I’ve learned a lot about myself in the process of writing this blog. For example, this week, I learned that I’m a “vile, subhuman thing” who “like licking sh*t of feminist’s shoes” and “just wants every man cuckolded.” Also, I have some interesting and specific tastes in porn that even I was unaware of.
I learned all of these things from the always reliable purveyors of accurate and unbiased information in the Men’s Rights subreddit, in a thread ostensibly devoted to my coverage of the recent events in Toronto, but which ended up being more devoted to my various alleged failings and my alleged preferences in the porn realm.
Let’s take a look!
Here’s a man who is evidently also a pig suggesting that I am a man who is also a slug:
But ThePigmanAgain was too late! For I was able to steal EIGHTEEN WHOLE TRAFFICS from the Men’s Rights subreddit that day before the moderators removed this thread from the subreddit, lest any more unwary Men’s Rightsers wander into my evil internet lair where they might find writing critical of the men’s rights movement and its farcical attempts at activism.
Evidently Alisdair isn’t one of those who actually clicked on the link to my post in the thread, because he apparently believes that my post was a do-it-yourself guide to cuckolding other men, or perhaps a guide to getting cuckolded. I’m not sure..
And then there’s JayBopara, a MHRA warrior who seems a bit obsessed with what he for some reason believes are my preferences, porn-wise:
![JayBopara [S] -2 points 4 days ago (5|7) This guy David Futrelle like licking sh*t of feminist's shoes, so this sort of article was predictable. My understanding is he also likes mangina porn. This guy Futrelle is the pits, and the sad thing is, there are so many pathetic manginas exactly like him out there. With so many manginas, I doubt the MHRM will gain too much traction. But here's hoping. permalink source save give gold hide child comments [–]Dronelisk 2 points 3 days ago (6|4) ok fine no need to insult the author lest we fall into the same category as feminists and their ad hominem logical fallacies. wait did I just do that too? permalink source save parent give gold [–]JayBopara [S] 2 points 3 days ago (4|2) The reason I said those remarks was somewhere I read, and some places he posted he indicated a liking for mangina porn. Therefore I don't believe I've made an ad hominem attack. It appears from my research there is a link with people who are political manginas and those who like mangina pornography.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/maginaporn1.png?resize=539%2C368&ssl=1)
These comments of his raise a few questions for me.
1) Where exactly is he allegedly reading about my alleged preferences in porn? The MakeStuffUpAboutDavidFutrelleWiki?
2) What on earth is “mangina porn,” anyway?
Asked this very question in the thread itself, Jay has this answer:
![JayBopara [S] 2 points 3 days ago (2|0) Mangina porn = femdom porn. Sorry if you guys didn't understand that. Porn which often is not about sex, as it is about women debasing, humiliating and violently abusing men. Apparently manginas get off on this porn. Mangina porn has nothing to do with transexuals or anything like that. Man·gi·na -noun- 1. A women-firster. 2. A pussy-worshipper. 3. A male who behaves or acts toward men in an overly aggressive way once feminist Maxims are questioned.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/manginaporn2.png?resize=539%2C163&ssl=1)
Ah.
Dude, hate to break it to you, but I’m pretty sure that you’re the only person in the universe who calls that “mangina porn.”
Also, despite the similarities in the first three letters of the words, and the involvement of women in each, there is no real connection between “feminism” and “femdom.” One is a social and political movement; the other is a kink.
Anyway, this is how the HUMAN RIGHTS MOVEMENT FOR MEN AND BOYS OF THE 21ST CENTURY deals with its critics.
Well, its male critics anyway. It treats its female critics much, much worse.
Am I alone in thinking “mangina porn” should be a thing? I have no idea what it would be, because it’s obviously not S&M porn, that’s already a thing. But I think we owe it to the MRA’s to make mangina porn. I think if we did it right they would never be capable of erections again.
Haha, I noticed a few people saying what porn they are NOT into. It takes much more bravery to say what porn you ARE into. Or much more creepiness. It’s all about context. But in this context, I’d say bravery.
I like the porn where the people get…
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…nekkid! 😮
I said it required bravery, and that I do not have. Plus my dude reads this site, haha. 🙂
Athywren, I like the kind of porn where people stay dressed in Victorian clothing. ~.^
Delurking to jump into the Korean/Japanese drama discussion
I’m currently watching a K-Drama called You’re Beautiful (It’s my first K-Drama so I had no idea what to expect) and while it’s…problematic in that Male Lead no. 1 is a complete arsehole towards the heroine and Male Lead two is a creepy creeper who secretly stalks her around the city I actually don’t think it’s as awful as some of the other ones described here.
