Over in the Men’s Rights subreddit, a fella called EatsTinyBaldBabies offers this, er, insight:
It became quite clear to me some time ago that your typical woman would be fine making most men live in cages under 24/78 supervision if it meant they could feel just slightly safer about their lives. This is why feminists spend so much time lying to make them afraid.
Last I checked, he had gotten 18 upvotes for this BRAVE comment.
H/T to DancingMidgets in the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for finding this little gem.
I can get completely behind that. One thing I do worry about when posting here is that I can be a little overly forceful when I’m trying to make a point, and I really don’t want to try to make myself the centre of attention here, it’s why I mostly try to limit myself to snarking at MRA logic, arguing with the wandering trolls, and off topickery. So, yeah, if you see me pushing into the centre here, please call me on it.
Nah, you never come in, stop the conversation, tell us we’re wrong about our views, and explain to us how you know better. That’s mansplaining. I’ve never seen you do that.
Well hold on there! Let me show you where you’re wrong… 😛
With regard to breeding without PIV, I saw at least one radfem argue that the way humans were intended to reproduce was to ejaculate on the vulva and let the sperm work their own way into the vagina. PIV, she claimed, was a deliberate patriarchal perversion of the way we were meant to do the sex.
Does any mammal do it in that way?
No? I can think of plenty where it isn’t so…benign? Like, barbs on the penis for example.
This kinda reads like the idea is for the woman to lay around while the man masturbates over her… I mean, I’m sure that’s not what was intended (I hope?) but… yeah, wow.
Yeah, that sounds like fun and not at all porny.
Personally, I would never cage a man. I prefer my men free range, up until the electric fence that is. I’m not American but I think that must be how a dude ranch works.
That sounds like a horrible way to reproduce. I have read that the vagina’s pH level is harmful to sperm, and because it’s basically foreign DNA treats it like an invading disease. It is possible to get pregnant this way, it’s just a whole lot harder than plain ol’ PiV. And if (one of) the goals is to make a baby, then you’d want to make that as easy as possible, right?
Long, involved article about reproduction:
http://m.humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/12/1/23.long
And what Athywren said. That sounds completely dehumanizing for both parties.
cloudiah – done!
I find this mental image so unpleasant that if that’s how it’s going to work, I think she’s just designed the perfect contraceptive. I mean, how long do you have to lie there with it dripping all over the place before it works its way to the right spot? Does this involve contortions to control how the…
You know what, I’m going to have to pass on this whole sex-the-radfem-approved-way thing.
(The perfect contraceptive for me, that is. YMMV quite a bit on this one, but for me? PIV – sure. Being bathed in someone else’s bodily fluids? Picture what would happen if you dumped cold dishwater on a cat and you have my reaction.)
Personally I was more thrown off by your assertion earlier in that comment that biscuits have a bum. Please explain which part of the biscuit is the butt, preferably with helpful illustrations?
So does this he-masturbates-on-her twit suggest there’s any pleasuring of each other involved, or does the woman just have to spread her legs and hope some of the sperm manage to find their way inside? I know it can happen but it’s a pretty stupid way to try to breed.
Athywren – seconding Chie here. 🙂
Except about biscuits. They’re all biscuits, dammit! Doesn’t matter what shape, ingredients, sweet or savoury, they’re all biscuits in our house. ::wrathflounce::
Hey, on the subject of the menz stealing stuff from women, is it mantheft if the Sir drapes my splendid knitted coat over hisself when he’s not wearing anything else?
It’s another case of “so far off on one side you come around again on the other side.” She’s so very very feminist that she believes that sex is only for reproduction and women shouldn’t enjoy it.
I wonder if she thinks any non-PiV sex is okay if it involves anyone she’d see as being male?
Surely it’s obvious that biscuits have a bum? See, you’ve got your top bit, which is a little bit like a shallow hill, which is clearly the head, but then you’ve got a flat bottom, and that’s where the chocolate always goes. And it’s that way in most of them! Even Jammie Dodgers, and other sammich biscuits do it that way, they sit bum-to-bum. Hell, even iced biscuits do it that way! It’s only the really cool kids who defy convention, like iced gems, who wear their covering as little hats.
I’m very glad to hear it! :3
Not gonna stop worrying about it though – I’m pretty sure worrying about it (in association with being universally purrfect and devoid of flaw) is what keeps me well behaved.
In other news, checking for dangling tags when you’ve got [blerph… counting tags in a text box…. sod that] to check though? My brain hurts.
I think part of this is because of a perversion of feminist discourse. I get the feeling that radfems think that people who want to do this is doing it because they’ve been so influenced, or that they don’t know what they’re doing. A big part of the perversion comes in because people who choose to do things that reinforce the patriarchy have trouble expressing (or don’t express at all) that they both know that they are reinforcing, and yet still desire to do it freely. For example, a stay-at-home mom – you can genuinely want to stay at home and raise a ton of kids, but you can’t just say “there’s nothing wrong with it” because the occupation doesn’t exist in a vacuum, there’s a huge historical context to it. Which means you have to acknowledge that choosing to do that can help to reinforce gender roles, but that you still genuinely desire to do that and there’s nothing wrong with desiring it.
::tilts head thoughtfully::
SittieKitty – I wonder if hanging out with a man I daresay at least some radfems would say is imaginary counts as a betrayal of women and feminism and yada yada yada in the same way hanging out with an earthly man does? Not as badly, I daresay, but the idea of giving ’em a head asplosion over that kind of tickles me.
Athywren: You can trust the folks here to give you a course-correction if needed. Speaking of which, CassandraSays, I want to thank you for taking the effort a week or two ago to get me to reconsider my views on Doxxing. Much as I might continue to experience a bit of schadenfreude (okay, a lot of schadenfreude–I’m not an angel) when it happens tan abusive fuckwit, on further thought I see where you were coming from on it being one of those weapons that are invariably used more against the vulnerable segments of society, rather than on the richly deserving.
(“… happens to an abusive fuckwit…” I have no idea where the “o” went, but it would seem it left the “t” lonely and looking for company….)
@ Freemage
I actually really appreciate that, so thanks. I know I probably sounded a bit harsh, but it’s one of those things that puts me into protective mama bear mode, because I worry about friends who’re younger potentially being targeted.
Cassandra — I have one of those 70s hippie sex books and there is, in theory, a position to increase the odds of spermjacking finding it’s way into the uterus. Seems like the owner of the vagina would need to be real flexible as it’s basically gravity “powered”.
So if PiV with the V half of that kinda curled under the standing partner with the P half of that increases odds of pregnancy, how’s that work if the sperm is deposited externally? Need those boots so you can do upside down crunches in a door? (Totally want a pair just to hang around upside down, an anti-gravity spine straightening attempt if you will)
Holy shit, it must be!
Now I want to go to one.
SittieKitty — yeah, and what bugs me extra special is that one of the cases of that that I saw was about burlesque and how you cannot reclaim it. And my head got all gorgon’s knot over radfems saying that women can’t do this thing with their bodies because men have said that they have to do this thing with their bodies. Like, there’s some massive completely different and entirely okay way for women to tell other women what they can’t do. And worse yet, if they do it, and say they are doing it to reclaim their bodies, they’re just poor little dears who don’t realize that they’re still playing into patriarchy.
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