The gentlemen bloggers of the Manosphere — particularly those obsessed with pickup artistry, a.k.a. “game” — like to pretend that they’re part of some sort of reactionary intellectual renaissance. Indeed, some have even convinced themselves that they’re part of a new “dark enlightenment.”
These intellectual pretensions are undercut rather thoroughly by the often puerile content of their blogs, in particular the bloggers’ obsession with cheap insults of the “yeah, well, you’re a fattie who can’t get laid” variety. Indeed, sometimes this seems to be their only real response to their many critics.
Some of these “dark enlightenment” intellectuals have discovered that crude, cheap, offensive insults garner more attention from the wider world than their sad attempts at serious philosophy. Witness some of Matt Forney’s dumb, attention-seeking provocations aimed at “fat girls” and female self-esteem.
Now “game” guru Roosh Valizadeh has decided to gin up some pageviews by launching a week-long assault on fatties, which began on Monday. In a post on his Return of Kings blog announcing the start of “Fat Shaming Week,” Roosh argues, with the utmost insincerity, that this is a public-minded intervention designed to make the world a better place:
We at ROK fully understand that the reason women are so against fat shaming is because it works. Mocking someone for lazy and slothful behavior is one of the best ways to motivate them to change and appear more pleasing before our presence. If a fat woman goes to the bar with attitude, thinking she’s a great catch, but several men check her for that arrogance by calling her a grenade launcher, do you think she’ll feel comfortable the next day for her scheduled cupcake and ice cream binge?
Even setting aside the fact of Roosh’s extreme assholery, this is simply not true. Fat shaming doesn’t work. In fact, as a recent study by Angelina Sutin at the Florida State University College of Medicine in Tallahassee found, it can actually lead to weight gain. Looking at data from more than 6000 participants in the nationally representative longitudinal Health and Retirement Study, Sutin found that
Participants who experienced weight discrimination were approximately 2.5 times more likely to become obese by follow-up … and participants who were obese at baseline were three times more likely to remain obese at follow up … than those who had not experienced such discrimination. These effects held when controlling for demographic factors (age, sex, ethnicity, education) … .
She concludes:
The present research demonstrates that, in addition to poorer mental health outcomes, weight discrimination has implications for obesity. Rather than motivating individuals to lose weight, weight discrimination increases risk for obesity.
In other words, fat shaming makes people feel like shit, and it causes them to gain weight, not lose it. This is obvious to anyone who thinks about the subject for more than a few seconds: after all, we live in a society in which fat shaming is ubiquitous, and rates of obesity continue to rise.
But of course Roosh isn’t really interested in making anyone’s life better except his own. Indeed, it’s fairly clear that what’s really motivating his little campaign is a desire for revenge on the women who have turned him down over the years. He more or less comes out and says it:
Hurting people’s feelings is the quickest way to get them to change, as any man who has been rejected by women can tell you (we can get laid today only because we’ve adapted to being shamed and punished for our appearance and beta male behavior over the course of many years).
Huh. Does Roosh really want to create a world full of bitter, angry women who are essentially female equivalents of him, using and manipulating men for their own pleasure without remorse?
Well, no. I’m sure he didn’t think it through that far. He just wanted an excuse to post a bunch of crap making fun of fat women.
So what sort of public spirited content did Roosh offer his readers during Fat Shaming Week?
A post urging men to take unflattering pictures of fat women without their permission — and post them on Twitter in order to shame them.
A post, evidently inspired by Matt Forney’s “Why Fat Girls Don’t Deserve to Be Loved,” titled “5 Reasons Fat Girls Don’t Deserve Love.” In it, semiliterate dating coach Christian McQueen explains, among other things, that “fat girls” smell (because “[i]t’s impossible to be that fucking fat and be able to wash your ass properly”), are bad at sex (because he cannot find their vaginas “unless I roll you around in flower [sic] and look for the wet spot”), and eat too much. He concludes:
Your fatness is the human version of a dead hippo, a beached whale, or to put it more bluntly, a human size cupcake: spongy on the outside, round and full of crap.