Like, the Male Lead is an arse but he’s not ‘doing it to make her love him’ – he doesn’t realise that he’s in love with her and vice versa. Plus, he’s an arse to everyone and he does do nice things for her, such as taking care of her when she’s sick. She also starts out willing to suck up everything he throws at her and then in the last episode I watched (11) she STOOD UP TO HIM and shouted back at him.
So…I dunno what I think about it. It keeps making me cringe but it’s funny and it does have its sweet moments.
Baby jaguar! They’re all like “PLAY WITH ME RAWR!!” and Mom’s all like, “Yeah, yeah, just play… [aside]it’s so nice when they find something for themselves to do.[/aside] Yes honey, I’m totally playing with you.”
Ohhh, ankle fetish porn? That’s some damn sexy stuff!
I am choosing not to read that as a joke because 1) VICTORIAN ENGLAND!! And 2) uh, more skin than you’re thinking an Victorian porn is fucking raunchy. Check where the necklines fall on some of these — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860s_in_Western_fashion
That’s exactly why those stories are so objectionable. The fact that the female lead has a superficial gloss of “see how fiesty she is! she dared to kick him in the head!” is used to make the rest of the story, where the male lead is a horrible person who treats her like shit, palatable, and a lot of people don’t even notice how her character actually goes along with a lot of the shitty stuff he does, or ask themselves why it’s OK that she ends up with him. I haven’t read the manga, but the TV adaptions are a clusterfuck of misogyny wrapped in “romance” and faux-empowerment.
And we haven’t even started on the flip side of the problem in, say, Playful Kiss, where if you’re a girl and you really like a boy who doesn’t seem to like you, don’t worry, if you just stalk him relentlessly then he’ll eventually fall for you too! (But he’ll still be the same manipulative asshole who pretends he’s going to refuse to register your marriage so it’s not really legal to make you study harder).
“So…wouldn’t that secretly make femdom porn with a male mangina sub the most alpha thing ever?”
Yeah, I think so. I know this topic has already been addressed and I know that I sound like a bi or gay person who’s active in the political or cultural realm and who, while inspecting hir natural (homophobic) opponents, says to hirself silently or aloud: “I swear some of these guys have gotta be so gay,” but I draw from the MRA obsession with this subject the conclusion that at least some of the men who are thus obsessed are probably into the thing they’re obsessed with. (But that’s just me.)
And why wouldn’t they be? We’re talking about a state of things in which women do most of the work while men receive most of the bennies. What’s for an MRA not to like? That’s their freakin’ wet dream, in more senses than one. Too bad they can’t name it and claim it.
For porn without a stomach-turning attitude… disclaimer in that I haven’t been to the site in years, so its tone may have changed considerably, but I used to have a pretty good impression of Burning Angel. Never saw any slurs used to describe its performers, and in many vids there was an emphasis on everyone involved having fun.
(I particularly recall one video in which the actors were joking around with a Spiderman mask before, uhm, getting into the action… it was pretty goofy and silly, but the sex was still, well, sexy, and it stood out because the emphasis seemed so clearly to be on “everybody here is having a great time.”)
So if you don’t mind (or enjoy) tattoos and piercings on your performers, maybe something to check out… (and my apologies in advance if it turns out that have changed by now.) It’s a pay site, but I believe they have free previews, plus hey, some vids may have found their way onto torrent sites and such… not that I would ever advocate such a thing!
Ha, I know where that little brand of stupid got started. And no, it was no less insulting, desperate, and dismissive to actual oppression the first time.
LOL that’s it exactly!
Plus, “Kid, it’s 100 in the shade, will you just sit DOWN.”
Cassandra, I’m so glad I came back to this thread. Boys Before Flowers has been repeatedly recommended to me as a thing to watch now that I’ve finished First Shop of Coffee Prince. I think I’ll be skipping it now.
Porn that’s not gross: I recently discovered a project called “Make Love Not Porn“, by a woman who realized that young people are getting or supplementing their sex education with porn, and wanted to offer people the chance to see non-actors having non-fictional sex (there are some porn actors involved with the project, but theoretically they’re not acting in these videos). I haven’t actually rented any of the videos yet, but the project sounds cool, so I thought I’d mention it.
