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Facebook: Page advocating murder of feminist blogger “doesn’t violate our community standard on bullying and harassment.”

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Several months ago, you may recall, feminist activists got Facebook to agree to remove blatant sexist hate speech from its site — much to the chagrin of many Men’s Rights Activists, like Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, who declared, in a post filled with alarmist rhetoric, that “feminist ideologues are co-opting Facebook, and they will root out any and all opposition to their worldview.” AVFM’s John Hembling, meanwhile, denounced the feminist activists as “fascists.”

Ever since then, Men’s Rights activists have been playing a game of “gotcha” with Facebook, trying to prove that the hate-speech monitors there only care about misogynist hate speech, and don’t actually care about hate speech directed at men. Every few days, it seems, there is a new thread in the Men’s Rights subreddit purporting to document this alleged “double standard.”

Ten days ago, for example, a Men’s Rights Redditor called dizzy_j got nearly 400 upvotes for a post complaining that “I reported three anti-men Facebook pages for gender-based hate speech today. Only one was removed.”  Six days ago,  DerDietrich got 580 upvotes for submitting this supposed evidence of a double standard. Trouble is, you can’t actually prove a double standard with a handful of examples.

But I would like to suggest an alternate hypothesis, which also fits the anecdotal data provided thus far by the MRAs, and provide an additional piece of anecdotal evidence that supports my theory and undercuts theirs.

My hypothesis is that Facebook is shitty at recognizing and dealing with hate speech and harassment, no matter whom it’s aimed at.

My evidence for this? Well, yesterday bloggers at Skepchick noticed a Facebook page targeting a specific feminist/skeptic blogger and asking if she “should … be murdered.” The anonymous poster — who identified her by name and posted pictures of her on the page — coyly avoided a literal call for murder, writing instead:

We should not ever break the law. Rather, we should advocate , through lawful land constitutional processes, to have the law changed so that it is legal to kill [name redacted by DF]. Alternatively, we should, where legal, request that [name redacted by DF] kill herself. Relevant laws should be changed so that suicide, and advocating suicide, is legal.

The Skepchick bloggers reported the page to Facebook for its obvious violations of the site’s harassment policies.

And they received this reply from Facebook (I’ve covered up the blogger’s name):

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I think it’s fair to say that if Facebook can’t recognize a page calling for the literal murder of someone as harassment there is something very wrong with its system for dealing with harassment and hate speech.

The page has since been taken down, though it’s not clear if it was removed by Facebook or by the original anonymous Facebooker.

Get your act together, Facebook.

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kittehserf
7 years ago

sarahliz – how cool does it get where you live?

SittieKitty
7 years ago
katz
7 years ago

Yo, Argenti, guess what we dug up while we were trying to dig a cactus garden?

The exact opposite: A small but functional fish pond. It is about 225 gallons, 1.5 feet deep. What should we put in it?

Allison Parks
7 years ago

The page may have been removed from people giving feedback on the report when they were told that it didn’t violate standards. This would be the best way (In my experience anyway)to get something removed after hundreds of failed attempts at getting bad stuff removed. I encountered a photo of a fully nude, legs wide open female that Face Book kept saying didn’t violate their standards on pornography ( It was all nipples and vagina-pornographic) I had contacted all of the anti- porn pages and my friends and hundreds of reports later, the photo remained. I called tech support about it and was told that there are not real people reviewing the reports. They use computers. They only review with real people when there are feedback messages left through the report results. Finally after a while ( too long for me) they revised their decision. We should all create a folder in our bookmarks for report pages of harassing, hate speech and whatever else you may be fighting, bookmark, report and check back. Always leave feedback when they come back with that response and tell them to use humans instead of computers!!

mildlymagnificent
7 years ago

Frogs!! I love frogs!

You’ll need some fish I presume to maintain water quality, but Frogs!

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Where are you? Outdoor cactī means it won’t freeze the pond? Koi are the standard of course, if you do anything else you’ll want a fountian or such to break the surface and keep to oxygen carbon dioxide exchange going, but if it’ll stay 65~85 and no predators, you can put in just about anything that isn’t particularly fussy

As far as frogs go, the usual approach is very “if you build it, they will come” (and, as I am listening to the frogs in my neighbors was once a pool…it’s true, they will) I’d be very careful about introducing them because of the risk of them getting bored and going elsewhere, pick ones that can’ the come invasive.