Really? Where exactly are you buying your cupcakes, dude, because normally cupcakes are delicious.
Another “humorous” post compares “fatties” with wild animals and suggests ways to kill them if you’re the victim of a “fatty attack.” Douglas writes:
Fatties tend to have poor hygiene habits so physical contact can be unsanitary. Their physiology provides many unique difficulties to overcome. Their thick skull is an effective counter to blows to the head. Their bulk is a good defense against projectile weapons. While big game cartridges such as .300 Winchester magnum and .338 Lapua can put a fatty down, a man would have a difficult time explaining to a grand jury why he was packing such a weapon outside of Africa.
“Emmanuel Goldstein” contributes “5 Ways To Bully Fat Sluts On A Date,” full of hilarious suggestions like “Go Bike-Riding Together” (because fatties can’t ride bikes!), “Go For A Hike Together,” (because fatties hate to walk!) and “Go Ice Skating Together” (because she’ll fall through the ice!).
There are several more “fat shaming week” posts up; they’re equally puerile.
Roosh and his pals have also taken their campaign to Twitter, posting such gems as these, using the hashtag #fatshamingweek.:
#FatShamingWeek selfish cunts. Children from fat mothers probability wise, are dumber, fatter, more prone to depression. Wipe de sperm off.
— Francis Begbie (@BegbieBegbie) October 8, 2013
https://twitter.com/Beppo_Venerdi/status/387635431283515392
https://twitter.com/JacquesJournal/status/387844928052543488
https://twitter.com/RealCMcQueen/status/388494710580326400
https://twitter.com/Feisty_Woman/status/388458961705250816
https://twitter.com/EsotericTrad/status/388331081344487425
Even Tom Leykis, the semi-popular radio misogynist, has gotten into the act:
#FatShamingWeek what a great idea! If your girl looks like a human Cinnabon or a Butterball, make her feel like shit! http://t.co/cjbLvvNKeB
— Tom Leykis (@tomleykis) October 11, 2013
Happily, the hashtag has been pretty much taken over by feminists and fat acceptance activists and other people countering the douchebaggery of Roosh et al.
And the only real media coverage the campaign has gotten — from Buzzfeed and The Daily Dot — has focused on the sheer douchebaggery of the fat shamers.
So it seems that the main effect of Fat Shaming Week has actually been to advance the cause of Fat Acceptance, not to undermine it.
Brilliant, dudes. Just brilliant.
Okay Alfalfa. Yeah that is a pretty tired old stereotype – you either have brains or muscles, but it’s impossible to have both.
Yeah, that’s a good hypothesis as to why some people seem compelled to compliment me on how absolutely pretty I look without make-up. It’s like they think theirs is the only taste, so if they don’t like panda-paint then nobody can actually like that make-up style. So it must be something I wear in order to cover up my face. Now they’re doing me a favour by telling me that my face is pretty, so I don’t have to feel that way.
But I really hate that kind of spontaneous and not-asked-for psycho-analysing of other people and their motives.
Btw, at my current job I’ve never gotten the “Oh you’re so PRETTY without all that MAKE-UP!” when I’ve occasionally showed up without it, but there was some conversation about beauty where it dawned on me that my colleagues have been thinking that I don’t want to be pretty, and that I wear panda-paint as some kind of protest against all kinds of beauty ideals. I’m like… “I really DO think that THIS is pretty! We don’t all have the same tastes you know!” and they’re like “oh, really?”.
@ totally alfalfa
That’s so sad. I’ve occasionally encountered the idea that intelligent and attractive are mutually exclusive qualities too. There’s something extra depressing about seeing comments like “I was one of the smart girls, not one of the pretty girls” accompanied with snarky comments about how dumb all the pretty girls at your high school were on a feminist blog.
Hey Manbooberz
My post on Mike Buchanan’s Justice For Men and Boys party, as hinted at by z and mildlymagnificent about 200 comments ago, is now up here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2013/10/13/the-stupid-the-hypocritical-and-the-downright-evil-a-response-to-justice-4-men-and-boys/
Turns out the closer you read, the nastier it gets.
