don’t know what FeistyWoman’s trip is. Roosh regularly scorns her on Twitter, yet she keeps coming back. Her particularly vile fat shaming tweets are her desperate appeals for his approval.

La Strega
7 years ago

Happy National Coming Out Day, everybody.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

If you look at Feisty Woman’s blog, she’s setting herself up as a relationship coach, for the low, low price of $19.95. ORDER NOW!

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

Feisty Woman’s twitter is amazing in a terrible, terrible way. It’s like a museum of awful, stupid, unfunny things.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

baileyrenee – I’d take it, but I’ve come to abhor bacon. 🙁

I did gouge myself on tortillas, eggs, and spinach though!

hellkell – What would her relationship lessons LOOK like? O_o

totally alfalfa
totally alfalfa
7 years ago

@ Argentini & Quackers

What I meant to imply is that my appearance seems to lump me in jock category and then people react strangely when Im more intelligent than they assumed. Yeah fat shaming is incredibly scummy, immature and not to mention counterproductive. Also @ quackers : I wouldnt worry about you not working out, my girlfriend was with me about 3 years before we trained together and only after she insisted.

@ augzillary

No not at all, the community here is lovely, I just get this kinda negative vibe with the whole jock stereotype thing from blue pill and pro-feminist sites.

Also about the article: ” Mocking someone for lazy and slothful behavior is one of the best ways to motivate them to change and appear more pleasing before our presence ”
Our presence? as if he is somehow deserving? How about hitting the gym himself and maybe using it to learn a lesson in humility. Im obviously biased to wishing more people would train and get healthier, but to say its to please some entitled doosh with your apperance. He can go to hell. Its a personal choice and it makes you a better you than go for it. Thats my stance anyway

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Alice: I stopped reading when I got to the price tag. I can only imagine it would be horrible, awful advice that should be free.

Brooked
Brooked
7 years ago

Yup, Feisty is weirdly fascinating, especially after a few drinks.

More Twitter Gold: “Frankfurt School + eugenics = fat acceptance”
“Hate these sons of bitches Soylent Green disintegrated shrunken hippocampus lefttards.”

She happily calls herself a fascist, which threw me. I didn’t really know people self-identify as fascist these days. At one point on twitter she attempted to get a Monarchist and a Nazi to stop in-fighting, pointing to their “commonality”, and then laments how Brooks Bayne isn’t talking to her. I read their twitter exchange three times to make sure I wasn’t halucinating and that it actually happened.

One of her blog posts is titled “Hurting Other People’s Feeling – Should It Matter?”. SPOILER ALERT: Hell no, screw those spineless assholes! Or as Fiesty wisely puts it, “When you learn to take stock of your own feelings and actions, other people’s feelings become inconsequential.” She really knows her stuff, which is why she’s a “Relationship Coach”.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

hellkell – I can only imagine this:

*two people on the phone, one end being a random dude and the other end being FW*

Feisty Woman (FW): Hello, this is the Feisty Woman speaking. What can I do for you?

Dude: Hi, I’m in need of some help.

FW: What seems to be the problem?

Dude: Well, I met this person I really like, and I’ve tried to get them to come with me on a date, but they rejected me. And I wanted to know how I ca–

FW: Of course, of course. You want to get her into bed, right?

Dude: What? No, I wasn’t lo–

FW: Of course you were, everyone who has come to me was looking on how to get a girl into bed. And as a woman myself, I’m the best judge on what women want!

Dude: But I wasn’t look–

FW: For the cost of $19.99, I’ll be willing to give you tips on how to neg us successfully, how you should treat us, what the pitfalls of women are, and how to hook up smart!

Dude: But I’m not inter–

FW: Yes you are, my dear! But I’ll give you this tidbit for free, since I like you so much. When you want to let a girl know that you’re into her, just grab her and let her know that she’s yours. She’ll be wanting to get on your boner in no time!

Dude: But that’s not what I wanted! I wanted to know how I could get over Eric!

FW: … *hangs up*

Dude: *hears dial tone* Well, THAT was unproductive.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“Hate these sons of bitches Soylent Green disintegrated shrunken hippocampus lefttards.”

For dinner tonight is word salad and an Argentini (it’s just Argenti, but I’m quite amused to have been turned into a vodka based drink, I hereby declare the Argentini to be vodka and mango juice, at about a 1:2 ratio, stir well, do not offer to pecunium)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I feel like an Argentini should involve dulce de leche in some way.

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

Mmmm, dulce de leche and amaretto? (I… maaaayyyy… have a huge sweet tooth. May.)

The vodka/mango sounds tasty, too, though!

katz
7 years ago

I did gouge myself on tortillas, eggs, and spinach though!

Must have been one crispy tortilla!