And my first thought for “guess what we found”? “Bricks”, because pecunoum’s backyard garden is full of them.

Also, the evaporation rate in cactus country…well, I’m guessing the cost of keeping it full is why it was buried in the first place.

cloudiah
7 years ago

katz, Are you in the area around Pasadena? A friend of mine there had an outside fish pond and gave up on it because it turned into a fast food restaurant for raccoons.

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Yep.

Deoridhe
7 years ago

I was actually a moderator on Gaia Online for several years. We were largely unpaid, except for gifts at Christmas, and on site gold that was paid in response to what we did (and now and then a contest for an extremely rare item). After about a year, it seriously didn’t take me more than a minute to judge 90% of what I saw – but the disgusting images (the trolls would post fifty gross images in a row, and we’d have to clean them all up) took it’s toll. There are times I miss feeling that involved in a community, but I don’t miss the grossosity.

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

What does confuse me is even if we resign ourselves to the they’re-companies-they’re-only-there-to-make-money-for-their-owners attitude, wouldn’t it make more sense to be a little more focused on deleting things that could get them sued or in papers (discussions of whether someone should be killed) and a little less on things that couldn’t (nipples and such)?

The bans on maps of Turkish Kurdistan/criticism of Ataturk show that they’re very willing to co-operate with stupid laws to stay in the clear, so why not take a delete-first-ask-questions-later policy on things that look like they could be about killing or harassing a person or group of people? It’s not as if any real bad publicity could come out of it – who is going to complain to the media that their page calling for race war or discussing whether a writer should be killed was suppressed by a private organisation?

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

Having a particularly inarticulate day today – was not trying to imply that laws against death threats are stupid, was trying to point out that if you’re going to instadelete something as arguable-for as Ataturk criticism you may as well be as quick on the delete button trying to avoid having Facey break far more sensible laws about not harassing people and such.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

Interesting article, lowquacks – thanks for the link!

So apparently, Facebook will allow hate speech in the context of a joke. Great. That pretty much allows every dirtbag and abuser to post horrifying crap, slut pages and rape how-tos and photos of battered women, as long as they’re presented as cutesy memes. Some of these pages have hundreds of thousands of likes. For the fuck of shit, what is wrong with these people, that they can view rape and misogyny so casually and even laugh at it? Why is there such an empathy deficit?

I guess it’s not surprising, given that Zuckerberg’s first idea for a social networking site was to post photos of women next to farm animals and have his friends rate them. Friendster also got started as a way for its founder, Jonathan Abrams, to scroll through his friends’ address books looking for hot women. It seems like the dots connect pretty directly between social network sites and objectification of women. The problem is that these sites make it so easy to garner widespread support for shitty, horrendous thoughts, and then it starts to seem like the norm.

josh
josh
7 years ago

On any given issue, it can be generally assumed that Facebook is incompetent.

lionicle
7 years ago

the page tried to get as calculatedly close to inciting an act of murder without actually doing so

Unfortunately police don’t tend to take these things very seriously either. I’m so tired of the internet not be regulated when it comes to threats and harassment. Those things are not protected speech, you do not have this right, you should get in actual trouble for it.

A dummy account of mine was banned within a few hours with maybe one or two users reporting it for calling out the misogyny of a user who created a page that posted women’s photos and names, calling them sluts, and mocking them mercilessly. The page they created took an actual army of tumblr feminists reporting it to get it taken down. Apparently calling someone a slut isn’t a big deal but you better not call them a misogynist or your account will get banned! An online friend who knows the person just alerted me today that the same woman was just arrested for the creation of child porn. I know that getting her in trouble on FB would not have prevented it and that none of us could have known she would do this because she was just a gross slut shamer and harasser, but it is just like, “I told you this person was awful and you banned me for it.” I wish people would start taking warning signs of disgusting, unempathetic behavior more seriously.

Yeah I’ve read of that too. Seen an article of one such worker calling for users to really think if what they are about to report is absolutely deserving of it, because screening has saved lives and going through useless gibberish can and has wasted enough precious seconds to have lead to someone’s death. There have been a number of cases where these report screeners have called the authorities when stumbling upon an alarming enough case.

