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Men’s Rights Quote of the Day: “Your typical woman would be fine making most men live in cages.”

If women ran the world, apparently
If women ran the world, apparently

Over in the Men’s Rights subreddit, a fella called EatsTinyBaldBabies offers this, er, insight:

It became quite clear to me some time ago that your typical woman would be fine making most men live in cages under 24/78 supervision if it meant they could feel just slightly safer about their lives. This is why feminists spend so much time lying to make them afraid.

Last I checked, he had gotten 18 upvotes for this BRAVE comment.

H/T to DancingMidgets in the AgainstMen’sRights subreddit for finding this little gem.

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Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

@Athywren

There’s also a problem of entitlement. Men are socialized to believe that they’re supposed to be the center of any movement they’re in. Deprogramming that whole thing might just involve purposefully saying ‘no, you shouldn’t be the center of this movement, you should only support it.’

I mean, flip that whole screed around; if all sex WAS rape, which would be more important to me; having sex, or not raping anybody?

I can get completely behind that. One thing I do worry about when posting here is that I can be a little overly forceful when I’m trying to make a point, and I really don’t want to try to make myself the centre of attention here, it’s why I mostly try to limit myself to snarking at MRA logic, arguing with the wandering trolls, and off topickery. So, yeah, if you see me pushing into the centre here, please call me on it.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

I can get completely behind that. One thing I do worry about when posting here is that I can be a little overly forceful when I’m trying to make a point, and I really don’t want to try to make myself the centre of attention here

Nah, you never come in, stop the conversation, tell us we’re wrong about our views, and explain to us how you know better. That’s mansplaining. I’ve never seen you do that.

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

Nah, you never come in, stop the conversation, tell us we’re wrong about our views, and explain to us how you know better. That’s mansplaining. I’ve never seen you do that.

Well hold on there! Let me show you where you’re wrong… 😛

Leum
Leum
7 years ago

With regard to breeding without PIV, I saw at least one radfem argue that the way humans were intended to reproduce was to ejaculate on the vulva and let the sperm work their own way into the vagina. PIV, she claimed, was a deliberate patriarchal perversion of the way we were meant to do the sex.

Z
Z
7 years ago

Does any mammal do it in that way?

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

No? I can think of plenty where it isn’t so…benign? Like, barbs on the penis for example.

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

the way humans were intended to reproduce was to ejaculate on the vulva and let the sperm work their own way into the vagina.

This kinda reads like the idea is for the woman to lay around while the man masturbates over her… I mean, I’m sure that’s not what was intended (I hope?) but… yeah, wow.

Fi
Fi
7 years ago

Yeah, that sounds like fun and not at all porny.

Personally, I would never cage a man. I prefer my men free range, up until the electric fence that is. I’m not American but I think that must be how a dude ranch works.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

“With regard to breeding without PiV, I saw at least one radfem argue that the way humans were intended to reproduce was to ejaculate on the vulva and let sperm work their own way into the vagina.”

That sounds like a horrible way to reproduce. I have read that the vagina’s pH level is harmful to sperm, and because it’s basically foreign DNA treats it like an invading disease. It is possible to get pregnant this way, it’s just a whole lot harder than plain ol’ PiV. And if (one of) the goals is to make a baby, then you’d want to make that as easy as possible, right?

Long, involved article about reproduction:


http://m.humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/12/1/23.long

And what Athywren said. That sounds completely dehumanizing for both parties.

kittehserf
7 years ago

cloudiah – done!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

With regard to breeding without PIV, I saw at least one radfem argue that the way humans were intended to reproduce was to ejaculate on the vulva and let the sperm work their own way into the vagina.

I find this mental image so unpleasant that if that’s how it’s going to work, I think she’s just designed the perfect contraceptive. I mean, how long do you have to lie there with it dripping all over the place before it works its way to the right spot? Does this involve contortions to control how the…

You know what, I’m going to have to pass on this whole sex-the-radfem-approved-way thing.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

(The perfect contraceptive for me, that is. YMMV quite a bit on this one, but for me? PIV – sure. Being bathed in someone else’s bodily fluids? Picture what would happen if you dumped cold dishwater on a cat and you have my reaction.)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

No, I don’t know why the only word I can think of to describe that part is flesh either… I’m having a word-fail evening.

