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YouTube MRA Stefan Molyneux blames Miriam Carey’s fatal DC car chase on “rank female evil.”

The face of "female evil?"
The face of “female evil,” according to Stefan Molyneux

When Miriam Carey died in a hail of bullets after leading Capitol police on a car chase from the White House to the Capitol last Thursday, the incident seemed to make no sense. Why had Carey done what she did? She had no weapons on her. She seemed to have no political motive. There seemed to be no real plan to her “attack” on the White House security perimeter. There was a baby in the car with her.

As reporters began to look into her story they discovered that Carey had been suffering from serious mental illness and that her ill-fated trip to Washington DC may have been driven by delusions about Obama. One of her sisters told ABC News that Carey had been diagnosed with “postpartum depression with psychosis” after the birth of her child about a year ago.

Her delusions seem to have centered around Obama. According to CBS:

Law enforcement sources confirmed to Orr Friday that Miriam Carey, 34, a licensed dental hygienist of Stamford, Conn., told police in December that she was a prophet, that President Obama would place the city of Stamford under a “lockdown” and that he had her and her residence under electronic surveillance.

While the details of Carey’s illness or illnesses remain unclear,  what was clear,and quickly, was that Carey had been a deeply troubled woman who may have had only a tenuous grip on reality during the frenzied car chase that ended with her death.

But Men’s Rights videoblogger Stefan Molyneux isn’t having any of it. His explanation for the events in Washington last Thursday? A spontaneous outburst of “rank female evil.”

In a video titled “No Excuses for Female Evil!” Molyneux complains that the media “rushed in to defend, to explain and to strip the woman’s body of any moral responsibility for dragging a child into basically a suicidal death-by-cop situation.”

So, in other words, a woman, for no reason other than pure “female evil,” decided to attack the White House with her car and put her child in jeopardy in the subsequent car chase. As he puts it:

It may be hard for you to process just how evil this is because there’s so much propaganda shielding women from actually having any moral responsiblity.

Molyneux then compares her to James Holmes, the young man who marched into a movie theater in Aurora Colorado, armed to the teeth and wearing body armor, and deliberately murdered 12 people in cold blood before being taken down by police. Molyneaux asks us to imagine if Holmes had gone into the theater with “a baby in a little backpack. … would we not find that even more appalling?”

He asks a similar question about Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber.

So I guess the implication is that she was somehow worse than these two monsters?

Molyneux handwaves away the talk of postpartum depression — he somehow fails to notice that Carey was apparently diagnosed with the rarer and more severe condition of postpartum psychosis — as a “hormones made me do it” excuse.

“What happened to women being morally responsible for what they do?” he asks incredulously.

It seems a strange question to ask about a woman who in fact died in a hail of bullets at the hands of the police who were chasing her. Clearly, they considered her responsible for her actions, and she was confronted, and chased, and killed because of them.

When someone commits a crime, we judge them in part based on what they do, but we also judge them in part on their state of mind at the time.

Carey is being treated differently than Holmes and McVeigh in the media not because of her gender but because her actions, her motivations, and her state of mind all seem to have been dramatically different from the two male mass killers.

Holmes and McVeigh committed crimes that were carefully and methodically planned; both intended to kill as many innocent victims as possible. While McVeigh was obviously troubled, he doesn’t seem to have been seriously out of touch with reality. And while Holmes’ lawyers argue that he was in the midst of a psychotic episode at the time, it’s hard to reconcile this argument with the months of planning and preparation that seem to have preceded the shooting rampage.

Carey, by contrast, didn’t kill anyone and didn’t have any weapons. There’s no evidence that she planned anything in advance, or that she had much of a plan at all; she seems to have simply driven down to Washington and up to the entrance of the White House. All of this is consistent with someone in the midst of a psychotic break.

It’s not an issue of gender. Clearly someone who is not in touch with reality is not morally culpable for their actions in the same way the rest of us are.

But Molyneux isn’t really interested in making fine moral distinctions. He is more interested in using Carey’s case as an excuse to rant about the evil that is woman.

The evil that women are capable of and the evil that women do — not all women — but the evil that women do is generally invisible to society which is why there’s so much violence in society.

Uh, come again?