I think this is complete bullshit to be honest. Not the part that they mistreat underpaid workers, I don’t doubt that for a second, but that you have to pick and choose what is worth reporting because facebook can’t be assed to hire enough people. That’s such nonsense. I can’t stand these companies that want to reap all this profit while taking no responsibility. I really wish these laws that protect companies like facebook would have stricter rules regarding thie responsibility to take reports of law violations, threats, and harassment seriously, removing them and reporting them to the police. I understand that they cannot be held accountable for individually approving each post (and I’m livid at abusive websites who protect themselves using that defense when they actually do approve each post), but when it’s being reported it needs to be actually considered for more than a split second and people need to start being penalized for violating what would be against the law if people witnessed it happening on the street.

myeyestheyburn
myeyestheyburn
7 years ago

Urgh. I reported a very, very inappropriate picture (IE: not legal) image that was being spamposted by various pages. Facebook also decided it didn’t violate community standards. Good to know that implied child rape doesn’t rustle your jimmies, Facebook.

I completely agree that it has nothing to do with any feminist “double standard” conspiracy.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

That pretty much allows every dirtbag and abuser to post horrifying crap, slut pages and rape how-tos and photos of battered women, as long as they’re presented as cutesy memes. Some of these pages have hundreds of thousands of likes.

Thought you were talking about Reddit for a moment there…

mildlymagnificent
7 years ago

And my first thought for “guess what we found”? “Bricks”, because pecunoum’s backyard garden is full of them.

Reminds me of the working bee daughter#2 organised for her backyard. Wanted a couple of small garden beds and to “do something” about her horrible lawn. We soon found out the reason for the horrible lawn. Every time we put a spade or a fork in when creating her garden beds, we came up with huge chunks of concrete or bricks or building debris of various kinds.

The lawn had about 2 inches of real live soil to grow in. Most of it was rubble.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Sounds like the back yard of every place I’ve lived in, mildlymagnificent. Though here it’s less building rubble than solid clay.

armondikov
7 years ago

It was taken down after there were enough reports to elevate to an actual human reading the problem. There are simply too many people using Facebook and too many people submitting complaints (the vast majority of which are trivial) for anything other than a computer algorithm to handle it in the first instance. To say that Facebook thought it was fine or somehow endorses it purely because it slipped passed their automated system for 24 hours is just wrong, and total misinformation.

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

Facebook outsources its moderation to a company called oDesk, which pays people in third world countries $1 an hour to sift through an enormous number of complaints (around 250,000 per hour). For that dollar, they have to sift through a lot of whinging (“This fish looks like male genitalia and I have small children who might see it”; “I don’t think God would allow this”; etc.) but also really, really horrific acts (TW) – beheadings, mutilations, child molestation, war crimes, bestiality, necrophilia, all the sewage of the world. They probably spend an average of about 5 seconds evaluating each complaint. It takes a huge psychological toll on them. Turnover is frequent.

This is one of the reasons that it enrages me that the report tool is so often used just to silence discussion. As if the really horrific things aren’t bad enough, they then have to waste time reading through someone saying “maybe Jesus didn’t exist at all?” because, hey, that’s the real abuse here! I mean, sure, it provides jobs and that’s great, jobs are a good thing, but what a job… switching between absolute horror, and the very definition of first world problems.
I wonder what the derogatory term is for someone who oppresses rich first worlders by thinking that it’s appalling to pay someone $1 an hour? Is it just communist?

It’s not as if any real bad publicity could come out of it – who is going to complain to the media that their page calling for race war or discussing whether a writer should be killed was suppressed by a private organisation?

The MRM? They managed to get enough people whining about feminazi fascism that some of them would probably try to get media attention for it.
“They tried to stop me threatening to murder teenagers for rejecting my advances! What has the world come to that such fascism is the norm!?”
And fox news would publish, favourably.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Katz — you can screen over the pond to prevent raccoon buffet. Except I’m sure raccoons would find a way around it. If they’re a serious risk, I’d just fill it and plant it and see what shows up (e.g. frogs!)

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

What gets me? FB used to be useful. I had a college account when they first launched and by all the gods was it lovely to select which courses you were in and be able to go “hey, I missed the homework, what was it?”

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

What gets me? FB used to be useful. I had a college account when they first launched and by all the gods was it lovely to select which courses you were in and be able to go “hey, I missed the homework, what was it?”