Personally I was more thrown off by your assertion earlier in that comment that biscuits have a bum. Please explain which part of the biscuit is the butt, preferably with helpful illustrations?

kittehserf
7 years ago

So does this he-masturbates-on-her twit suggest there’s any pleasuring of each other involved, or does the woman just have to spread her legs and hope some of the sperm manage to find their way inside? I know it can happen but it’s a pretty stupid way to try to breed.

Athywren – seconding Chie here. 🙂

Except about biscuits. They’re all biscuits, dammit! Doesn’t matter what shape, ingredients, sweet or savoury, they’re all biscuits in our house. ::wrathflounce::

Hey, on the subject of the menz stealing stuff from women, is it mantheft if the Sir drapes my splendid knitted coat over hisself when he’s not wearing anything else?

katz
7 years ago

It’s another case of “so far off on one side you come around again on the other side.” She’s so very very feminist that she believes that sex is only for reproduction and women shouldn’t enjoy it.

kittehserf
7 years ago

I wonder if she thinks any non-PiV sex is okay if it involves anyone she’d see as being male?

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

Personally I was more thrown off by your assertion earlier in that comment that biscuits have a bum. Please explain which part of the biscuit is the butt, preferably with helpful illustrations?

Surely it’s obvious that biscuits have a bum? See, you’ve got your top bit, which is a little bit like a shallow hill, which is clearly the head, but then you’ve got a flat bottom, and that’s where the chocolate always goes. And it’s that way in most of them! Even Jammie Dodgers, and other sammich biscuits do it that way, they sit bum-to-bum. Hell, even iced biscuits do it that way! It’s only the really cool kids who defy convention, like iced gems, who wear their covering as little hats.

Athywren – seconding Chie here. 🙂

I’m very glad to hear it! :3
Not gonna stop worrying about it though – I’m pretty sure worrying about it (in association with being universally purrfect and devoid of flaw) is what keeps me well behaved.

In other news, checking for dangling tags when you’ve got [blerph… counting tags in a text box…. sod that] to check though? My brain hurts.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

I have a real sore spot for radfems in general, not just TERfs, because they always come off as “poor dear, someday you’ll realize how you only enjoy [thing] because of patriarchy and that doing [thing] is just furthering your oppression”. And I’ve seen everything from PiV to wearing skirts treated this way!

I think part of this is because of a perversion of feminist discourse. I get the feeling that radfems think that people who want to do this is doing it because they’ve been so influenced, or that they don’t know what they’re doing. A big part of the perversion comes in because people who choose to do things that reinforce the patriarchy have trouble expressing (or don’t express at all) that they both know that they are reinforcing, and yet still desire to do it freely. For example, a stay-at-home mom – you can genuinely want to stay at home and raise a ton of kids, but you can’t just say “there’s nothing wrong with it” because the occupation doesn’t exist in a vacuum, there’s a huge historical context to it. Which means you have to acknowledge that choosing to do that can help to reinforce gender roles, but that you still genuinely desire to do that and there’s nothing wrong with desiring it.

kittehserf
7 years ago

::tilts head thoughtfully::

SittieKitty – I wonder if hanging out with a man I daresay at least some radfems would say is imaginary counts as a betrayal of women and feminism and yada yada yada in the same way hanging out with an earthly man does? Not as badly, I daresay, but the idea of giving ’em a head asplosion over that kind of tickles me.

Freemage
Freemage
7 years ago

Athywren: You can trust the folks here to give you a course-correction if needed. Speaking of which, CassandraSays, I want to thank you for taking the effort a week or two ago to get me to reconsider my views on Doxxing. Much as I might continue to experience a bit of schadenfreude (okay, a lot of schadenfreude–I’m not an angel) when it happens tan abusive fuckwit, on further thought I see where you were coming from on it being one of those weapons that are invariably used more against the vulnerable segments of society, rather than on the richly deserving.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

(“… happens to an abusive fuckwit…” I have no idea where the “o” went, but it would seem it left the “t” lonely and looking for company….)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

@ Freemage

I actually really appreciate that, so thanks. I know I probably sounded a bit harsh, but it’s one of those things that puts me into protective mama bear mode, because I worry about friends who’re younger potentially being targeted.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Cassandra — I have one of those 70s hippie sex books and there is, in theory, a position to increase the odds of spermjacking finding it’s way into the uterus. Seems like the owner of the vagina would need to be real flexible as it’s basically gravity “powered”.