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

katz – It definitely was delicious. If I weren’t scared of oil splatters, I’d have fried them. *nod*

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Uh, chocolate like stuff and mango sounds gross together, at least in liquid form like that. Chocolate covered mango chunks otoh… (*channels pecunium* why ruin chocolate like that?!?)

Really, the mango is plenty sweet on its own. The most I’d consider adding would be other fruit, but I like my mango unsullied (*more pecunium* no such thing!)

I’m gonna have to prod him, it’s more interesting around here when he’s here.

coolies
coolies
7 years ago

@ alfalfa

I just get this kinda negative vibe with the whole jock stereotype thing from blue pill and pro-feminist sites.

Well I wasn’t there or anything but I would bet that you might’ve just interpreted what you read according to your own.. beliefs that you may hold?
I read a good example of this online somewhere that I can’t seem to find again :(, but basically it said that If, for example a guy walked into a graduation party wearing a torn T shirt with ketchup stains all over it, and some shorts, and If he saw two people talking to eachother while one of them was looking at him let’s say, he might think that they were talking about him, and what he’s wearing.
In that case he thought they were talking about his shirt because he knew it was torn up. If, on the other hand a person was wearing a very expensive suit, and the same situation happened, well then they probably would have thought that they did that because of his fabulous suit.
So to make a long story short, you don’t always see reality but sometimes you just see the reflection of your thoughts and ideas. The reality could be that these two people were talking about something else entirely.
Personally I don’t think feminists concern themselves with these highschool stereotypes and if anything that this is a manosphere thing.
The only question left is why you’ve apparently taken feminist websites that way..

totally alfalfa
totally alfalfa
7 years ago

@ coolies

I dont get what you mean by ” why have I taken them that way?” Maybe rephrase and I can answer better?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Dulce de leche, amaretto, and a spoon to make sure you don’t miss any bits stuck at the bottom of the glass.

kittehserf
7 years ago

“I know all there is to know about cultural Marxist feminism manufactured by the Frankfurt School.”

Women eating hot-dogs: all the fault of the Frankfurt school.

Ba-doom-tish!

kittehserf
7 years ago

Alice – ::applauds:: for that wonderful script.

OT shopping! MrSerf and I went up Brunswick St today. I bought an Erstwilder kitty brooch to go on my Aston coat, and a pair of Dub & Drino tights in the same pattern as these socks.

(Oh the horror – a not-thin woman wearing colourful clothing!)

I also bought this Stupell coat hanger. I wish Freitag were still posting here: he’d love this one from their collection!

Communication ASP
Communication ASP
7 years ago

The problem with Fat Shaming Week has less to do with women and more to do with everybody – EVERYONE suffers from fat shaming, and the way it fucks with people’s minds… I found so many blogs of girls obsessed with losing weight that it just breaks my heart, and makes me really hope none of my female friends will suffer from this.

Being fat, in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, and health has more do with being fit than being big (Some people have a pretty shitty metabolism! OH SHIT!)

This is some of the worse stuff I’ve seen here, stuff that’s not even funny.

” Does Roosh really want to create a world full of bitter, angry women who are essentially female equivalents of him, using and manipulating men for their own pleasure without remorse?” – Wait, aren’t everyone, both men and women, like this in the World of Dating and Romance?

Z
Z
7 years ago

On a completely unrelated note, have anyone seen the comments to Ally Fogg’s latest post? Featuring Mike Buchanan of Justice for Men and Boys, probably because he was mentioned in the post.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2013/10/10/malestrom-pt-4-male-anger-and-the-forces-of-conservatism/

It goes as well as one can expect…

Radical Parrot
7 years ago

Ugh, I’m annoyed by a lot of things these days, but assholes going on about how shaming someone somehow magically makes them want to improve (so they’re not really assholes, just selfless motivational speakers or some shit) probably ranks somewhere in the top ten.

My grandfather fat-shamed me for years when I was an insecure teenager with a lot of body image issues. That on top of other ways of making me feel like shit for not being like my (admittedly awesome) siblings. The result? Not a slim, well-balanced, self-respecting grown-up with a healthy, motivated outlook on life (not saying that being slim makes you those things, BTW, just speculating what assholes probably think will happen), just a depressed adult with body image issues, deeply rooted insecurities and plenty and plenty of cuts on their arms. Nice going there, gramps and other “tough lovers”. Fuck them all.

Terhli Fodal
Terhli Fodal
7 years ago

Good work on finding this.
Okay the mra’s are getting weirder..
On to this now..
Dat study don’t mean a thang!

God, we don’t need studies to tell us that shaming fatties makes them gain weight.
Our selves already know, we already know.
You are fat to david, you should know, im not insulting you saying that.
Its insulting to think we need a study for this when every fat person already knows shaming makes it worse.
Me my self am fat, but loosing weight because i am in an environment where nobody shames me much.