When was this? I remember it being less useless when I first made my account there, back in the mists of 2007, but useful? I don’t remember that.
Luckily we have sites like coursera now… ok, they don’t let you get the homework for your realworld classes, but they’re good for onlineworld class homeworks.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

2003-2004, I don’t remember if it was before or after Christmas break, but it was my freshman year.

katz
7 years ago

Oh yeah, back when it was college-only, Facebook was nice. There was no Wall or anything yet so there was just a limited ability to be obnoxious.

Then they added the news feed and it all went to hell. That was their first big “FU” to users: Suddenly everything your friends did was showing up in the middle of your page, you couldn’t turn it off, and there were no privacy controls. None.

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

Am I the only one who finds Facebook useful still? I keep in touch with lots of friends in other parts of the country or different countries that way. Plus I have a dog group, a feminist group and a vegan group there with interesting discussions.

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

I still use Facebook, because it makes it easier to keep up with people who are far away. Plus the Reddit meetup group I joined when I moved here migrated over to Facebook for easier scheduling, and is now so far divorced from its Reddit origins that most people were never Redditors to begin with, and actively denigrate the awfulness of Reddit, flat-out.

Anyways, I’m awful at keeping in touch with people, and it’s still a useful tool for that, but I still use Social Fixer (which is I guess a little bit like Tumblr Savior, but for Fb), and also keep a really close eye on my privacy settings, since I’ve had… issues… with disclosure of things I’d rather not have disclosed to certain people before.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

It’s the fact that it allows people far away to keep up with you that I dislike about Facebook. Family members who I rarely talk to for a reason keep trying to friend me, and then it’s awkward because my dad asks why I’m not approving them.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Yeah, Facebook isn’t what I think of as a fun place at all; but it’s where I know I can go to find out what all my friends are doing, so it’s still my primary social media.

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

Yeah… I’m on my second Facebook account. The first one I had, people from high school and stuff got in touch with me, people I didn’t want to keep in touch with. Eventually I closed the account down. Like a year later or so I opened a new account, and so far (been several years now) it’s working.

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

Yeah, I had that problem too, Cassandra. So what I did was make a category of “friends” that can see literally nothing that I post, and the absolute minimum of my personal information, and stuck everyone I’m related to into that group.

This was after my grandmother, who I wasn’t even “friends” with, logged onto my cousin’s account and creeped on my photos, which *gasp* included pics of my annual Halloween venture out to the campus production of Rocky Horror. Which apparently necessitated that she write up a whole bunch of outraged emails, not just to me, but also to my parents (I think I was 21 when this happened?), about how I’m an awful slutty slut slut who’ll regret my slutty ways in the future when I can’t get a job because of this (despite my photos not being, y’know, public… and besides that, my thinking is that any employer who so objected to some photos of me in a corset and skirt with a Darth Vader helmet with no “naughty bits” exposed is probably not an employer I’d want to work for, really)…

Falconer
7 years ago

Facebook’s where all my aunts and uncles swap grandbaby photos, so I am kind of required to keep it up and keep posting my photos, even when one of my cousins keeps posting KENYAN USURPER bullcrap. His latest is PROOF! PROOF!! that one “Barack Obama Hussein II” was born in Kenya.

Also, it just sunk in that I once met and played some D&D with a gay-married Episcopalian preacher-man with whom I am Facebook acquaintances.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

I’ll give FB this — it’s how my pharm student and I ended up back in touch. Ze posted about an apt in the building being open, when I was looking for one, couldn’t afford it but we got to talking…and talking…and talking…and a string of “fuck it’s late” nights…and yeah, I don’t get the whole “managing to talk him into a chick flick” // “talk her into letting me go to the bar” thing either. I do get “holy shit you’ve heard of [band]?!?” and “oWoD, definitely”…and converting zir to a Whovian… (gotta start people with Pompeii, not Blink!)

See this gushing thing I’m doing? It’s cuz of FB, that was my point before I started gushing…

Falconer
7 years ago

I used to not like Fires of Pompeii and then I realized — the power of the episode is not in the alien menace. They’re kind of naff aliens anyway.

No, the really impressive thing about Pompeii is Donna and how she gets the Doctor to save one family — just one! — from the disaster.

… it might have been more impressive if the Doctor didn’t have a fifty-year history of gleefully Getting Involved.

katz
7 years ago

And my first thought for “guess what we found”? “Bricks”, because pecunoum’s backyard garden is full of them.

