It’s been a while since we checked in with LaidNYC, the alleged pickup artist whose sperm is LIQUID GOLD and whose wisdom about women, and life in general, is liquid, well, something else. Let’s see what we can learn from him.
In one recent post, Mr. LaidNYC brings his unique perspective to the question of raising boys, a topic I’m pretty sure he has no actual experience with. Well, after reading his advice, I can only hope that he has no actual experience with it, and that he never gets any. Some of his insights:
Marry a HAWT chick:
Choose his mother carefully. You are only half responsible for the genetic outcome of your child. You want a thin, young, healthy wife to help assure a healthy child. The mother should embrace the idea of wifely submission and a captain-first mate relationship in which she is not the captain. This will be your son’s first relationship model and it should embed natural gender roles in his mind forever.
Make sure your son knows he’s cockblocking you by even existing, and that you’re making a giant sacrifice by sticking around with mommy, even though she’s no longer the hottie she was when you married her, and you could TOTALLY be dating hotter chicks if she weren’t around.
Make him aware of your sacrifice. As a guy with game, you will likely be passing up lots of pussy and fun times if you choose to have kids. Make him aware of this. He should realize his existence is a gift from you. This will make him respect you more, and a child who respects his father has higher self-worth because he instinctively understands that his father is his genes.
Pay him money to approach HAWT chicks at Farmers’ Markets before he even reaches puberty. Because that’s not weird or creepy at all.
Have him approach girls. When he’s cute and pre-pubescent, take him to a park or farmers market and have him approach smoking hot babes. Give him cute stuff to say, he’ll have a 0% blowout rate. Make it fun for him, not “daddy is making me talk to girls again”. Use monetary incentives if necessary.
Get him a dog, because bitches are bitches amirite high five bro! No, really, that’s his argument:
Get a dog. A dog teaches kids how to love and how to be in charge of something they love. The parallels between dog training and game are staggering.
Also, be a drunk and a letch, because somehow this will benefit him.
Set up some dominoes for him to topple. This is fun. Buy a small piece of bar so he can easily be a bartender when he’s 18. Befriend families in the neighborhood who have hot daughters so he can have an in to fuck them. … Be a regular at a bar or strip club and pass the status on to him.
What kind of status points to you accumulate, exactly, by being a creepy old dude hanging out in a strip club all the time?
Speaking of creepy old dudes, let’s take a look at another post from LaidNYC with the seemingly inoffensive title The Walls of Facebook, in which our hero villain explains some research he’s conducted by creeping through the Facebook pictures of teen girls.
Back when I still had Facebook, I was routinely shocked at HOW MUCH hotter girls, even in their early to mid twenties, used to be just a few years earlier.
In fact, Facebook shows that when women peak is even younger than anyone blogging under their real name would care to admit. Common red pill dogma states that women are their hottest between 18-24.
I say this is bullshit. Try 15-19.
Even that is generous for modern girls in prosperous countries. If she’s going to college to binge drink on weekends and swipe her mealplan card at the buffet line, her peak likely ceases her first semester at around age 18.
True female peak, on average, is probably around 16-18.
High schoolers.
Yep, this is the same guy who was just giving advice on how to be a good parent.
He continues:
Now, we in the red pill community try to stretch that peak to 23 or 24 because most guys don’t have the chance to bang high school girls. There’s the law, different social circles, cock-blocking parents, etc. So we lie to ourselves a bit and claim the 22, 23 year old girls we date are still at peak. Close enough for government work.
Yes, that’s right. He just complained about COCK-BLOCKING PARENTS.
I was going to keep going and go through a couple more posts of his today, but, honestly, HE JUST COMPLAINED ABOUT COCK-BLOCKING PARENTS. I’ve had enough of this creepy bullshit for one day.
Men age like fine wine and all young girls want to be with a sophisticated older man. She’ll be so impressed by his Audi TT and his low end designer coats and watches and his middle management IT job and all that character he thinks he has, and taking three days to recover from the office night out is so hot. How could anyone turn down getting all this 10 years early?
I’m kinda liking the sex ed blog idea, but I wonder if it wouldn’t be easier to just direct more people to Scarleteen.
One more thought on SocialKenny: are creepy older men actually “rampant” in the Caribbean (which is apparently a cultural monolith), or is he seeing what he wants to see?
@Fibinachi That “somethingsomething” is what’s so baffling about PUAs and their claims to alphaness. They aren’t serious men. They’re not engaged in the real world in any meaningful way. They’re not doing useful work or important deeds or interesting things. They don’t appear to be any wealthier than the average male. All they do, seemingly, is hang out at bars and strip clubs and obsess over their notch count and whine on the internet about how hard it is to get laid. How, exactly, does that make them high status?