Erotica/porn that’s not sexist and terrible: I’m currently obsessed with the Kushiel’s Legacy series by Jacqueline Carey. It’s an alternate-history/epic fantasy world where sex is holy in all forms, prostitution is a sacred calling, and all the gods are real – including YHVH and Jesus. MASSIVE trigger warnings for rape, but on the plus side, she doesn’t handwave the trauma away (and the second trilogy revolves around a male survivor). I’m trying not to fangirl too much, but yeah…the first trilogy was kind of my gateway into romance/erotica.
The only good things I can say about Boys Over Flowers (the Korean version) are as follows – lots of eye candy in the cast, soundtrack is decent (though there are two songs that you will be very tired of by the end), Lee MinHo is a very good actor (which unfortunately makes the character he’s playing even more problematic, because when he switches to charming mode it’s going to win over most viewers), and great clothes. There’s also a lot of what I can only describe as wealth porn – lingering shots of big expensive houses containing lots of fancy stuff, name-dropping of labels, constant reminders of how much things cost – that I found incredibly tacky, but that judging by the success of shows like Dynasty some people really enjoy as a vicarious sort of thing.
BTW, have you seen any of the Coffee Prince parodies? Some of them are pretty funny.
Also, SPOILERS FOLLOW
Trigger warning for anyone who decides to watch it – there’s an incident of animal cruelty in episode 7 that I found quite upsetting (a horse being raced to the point of permanent injury).
@CassandraSays:
I hated a lot of things about the Boys over Flowers manga (the parents, the male lead, that it went on waaaay too long) but I liked how it ended: All the cast finished high school and went on with their lives. The heroine and the male lead even on different continents. With some melancholy over “what will we feel when we meet again?”… I really hoped they both will grow out of it. :]
In the TV version she waits for him for several years, with the other dude still pining for her, and then they get married.
Is his mother awful in the manga too? Because in the TV version she’s pretty much the worst potential in-law you could ever hope to avoid.
The manga ends with high school ending. Also the other dude goes to explore the world, but he is already in “love” (it’s not the right word, if I remember correctly it’s closer to friends with benefits) with a different girl.
…Except if the TV version mixed him with the girl’s best friend who actually confesses on the prom, but that came completely out of the blue. If there was foreshadowing I didn’t see it so it looked like a cruel joke.
As far as I remember… his mother is quite awful in the manga too.
Not above using her power to take revenge on one of the friends of the girl, who had literally nothing to do with the whole thing… same guy I mentioned earlier. It’s hard to be a side character in a shoujo manga.
There’s no male best friend in the Korean TV version, just the secondary guy from the group of 4 who’s in love with her, so I think they combined the two characters. Also, since this was made for a Korean audience, no friends with benefits, no sex at all really, other than the one guy whose promiscuity is supposed to be a sign of his deep emotional wounds or some shit like that. She has a female best friend in the that version, who ends up with the one guy who actually gets to have sex from the group of 4, who’s spent most of the series insulting her by talking about how un-hot she is and how much she looks like a child.
I find the whole “if they fight constantly it means that they have the hots for each other” trope so incredibly childish.
It’s also disturbing in that it normalizes abuse. Abuse can often contain screaming in anger from both sides, it doesn’t have to be one person who’s 100 % the submissive victim. And that kind of situation, where both people to some extent engages in the fights, gets normalized when fights are treated as a sign of PASSION rather than a sign that something’s wrong.
Yeah, and I’ve seen people say the reason they prefer to see the female lead end up with the abusive guy is that the relationship is more “passionate” and if the guy was nice to her all along that would be boring. Which is just sad. Plus people really buy into the idea that you can change a cold, mean-spirited man into a kind, loving one, and that doing so means you’re super mega awesome, which is a really dangerous idea to be teaching young people.
BTW, before anyone thinks I’m ragging on Korean TV dramas in general, here’s an example of a mini-drama that I thought was done well (ie. it’s cute and funny, not depressing, partly because it’s mocking the over the top ridiculousness of some of the romance dramas).
One of the weirdest relationship tropes I see is the idea that men and women exist in completely separate spheres with zero overlapping interests, and every day is a battle to trick your partner/spouse into doing things like ‘letting’ you go to the pub or seeing a ‘chick flick’.
I mean you don’t have to live in each other’s pockets but you would think there is at least ONE thing that these couples enjoy doing together.
That one always makes me wonder why anyone would marry someone they have nothing in common with, who they have to lie to about even the simplest things. The rate of overlap between belief in that trope and miserable marriages where both partners quietly seethe with resentment towards each other seems to be rather high.