(And yes, I have been shamelessly monitoring my trackbacks 😉
Ally
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@Dvärghundspossen, If you don’t mind me asking, what is panda-paint? That phrase is unfamiliar to me, and Googling was not helpful.
Cloudiah, maybe it’s just a Swedish phrase that I translated off the top of my head and it doesn’t actually mean anything in English? Anyway, it’s when you have white powder and lots of black eye-make-up. Making you look a bit like a panda.
Thanks. That sounds kind of awesome!
I like panda paint. It’s generally called raccoon eyes here.
Yeah, people should scroll up and read Ally Fogg’s (aka hetpat) blog post on Justice for Men and Boys and their “policy document.” Mike Buchanan is in the comments there too.
Ally F: Well done. Like a boss. Buchanan’s comments are a great case study in slippery wording, too.
katz. Yup. Not just slippery but ducking issues left, right and centre.
So far, I’ve only reminded him of the comments of mine that he’s apparently ignored. Have to hold his feet to the fire some time. Maybe give a day or so.
mildlymagnificent, You were doing a fine job in the comments over there. It’s always fun to go to other blogs and see manboobzers commenting there.
hetpat, good article. I couldn’t hack the comments, though, with Buchanan and other mealy-mouthed misogynists blathering on.
OK, the comments on Ally Fogg’s post have just gone south in a big way. Dean Esmay (!!) has turned up claiming that they never, no, not us, never ever had a link to a post advocating violence or attacking courthouses or police stations.
Does anyone have the link/s? I’m sure David’s included extracts/ screenshots at various times – and if he hasn’t others have.
Not exactly The Link, but this might help — http://bit.ly/19Ja7dN (sorry about the let me google that for you implications, it’s the best I can do on the iPad)
Love the article, Hetpat. Couldn’t stomach reading through all the comments, although I did enjoy Mike’s “give all the primary school teacher jobs to men”* vs his “why should men work such a low status job for so little pay”* contradiction briefly amusing.
*I paraphrased
His “men won’t get laid if they take teacher jobs” was cute too. By cute I mean barf-worthy.
‘sokay, fibinachi dealt with it,
And they still have links up to the original, on their site. I checked a few days ago.
The Thomas Ball manifesto, full version with explicit Molotov-building instructions.
I quite liked that bit too. He’s all “We should work to make female-dominated fields 50% men!” and people are all “Here are some programs getting more men into teaching and nursing” and then he’s all “We don’t want those worthless low-pay jobs!”
They link to Ball’s Last Statement on their wiki:
http://reference.avoiceformen.com/wiki/Thomas_James_Ball
Choice excerpts:
and
Men’s HUMAN RIGHTS movement. Not a hate group! Totally not.
Here’s a snapshot from the Wayback Machine from when they posted Ball’s manifesto in their “activism” section:
http://web.archive.org/web/20130423205908/http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism/tom-ball-murdered-by-the-family-courts/
If you click on the “activism” tab at the top you can see the link to the page you’re viewing.
Note the distancing language there. Bleurgh.
Argenti: Relatedly, pecunium, please hand my brother his ass. He’s got it in his head that since he weighs nearly twice what you do that you must be some weakling.
I’d rather let Hayashi-Sensei do it. She’s about my weight, but five inches shorter, and would do it more efficiently/with less harm to his person.
She’s also a lot kinder than I am, and a woman, so it might be more instructive.
Chocolate covered mango chunks otoh… (*channels pecunium* why ruin chocolate like that?!?)
Because it pleases you? (also, it hides the mango stench)
I like my mango unsullied (*more pecunium* no such thing!) Au contraire, mon ami, it’s best to not let it contaminate things which are otherwise edible. If you wanted to drizzle some on your steamed spinach, go right ahead.
Hatred of overweight people actually comes from Christianity. Another reason to despise religion.