So if PiV with the V half of that kinda curled under the standing partner with the P half of that increases odds of pregnancy, how’s that work if the sperm is deposited externally? Need those boots so you can do upside down crunches in a door? (Totally want a pair just to hang around upside down, an anti-gravity spine straightening attempt if you will)

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

I’m not American but I think that must be how a dude ranch works.

Holy shit, it must be!

Now I want to go to one.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

SittieKitty — yeah, and what bugs me extra special is that one of the cases of that that I saw was about burlesque and how you cannot reclaim it. And my head got all gorgon’s knot over radfems saying that women can’t do this thing with their bodies because men have said that they have to do this thing with their bodies. Like, there’s some massive completely different and entirely okay way for women to tell other women what they can’t do. And worse yet, if they do it, and say they are doing it to reclaim their bodies, they’re just poor little dears who don’t realize that they’re still playing into patriarchy.

Disclaimer? Radfem hub.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

*where I’d have been insta-banned anyways cuz not woman born woman living as a woman

kittehserf
7 years ago

Dude ranch – how did I miss that before?

I’m seeing all these horseless cowboys wandering around, gazing mournfully out over the fence at the great prairie, while chewing the cud quid.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

IMO onnly baked goods with a distinctly american feel (eg choc chip cookies) should be called cookies instead of biscuits. But cookies vs biscuits has very little to do with the DNA of the object and everything to do with the person talking about it. It’s like the question “What is sport?” Or obscenity – “I’ll know it when I see it”.

But I don’t think there is any description of a cookie you could come up with that there isn’t an example of a biscuit that fits it. Other than it’s a cookie because people call it a cookie.

And thank you auggziliary for the info about birds. It does sound like it takes a lot of dedication so I will make sure I have some to spare before I go getting a bird. Conure are gorgeous (I was at a pet expo on the weekend and a guy was walking around with one of these on his shoulder – http://www.scientifickr.com/aves/psittaciformes/psittacidae/aratinga/solstitialis/) but if they scream, I don’t know if I could handle that. It’s one of the reasons I’ve never liked cockatoos – they make such awful noises. And if you’ve ever heard a flock of rainbow lorikeets roosting in a tree at night. They are so raucous. Galahs on the other hand, sound lovely, and that ringneck parakeet in the video sounded sweet. And that they learnt to speak is awesome. But yeah, I think I need to spend some time around other people’s birds and get to know some to see if we’d be compatible.

this one is between perspectives
this one is between perspectives
7 years ago

This reminds me of that whole ‘black panic’ problem the states had when they freed the slaves. You know the wide spread fear that if black people where freed they would take up arms and start killing all the white people out of revenge for the brutality they suffered while enslaved. And while thatdid happen……it was only like 4 times ever.

In these communities there seems to be this terrified rhetoric that you can’t trust women because they can’t love men and seek only to use and discard them just as much as they themselves seek to use and discard women.

It’s this weird kinda “its ok that we’re horrible because women are really just as horrible as we are.” logic going on there.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Kim – yup, it’s simply an American phrase (cookies being sweet and crackers savoury, and biscuits something else again, iirc) vs the Australian one, for instance, where biscuits is biscuits is biscuits. They’ll always be Teddy Bear Biscuits and Maryland Biscuits and Chocolate Royal Biscuits and so on … Arnott’s Famous Biscuits, not Arnott’s Famous Cookies.

/AussieAussieAussieOiOiOi

this one is between perspectives
this one is between perspectives
7 years ago

as soon as I hit send I see all my writing errors…..it hurts so much……

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

America does scare me with biscuits. Who puts biscuits in gravy? That’s just… sick.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

American biscuits are good though. McDonalds has (or had at least) an equivalent to the McMuffin but on a biscuit instead. So much better.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

etymonline.com tells me that cookie comes from the dutch for “little cake” and biscuit comes from the old french for “cooked twice”. which helps not at all…

sarahlizhousespouse
7 years ago

Biscuits are somewhat like English muffins except biscuits are leavened with baking powder or a combination of buttermilk and baking soda instead of yeast. And they are quite delicious when covered in gravy with little chunks of sausage.