That too. The pond was under the bricks and concrete.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Lol, it’s tile here — my mother had the bathroom floor redone 30~ years ago, we’re still finding tiles!

Falconer — that, and “don’t worry about us” — how she doesn’t just go along with him, she honestly shares his save the world goal. Also…Pompeii…it had to happen, preventing it would’ve been worse. It’s one of those moments that helps explain why 10 is so jaded.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

Lol @ the 180 degree turn onto Dr Who. (Not that I’m complaining, 10 and Donna are my faves)

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

SittieKitty — I really ahould’ve known better as any mention of Doctor Who around here turns into a discussion of the show.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

I used to have a hate-on for the ending of Waters of Mars, because in my opinion, he was being extremely un-clever*, but a friend turned it around for me by pointing out that he was always at his most clever when he has a Companion (regardless of their relationship). He needs that other person to serve as sounding board/audience. Without it, he tends to drift. This worked for me.

*: To-wit [spoilers!]–the woman could just as easily have been dropped off in some other, future era, allowing her to see the universe that her legacy had created. Hell, that could still happen, with a current incarnation going back, fetching her in a fashion that causes her to fire that blaster we see (thereby preventing paradox) and then whisking her away. She goes back to being assumed ‘Dead on Mars’ and everyone gets inspired and so on.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

I tend to think that a Companion is something of a need for Time Lords (or at least Dr Who). Like water, food, shelter, ect I think a Companion is necessary regardless of the relationship and without them Time Lords are missing something essential.

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

converting zir to a Whovian… (gotta start people with Pompeii, not Blink!)

What kind of monster are you!? Unearthly Child or GTFO!
I love Doctor ten so much… so, so much (though, saying that, I only saw the Martha series a week ago) but S1E1 is just beautiful. Granted, S1E2-4 are a bit iffy, but you watch episode 1, and then you shift forward to the Daleks! I like the way 11 reminds me of 1… such a conniving old man. The face kinda fits that too, young, sure, but much, much too big… in a good way, but still. I do love that Doc 12 is going to be The Angel fucking Islington though! Cannot wait to see him step into those sexy shoes. I was prepared to be upset that he was neither female nor non-white, but then it was him and EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, or at least the grinny equivalent thereof.

That thing with the “fuck it’s late” nights and the talking and talking though… yeah, I owe facebook for that one. I really hope that happens more than once in a lifetime. I think that’s why I still have an account there to be honest. Well, that and the handful of facebook people I really want to keep in touch with – probably a dozen outside of family.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Athywren, did you ever see Capaldi in The History of Tom Brown, the one made in the 90s? He played Lord Fellamar, the slimiest of slimes ever. His final confrontation with the mighty Brian Blessed was a joy to behold.

Imagine Brian Blessed as Dr Who … what companion could ever cope with that? 😀

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

BRIAN BLESSED?!!! AS THE DOCTORRRR?!!! MY EAR DRUMS WOULD BE INCAPABLE OF COPING WITH SUCH A BEAUTIFUL THING!!!! IT WOULD BE IMMEDIATE DEATH!!!! OH, BUT IT WOULD BE A GOOD DEATH!!!! Only people called Gordon would be alive afterwards.

I actually haven’t seen The History of Tom Brown (I’m guessing that’s Tom Brown of the Schooldays?) but I’ll have to look it up now that you’ve alerted me to it… I heart the pair of them in all their forms….
HAH! Holy humorous coincidence, Batman! Capaldi was in World War Z, playing the role of a World Health Org Doctor. :3 I wonder if that is a coincidence? WHO conspiracy? Are FEMA in on this!? Dun-dun-dunnnnnnnnnn!

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Pompeii is 10!

And I like S1E1 but it gets all…there’s no hook? Maybe part of it is that I know Pompeii, as a historical thing, is of interest to most of my friends — those of us who’ve taken at least some Latin strongly outnumber those who haven’t. So take roman history, blame it on aliens, get 10 all “I caused this” and then end with Donna “but you can save somebody”? It’s a recipe for insta-love!

…there are a couple others I love, but I’m in favor of the starting at the beginning of new who.

S1E1 just doesn’t have enough of the Doctor’s personality? (And Blink, while great, has almost no Doctor and you need a base level of Timey Whimey for it to make sense)

Also, Pompeii was my first episode, and clearly it worked on me ^.^

In other things, my Tremere is in Prince Pain in the Ass’s tower with intent to kill. I hint I’m trying that mod next cuz SALUBRI! So thanks for that.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Would it not be the best? The unbearable best? Except they’d have to end the series forever after that.