Molyneux then trots out the standard Men’s Rights argument that women are responsible for adult male violence because women commit more child abuse than men. Of course, this is because women are more likely to be the ones taking care of the children and thus in a position to abuse the children. Men who are never around children are not likely to abuse them, just as people who don’t live in France are unlikely to commit a lot of crimes in France.

Molyneux purports to be flabbergasted by this sort of argument, and suggests that it’s similar to arguing that men beat up their wives “because wives are so innately annoying, of course they’re going to beat them up, because they spend time around them, and so it’s the wives’ fault for being annoying.”

Never mind that no one is suggesting that children are to blame for being abused, simply that people who are not in physical proximity to children aren’t able to abuse them.

At this point Molyneux seems to be overwhelmed by his feelings about all of this, and collapses in a heap of mixed metaphors:

See, men have moral responsibility but we have to build these little shimmering cathedrals around the sensitivities of these little dandilions called women who just float around without any responsibility just being pushed and buffeted around by hormones and society and patriarchy and oh my God.

I stopped taking notes at this point as he babbled on and on.

Here’s his terrible video, in case you want to watch the whole thing:

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dlouwe
dlouwe
11 years ago

So, if they think that she got away with it by being shot, what would the non-getting-away-with-it option have been? Should the cops have tortured her? Public execution by hanging?

No you see, she’s not being held accountable because the media are trying to excuse her actions by bringing up mental illness. Unlike pretty much every time a dude kills a bunch of people and nobody questions their sanity at all.

katz
11 years ago

So, if they think that she got away with it by being shot, what would the non-getting-away-with-it option have been?

An omniscient AI resurrecting her and torturing her forever.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Pierre has had such a varied career. We need to invent a backstory for him to explain all this.

acrannymint
acrannymint
11 years ago

I am bipolar and wasn’t diagnosed with depression until my 30’s and not with bipolar until my 40’s. Even though I was misdiagnosed initially, treatment helped me greatly. The difference between pre any diagnosis me and me today is amazing. I wish I had gotten treatment in my teens but I didn’t so … I don’t know if the woman was able to get the treatment she needed or able to followup or disregarded everything. I think that is something the needs to be known so it can be addressed.

sparky
sparky
11 years ago
Reply to  cloudiah

acrannymint: Nah, probably me. My sarcasm detector get all out of whack when I read this MRA bullcrap. Some of the stuff they come up with, it’s like, gee, this has to be some kind joke! Nobody can seriously think this, right?…Right? 🙂

And maybe Pierre is like the Pretender?


http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0115320/

SittieKitty
11 years ago

I think a lot of their issue is that postpartum psychosis is a) demonstrable and well established and b) it’s not possible to attribute fault to it, so they hate that it’s a decent explanation for why this woman did what she did. PPP is something that happens because of hormonal changes, and it’s hard for people to be sceptical of it since there’s an easily provable thing that’s going on. Most mental illnesses are hard to define/demonstrate why it happens, but PPP is very well defined and the reasons for it have been well established. They can’t fall back on wining about how “they’re just making it up!” and they can’t really find someone to blame for it either, since it’s not the ‘woman’s fault’ (because again, hormones beyond the woman’s control because postpartum), and you can’t blame the kid (although with MRAs that wouldn’t surprise me). They want to blame the woman, so they have to dismiss PPP first (which they did and everyone should be side-eyeing them a bit for it), and then they have to express outrage that no one else is dismissing PPP and is “giving women a free pass to be violent!” even though that’s not the way it works.

Basically, PPP breaks their ability to cast hatred and blame in a way that very few mental illnesses do, because of its place as both well established, well documented, happens after baby-making (which is what women are supposed to do after all! /s), and is something that’s nearly impossible for the person who has PPP to recognise.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

acrannymint, it’s exceptionally difficult to diagnose PPP. Generally, people don’t want to admit to their thoughts, even moreso than regular mental illnesses because of the extra pressure that you’re “supposed to be” bonding with your child. Second, people have a very hard time recognising when they themselves are exhibiting symptoms. Third, PPP has a very high rate of paranoia associated with it, which makes it difficult to get people to get treated, especially since a lot of people are already thinking “I’m supposed to be bonding with my child so I’m a failure at that, and I’m having violent thoughts and they’ll take my kids away if I tell them”. The cultural narrative around mothering is not at all supportive of it.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

“An omniscient AI resurrecting her and torturing her forever.”

What have I wrought!

