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“ManSlug is a vile subhuman thing” and other insights from the Men’s Rights subreddit

This is apparently how MRAs think feminism works
Feminism brings another manling into the fold

I’ve learned a lot about myself in the process of writing this blog. For example, this week, I learned that I’m a “vile, subhuman thing” who “like licking sh*t of feminist’s shoes” and “just wants every man cuckolded.” Also, I have some interesting and specific tastes in porn that even I was unaware of.

I learned all of these things from the always reliable purveyors of accurate and unbiased information in the Men’s Rights subreddit, in a thread ostensibly devoted to my coverage of the recent events in Toronto, but which ended up being more devoted to my various alleged failings and my alleged preferences in the porn realm.

Let’s take a look!

Here’s a man who is evidently also a pig suggesting that I am a man who is also a slug:

pigslug

But ThePigmanAgain was too late! For I was able to steal EIGHTEEN WHOLE TRAFFICS from the Men’s Rights subreddit that day before the moderators removed this thread from the subreddit, lest any more unwary Men’s Rightsers wander into my evil internet lair where they might find writing critical of the men’s rights movement and its farcical attempts at activism.

Evidently Alisdair isn’t one of those who actually clicked on the link to my post in the thread, because he apparently believes that my post was a do-it-yourself guide to cuckolding other men, or perhaps a guide to getting cuckolded. I’m not sure..

Alisdair_ 1 point 3 days ago* (3|2)  Oh jeez, another one of those who just wants every man cuckolded.

And then there’s JayBopara, a MHRA warrior who seems a bit obsessed with what he for some reason believes are my preferences, porn-wise:

JayBopara [S] -2 points 4 days ago (5|7)  This guy David Futrelle like licking sh*t of feminist's shoes, so this sort of article was predictable. My understanding is he also likes mangina porn. This guy Futrelle is the pits, and the sad thing is, there are so many pathetic manginas exactly like him out there. With so many manginas, I doubt the MHRM will gain too much traction. But here's hoping.      permalink     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]Dronelisk 2 points 3 days ago (6|4)  ok fine no need to insult the author lest we fall into the same category as feminists and their ad hominem logical fallacies.  wait did I just do that too?      permalink     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]JayBopara [S] 2 points 3 days ago (4|2)  The reason I said those remarks was somewhere I read, and some places he posted he indicated a liking for mangina porn. Therefore I don't believe I've made an ad hominem attack. It appears from my research there is a link with people who are political manginas and those who like mangina pornography.

These comments of his raise a few questions for me.

1) Where exactly is he allegedly reading about my alleged preferences in porn? The MakeStuffUpAboutDavidFutrelleWiki?

2) What on earth is “mangina porn,” anyway?

Asked this very question in the thread itself, Jay has this answer:

JayBopara [S] 2 points 3 days ago (2|0)  Mangina porn = femdom porn. Sorry if you guys didn't understand that. Porn which often is not about sex, as it is about women debasing, humiliating and violently abusing men. Apparently manginas get off on this porn. Mangina porn has nothing to do with transexuals or anything like that.  Man·gi·na -noun- 1. A women-firster. 2. A pussy-worshipper. 3. A male who behaves or acts toward men in an overly aggressive way once feminist Maxims are questioned.

Ah.

Dude, hate to break it to you, but I’m pretty sure that you’re the only person in the universe who calls that “mangina porn.”

Also, despite the similarities in the first three letters of the words, and the involvement of women in each, there is no real connection between “feminism” and “femdom.” One is a social and political movement; the other is a kink.

Anyway, this is how the HUMAN RIGHTS MOVEMENT FOR MEN AND BOYS OF THE 21ST CENTURY deals with its critics.

Well, its male critics anyway. It treats its female critics much, much worse.

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Bogdan574
7 years ago

I also like the way JayBopara judges which porn is about sex and which isn’t. Men debasing and dominating women, like in the huge majority of porn, is sex. But women debasing and dominating men isn’t sex at all, but something monstrous that lies outside of sex.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

Mangina porn = femdom porn

You mean like the porn The Amazing Atheist watches?

Oh, snap!

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

I just noticed how many grammar and spelling errors are in that post of mine. Oops.