Akk, I mucked up the name. This wasn’t Tom of the Schooldays, it was Tom Jones – my bad. The Henry Fielding novel from the 1700s. Brian Blessed is Squire Weston, the heroine Sophie’s bellowing, brawling, drunken father. I’ve never seen him chew the scenery so much, it was WONDERFUL.

This is a little clip of him and Capaldi:

http://youtu.be/lXyCbbulHPA

And this is my absolute favourite scene from the whole series:

http://youtu.be/1AvMXmL0hl8

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

Heh, that challenge… I can’t help but be reminded of Robin Hood: Men In Tights:

The other video was really hard though… on one hand, I find it really hard to believe that people can behave that way, on the other, I dated a girl for a year or so when I was 19ish who has since been diagnosed with a form of bi-polar disorder, so it brought back some really painful memories. I’ll make a note of it and see if I can find it… and a reminder to steel myself for that next time.

S1E1 just doesn’t have enough of the Doctor’s personality? (And Blink, while great, has almost no Doctor and you need a base level of Timey Whimey for it to make sense)

True…. but he was a blank slate back then… I can see the argument to getting started with the reboot, just because it’s more geared toward a modern audience. I think my favourite Doctor is Sylvester McCoy, but even he doesn’t really have that same cinematic tv feel that Doctor “Lots of planets have a north!” had from the start… I’m not really sure why, because Robin of Sherwood had it, at least to some degree, and they’re fairly contemporary to each other.
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And I kinda love Blink, though I will admit, full disclosure, I have a bit of a fanboy thing for Carey Mulligan (My pre-reveal hopes for Dr 12? Carey Mulligan, Paterson Joseph, Ellie Kendrick. Not actually out of any "the next Doctor needs to be a woman or person of colour" feeling, though it would be good, it's just because they're all awesome and would be brilliant, in my opinion.) so that may influence that. I think it might be one of the best episodes that's dealt with the Timey Whimeyness though. That scene with the hidden easter egg conversation? That's pretty cool. "How do you know what I'm saying?" "Look to your right." "Yeah, I think that's a comment about the state of modern politics and…" *staaaare* "…oh…"

In other things, my Tremere is in Prince Pain in the Ass’s tower with intent to kill. I hint I’m trying that mod next cuz SALUBRI! So thanks for that.

Don’t!… open it.
My Salubri is currently being very unhappy in the hotel… I’ve been busy in daylight over the last few days and… umm…. she’s afraid of ghosts. It’s not me that’s afraid you understand, I’m a skeptic and an atheist and a rational person so I don’t get creeped the fuck out by such things in any way… except for when I do… *cough*
I really am impressed by the way the mod’s working, though. It’s added a couple of characters, and the ones I’ve encountered are, though not seamless, pretty well integrated. The increased blood usage is balanced out with slightly more populated streets, but that also increases the risk of being spotted… it’s fun! Oh, and the Salubri do get less of a benefit from unwilling meals… which, I imagine, will make combat zones interesting when I finally reach one. (Beach house doesn’t count – my rules are very clear on this: No women, no children, no gangs of drug & explosives dealers who beat my newly met friend half to death for the sake of a couple of hundred dollars. Odd prosthetics-making guys are fair game, of course.)

kittehserf
7 years ago

That Robin Hood scene is like the Fish-Slapping Dance. 😀

I wish I could find a clip of the way the Weston/Fellamar duel actually happens. Remember the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Indy shoots the guy who’s been waving his sword around? It’s much more fun when it’s Brian Blessed with the gun.

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

Remember the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Indy shoots the guy who’s been waving his sword around? It’s much more fun when it’s Brian Blessed with the gun.

You know you’d already sold me on it, right? Oh hell, I need to see that! In my mind, he’s also bellowing, “BOOOOOM!!!!” as he pulls the trigger… am I close? :3

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Oh I go kill-bot on the beach house, because any gang cooking up that kind of explosives deserves it, for the sake of humanity (cuz yeah, you met Mercurio five minutes ago)

The mod just adds the clans right? So I can just add it atop my copy?

No women…except Ming-Xiao and Jezebel Locke? (There are children…living // undead children…in the game? The ghost kids don’t count)