Someone forgot to put the cork back in this wine, and left it sitting around in a cupboard (full of manly rage) for too long. It’s vinegar now, and not the fancy kind either.
Am I the only one thinking it’s banhammer time for Kenny the “I like to prey on schoolgirls” creep?
Correct. It is a myth. More, it’s a load of baloney. Even in the 17th century, the average age of marriage in the peasantry in France was 25. I wonder if this “everyone married at 12” twaddle also relates to the myth that everyone was dead by 40 or so?
“He didn’t say dangerously underweight, he just said “thin”. I think most people who would be labelled by others as being “thin” can make a perfectly fine baby, thankyou.”
Yes I know, I should’ve mentioned that thin women have healthy babies all the time – not trying to thin-shame. Just wanted to point out his ridiculous notion that thin perfect bodies are a precursor to healthy babies. Large women have healthy babies, and all women typically, and are supposed to, gain 25-30 lbs.
The fact he said thin rather than slim did make me think underweight, but more especially, worried about weight / vulnerable to body-shaming.
I read it as him believing that women who aren’t thin can’t have healthy babies, which is an…odd idea.
I read it as “being a thin woman doesn’t ensure a healthy baby any more than being a chubby woman rules out having a healthy baby.” I guess it’s a very, eh, interpret-able sentence.
@emilygoddess, Fair point, I had forgotten about Scarleteen. It’s pretty good. I couldn’t find where/if they talked specifically about the ways some people try to manipulate (mostly) women into sex. And I didn’t see much about dealing with sexism/misogyny at the individual level: identifying misogynists, etc. But maybe that’s something they can/should work on.
Oh wait, I thought we were talking about that other comment up further in the thread where someone said “A thin woman does not a healthy baby make” or whatever. My bad. I was confused.
*Vows to consume proper amount of caffeine to placate the brainfuzzies before commenting from now on*
Actually, no… I don’t. Bad skepticism for 6/10/13 #423425. Thank you for pointing that out. Though I do have sources for the humours and the leeches, and the point was that historical =/= good, but yeah… bad to repeat myths. I was thinking of 2000 years ago though, btw, not so much 150-300, though, as pointed out, not sourced. At least, not well – I’ve heard it said that, assuming it happened, Mary would have been ~13-14 when Jesus was born, more or less in accordance with the supposed Jewish tradition of betrothal are ~12 and marriage ~13, but I don’t actually know if that’s true. There’s quite a lot of supposedly going on in there. So, yeah… sorry about that.
Okay Nitram, I misunderstood. Yeah, the original post who seemed to say that being thin is NECESSARY for having a healthy baby was obviously idiotic. Several different body shapes can have healthy babies.
Re: At least, not well – I’ve heard it said that, assuming it happened, Mary would have been ~13-14 when Jesus was born, more or less in accordance with the supposed Jewish tradition of betrothal are ~12 and marriage ~13, but I don’t actually know if that’s true. T
I wouldn’t read too much into what supposed Jewish traditions about betrothal were. The First Century was an unusual time for Judaism (secular history tells us that), and if you take the New Testament seriously, then Mary and her family weren’t typical people either.
Arguments have been maid that in premodern times the age of menarche was much higher than it is now (possibly as high as 16-17 in more malnourished ages, maybe 14-15 in better nourished ones). Although it’s somewhat controversial. We do know that ages of marriage in medieval Europe generally weren’t that low- they were low among the aristocracy, higher among the peasantry.
@Athywren: I’ve heard the same thing, mostly by atheists who’ve gone “haha, God is a pedophile, he impregnated a fourteen-year-old!”. It doesn’t say anywhere in the Bible how old she was, and granted that it was some time since I read it now I don’t remember the Bible mentioning any general custom of marrying off thirteen-fourteen-year-olds either. Would be interesting to know if there’s any credible source for this, or if it’s really just a myth.
It is well documented that royal marriages in Europe like five hundred years ago sometimes involved children, but these were marriages for the sake of political alliances, so it’s a bit different.
Didn’t the medieval church believe that women had no souls? I don’t know that I would trust an organization that came up with that particular piece of bigoted dumbassery not to go “well I want to fuck 13 year olds, so that’s how old Mary must have been” too.
@Cloudiah there’s definitely a need for a “predators and their tactics” info source. Maybe a wiki?
Um, not as far as I know? Source on THIS, because it sounds completely absurd? (Obviously it was a terribly patriarchal institution, but to go from there to the claim that women LACK SOULS, no… I don’t buy it, until I get to see a VERY credible source.)