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

Biscuits are somewhat like English muffins except biscuits are delicious.

FTFY.

In all seriousness, though, I’m going to need some biscuits here STAT. Probably I’ll have to make them myself, though, because I have no idea where to get a decent biscuit in Vancouver. Anyone have any Southern US-style biscuit-making tips?

kittehserf
7 years ago

If we’re talking English muffins, as in the sort you toast – I like them, especially the ones with fruit in. I’m very meh about the cake-type muffins (as in “muffin top”).

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

Biscuits and muffins may be made a similar way, but they end up nothing alike. English muffins are horribly hard, and what’s with the gritty stuff on the outside?

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

I think I’m probably just biased against English muffins (the toasty kind) because the ones my parents always bought when I was a kid were absolutely awful. And then we moved south and with the steady supply of biscuits, I never felt the need to try them ever again. They’re probably quite fine but I just have a twitchy hatred of the idea of them.

katz
7 years ago

Maybe I just have a sweet tooth, but IMO biscuits (the REAL KIND AMERICA FUCK YEAH) are God’s gift to honey. Ones made with cheese and herbs are good too.

Store-bought muffins are basically hydrogenated oils held together with a little flour, so that’s pretty nast, but proper homemade muffins are delightful when they’re fresh out of the oven. The trouble is you have a dozen of them and they’ll get cold and undelicious in an hour…

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

Biscuits and muffins may be made a similar way, but they end up nothing alike. English muffins are horribly hard, and what’s with the gritty stuff on the outside?

*Monacle-popping aghastitude!*

You realise, of course, that this means war? Such heathenry shall not stand!!

cloudiah
7 years ago

I lurv English muffins, with the nooks and the crannies and the butter and the Hero sour cherry jam and the gritty bits on the outside. I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurv them.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

If you want nooks and crannies, crumpets are infinitely superior.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Crumpets and honey I can do on occasion, though they seem to soak up the honey way too fast and need MORE put on.

biscuits (the REAL KIND AMERICA FUCK YEAH)

😀

I’m going to try English muffins with a thin slice of Bega cheese now. I’ve been living on toast and cheese at the weekends lately, it strikes me that this might be good too …

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

THat’s the whole point of crumpets – those holes that run allthe way through so that the butter & honey soak through to the bottom (and drip all down you when you take a bite). :-p

mildlymagnificent
7 years ago

America does scare me with biscuits. Who puts biscuits in gravy? That’s just… sick.

Think of them as being a kind of dumpling crossed with a plain scone.

I had a big problem working out American biscuits – with gravy! urrrgh! – until I realised that what I was reading about wasn’t a biscuit at all as Australians understand them.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Even if they were like British biscuits it couldn’t be any weirder than sausages with marmalade, which some people at my high school ate for breakfast.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
7 years ago

Re: Radfem reproductive biology, tongue in cheek.

There are many internally fertilizing animals without penis-equivalent structure or penetrative copulation. These include many non-mammalian vertebrates, notably most birds. They copulate with a so-called cloacal kiss, where some of the ejaculate ends up in the female cloaca. In some spiders the sperm is transferred manually into the female reproductive opening. Mammals are kinda adapted for PIV insemination but of course we humans can use our hands (at least the woman’s hands, I suppose) and simple tools like turkey basters to manage artificial insemination.

Conclusion: Patriarchy was obviously involved in the evolution of penis in Mesozoic proto-mammals. More to the point, same probably applies to internal fertilization in the first place, because it requires unnecessary poking of the female body. Not to mention recent placental evolution leading to menstrual bleeding, extended pregnancy and traumatic childbirth.

Further conclusion: Nature intended us to reproduce in water, with external fertilization.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

Even if they were like British biscuits it couldn’t be any weirder than sausages with marmalade, which some people at my high school ate for breakfast.

If you think about it, it’s not that different from lamb with mint jelly, or turkey with cranberry. My main problem is with sausages for breakfast at all.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

But I hate all of those combinations too. Not a fan of meat + jam-like sweet sauces in general.