On topic finally — she worked in town according to my mother, as in, the town my ass is sitting in currently. It’s a little weird. Otoh, this means she probably had all the same psych issues I do (as in issues with her psych)…unless she had good private insurance, or the local clinic in Stamford is better…

So yeah, as a local I’m inclined to say that psych services were lacking (tangentially, the receptionist is back from maternity leave! Compenent scheduling has been restored! I honestly squeed when she answered the phone, anyone who thinks reception is easy needs to meet her)

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

::reads Athywren’s evil misGallic rant::

::gives him a clip over the ear ‘ole::

Take that, biftek!

… did you just call me a beef steak?
Obviously I was only speaking to post-revolutionary Frenchies…

Fixed the damn video embedding.

Is it just me, or does the expression on the preview image look a little (Pat) Condellian? What is it with these guys and the rageface?

Pierre has had such a varied career. We need to invent a backstory for him to explain all this.

We could always just say his surname is Benn?

SittieKitty
11 years ago

We could always just say his surname is Benn?

That gives new meaning to the term Benned.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

sparky – It’s like, MRAs, do you like not read what you write? It’s so stupid. Sometimes you can’t tell if they’re Poe or they’re actually TRU BELIEVERS!!!11! of this crap.

They’re pretty much insulting themselves by showing how they can fail to comprehend their own slogans and positions. If I were an MRA, I’d be embarrassed by their stupidity.

Athywren + Shadow – Hey, you asked what’s the worst thing feminazis can do. 😛

Shaun DarthBatman Day
11 years ago

neuroticbeagle.

“It is completely irrelevant that dead men do not get tried, convicted or sentenced because this is a fact. As we all know, facts are not true- they are part of the feminazi propaganda. To find what is true, one must take the red pill. Then and only then, will the truth come out of your ass.”

I did some fact checking. She should clearly have been charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced. Because it sometimes happens to teh menz. And then they have their fingers cut off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Stephen_VI

Shaun DarthBatman Day
11 years ago

katz, I’m dying. Pierre makes my day, every day. Thank you!

k
k
11 years ago

Googled Stefan Molyneux, saw that he’s Canadian.
I really wish these jerks weren’t congregating here.

kittehserf
11 years ago

… did you just call me a beef steak?
Obviously I was only speaking to post-revolutionary Frenchies…

Oh, well, post-revolutionary, I forgives ya then. 🙂

Yup, I did call you a beefsteak. IIRC that’s what the French used to call the English. Something based on ’em being beef eaters, anyway.

Robert
Robert
11 years ago

k, if it helps at all, people like that are not what we think of when we think ‘Canadian’. Kate Beaton is more likely.

Robert
Robert
11 years ago

Kittehserf, there’s also ‘rosbif’, as referenced in the Lenny Henry series “Chef!”

Pillowinhell
Pillowinhell
11 years ago

Aw maan! Another Canadian mra? Seriously, we canucks have to get this situation in hand. I suggest dipping mras in maple syrup and Canadian tire money in front of their own hall.

Pillowinhell
Pillowinhell
11 years ago

That last bit should read as town hall

SittieKitty
11 years ago

What a waste of maple syrup though…

tophergonzalez
11 years ago

Wow. You make it sound like he thinks women are somehow innately more evil than men. He’s not distinguishing between female and male evil, he’s just pointing out that women can do evil things too. You may disagree that women get a pass when they do evil things but don’t act like he’s saying women are worse than men aside from merely thinking that their moral transgressions are reacted to differently.

Pillowinhell
Pillowinhell
11 years ago

Okay, so we use that cheap knockoff maple syrup.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

I’m totally ok with that, that stuff is crap!

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

As an aspiring Canadian, I’m ashamed to say that I actually prefer the cheap knockoff maple syrup. I know it’s wrong, and probably makes me an awful person, but… I just like it better.

Probably to do with the fact that I never had actual maple syrup until I was into my 20s.

tophergonzalez
11 years ago

Depression or psychosis doesn’t make one’s actions acceptable, whether you’re a woman or a man. She shouldn’t have put her kid in danger and you people don’t do your side any favors by making excuses for her rather than simply agreeing with the parts Stefan got right. Sure, she’s not the same as James Holmes and probably didn’t deserve to get shot but that doesn’t mean there’s nothing to blame her for.