If you’re thinking pragmatically about it though, rather than morally, it still makes sense for people to wait a bit with sex. They had like no health care, child birth was dangerous even for grown-up women, and getting heirs was really important. I checked on Margaretha of Denmark who was married off to a much older man when she was ten, but she didn’t have a baby until she was seventeen. This was the only example I could come up with from the top off my head of royalty marrying super young, but I’m pretty certain there are a number of such cases of women being married off as kids but not beginning to have babies until they’re of a slightly more sensible age.
Even in horribly sexist times there may have been pragmatic reasons not to rape a valuable prepubescent wife.
No worries Athywren, I used to think so too. However, I have access to an archeologist, anthropologist, who corrected me on that particular issue. Looking at the nobility and how they did things, it was super unusual and not at all typical of how marriage as an institution worked – and also, people in the higher classes, both husbands and wives, had affairs like crazy, and it really wasn’t all that big a deal as long as you weren’t a queen…
I think the fact that people sometimes got married young in the nobility because of alliances and blah blah may mislead people into assuming that the earliest age they were known to have married = the age people thought it was acceptable to have sex. Which is kind of silly, because it’s not uncommon in cultures where early marriage is practiced for the assumption to be that sex will wait until both parties have at least reached puberty.
Of course it’s very convenient for pedo apologists to assume that one historical figure being married off at 10 = it was totes normal for adults to fuck 10 year olds, so that’s what they’re going to do.,
Every culture is different, but throughout history it’s been most common for people to get married in their early to mid 20s. Child brides usually happen in cultures where marriage becomes valuable as a bargaining chip between wealthy families.
In parts of medieval Europe, it was common for a while for noble families to marry off their children–both male and female–early to protect their inheritance, because getting married made them legally adults. Otherwise the children would become wards to the state if their parents died. This seems to be the origin of the “in the olden days girls all got married at twelve” myth, but in the non-landed classes the average age of first marriage was in the early 20s, not much different from today.
I wonder if we could break their brains by pointing out that in some cultures a woman who was already pregnant made an attractive potential bride because her being pregnant meant that everyone knew she was fertile.
One thing I’ve noticed, and that’s true as much of traditionalists, MRAs, people who seek to excuse sexual intercourse with children or teenagers, but also a lot of liberals (when it comes to views on “romantic love”, marriage, etc) is that when people look at how things were done in the past it’s all about what nobility, or whatever dominant class of the time, was doing. Child brides were mostly a factor in arranging familial alliances, as someone mentioned earlier. This was not something the lower classes did typically, unless there was an occasion for social climbing (and the reality on this planet is that social climbing is not something that was offered often to peasants and other working class folks).
This is a lot because cultural productions are almost always controlled by given ruling classes, so communicated history tend to be the documentation of the behavior of ruling classes in time. If you want the gist of what the little people were doing, you have to talk to anthropologists mostly, and people who reconstruct these from the small parcels that got to us through the filters, while chivalry, the foibles of kings, queens, princes and princesses pretty much are known to anyone who has a basic grasp of history.
Even when the upper classes married their children very young – like, way before their teens – there was no assumption that the children would start living together, let alone having sex. It was more about making an alliance, as people have said, or securing an inheritance, and the children would go on living with their own families until they were deemed old enough to cohabit. That might be on the youngish side, especially if there was an age gap and the families didn’t want the boy to start having sex elsewhere.
Even when early teens were required to have sex, it was down to politics; Louis and Anne are a good example. They had just turned fourteen when they were married, and had to go through the whole displaying-of-the-sheets-afterward wedding night routine to make sure the marriage (ie. alliance between France and Spain) couldn’t be annulled on the grounds of non-consummation. I don’t know how Anne felt about it, but Louis sure wasn’t ready, and they lived apart for years afterward. But to take an example like that as the norm for their time, even among royalty, is all wrong, and either ignorant of the general situations or a very side-eyeish claim that children marrying was usual.
Also excellent point about menarche from Hector. It has varied over the centuries with different nutritional levels and so on. It’s getting earlier now; it’s becoming more common for children to reach it well before their teens, even early in primary school, sometimes.
I find it interesting that MRA/PUA types frequently refer to young girls as ‘women’ , ‘young women’ or say that ‘women’ peak between 14-15 and 19/20/24 whatever ( a while back I remember a whole bunch of creepiness about ‘fertile young women’ who were actually school age kids being covered here) but I’ve not seen anything that implies 13-14 year old boys are ‘virile young men’ or whatever. Just stuff about ‘raising them as men’ or ‘teaching them to be men’ or whatever. Like, 15 year old boy is a child who needs to learn and grow but a 15 year old girl, well, as soon as they want to fuck her then she’s a fertile young woman and biotruth. Ugh.