I offer a peace kitten:

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

That kitten doesn’t look all that peaceful to me. Something seems to have displeased hir.

And yeah, as a domme I snicker gently at the idea that femdom isn’t about sex.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

That kitten doesn’t look all that peaceful to me. Something seems to have displeased hir.

Hmmmm… this is true. Here’s a happier looking kitty; this video is actually so cute I want to cry.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Kitten tummy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The cuteness broke me. I am broken.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

It makes me so happy that my cat still allows me to smush my face into her fluffy belly without attempting to claw my eyes out.

augochlorella
7 years ago

Wait, David is a slug? I thought we determined he was many ferrets inside a cat suit inside a human suit.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I woul dbe in the ER explaing why I’m faceless if I tried to do that to any of my furballs.

cloudiah
7 years ago

The human suit is inside a slug suit, and rides around on top of a turtle.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

In a unique twist, the turtle rides on the back of 4 giant and very confused elephants.

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

*awards Athywren a cookie*

Yes! Finally!! All this time, I’ve been in it for the cookies, and none were forthcoming. Finally, I have my cookie…. eeeeexcellent!

(though admittedly this is largely related to my increasing inability to deal with the process of sifting through porn titles).

Hey, what’s wrong with porn titles? (Which I totally didn’t misread in any way at all. No ma’am.) I happen to think that Boobmaster Bill and the like are most excellent titles.

@baileyrenee, that second cat is trying to play cat-a-cake with him! Squee! (Manly squee. Very manly.) :3

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

This might be one of those Feminist Ad Hom(me)inems (TM), but whenever I see or hear some dude use the word “Mangina” it is immediately clear that he is a “Fucking Loser”.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
7 years ago

I thought “mangina” was a diminutive for “manga”, which in turn is a feminine for “mango”.

Turns out it’s a person who attacks new Internet threads and annoyingly hogs the first comment just to shout “Women first!”

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

Athywren – It’s more a “titles that people give the porn that I can access easily and for free online” thing than a “titles of porn productions that are sold on dvd or whatever” thing. Like, every video is titled something about bitches, or sluts, or whores, or worse, and, well… it’s just very dehumanizing.

To say nothing of all the size 8 women who are called fat or chubby or whatever, in a way that frames them as disgusting and/or fetish fodder. As a rather larger woman, it’s just kind of painful to look through every time I want to watch some people boning.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
7 years ago

@dustydeste

I have the same problem with porn. It’s almost impossible to get away from that language entirely. I have heard legends of porn that isn’t like that, but I have no idea where to find it or if it really exists. It’s like Atlantis.

@Athywren

Of course it’s manly! Look at how manly the man in the video is! Manly men like cute kitties :3

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

@baileyrenee

I dream of that porny Atlantis, where I can happily watch people bonking with no awful tinges of misogyny and rape culture. One day, one day…

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

That’s a fair point there… it’s been a while since I paid much attention to any of the easily-discovered porns and I totally failed to remember all the “cumslut whore” bullshit and its cousins. Last time I paid attention to the easily found stuff… let’s just say I feel very, very bad for having seen it. I, too, hope for the rise of Pornatlantis… I mean it’s much sexier and more fun to watch when it’s people who actually want to be there and aren’t being treated like meat anyway, so I don’t understand why there isn’t already some kind of public outcry for it… I guess because getting rid of the misogyny means the women enjoy themselves, which is misandry or something.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

Well, his definition of mangina porn is better than what my active imagination came up with… >_<

katz
7 years ago

On behalf of pig-men everywhere, I resent this pig-man slandering their good name.

Alice Sanguinaria
7 years ago

Myoo –

Lady: WHY ARE THERE SO MANY RATS IN THIS HOUSE?! DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Mice: Wait, I thought you said you loved us and that you’d be happy to marry us!

Lady: You LIED to me on who you are! You tricked me into having sex with you, only so that you can eat all of my cheese!

Mice: We’re mice. What are we supposed to do, starve? Negging you was fun, now go make me a sandwich!

Lady: DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *throws down kitchen knives*

Mice: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK! *runs*

(The mice are PUA/MRA assholes. So this is justified.)

katz
7 years ago

It’s funny how he says that feminists never criticize male homosexual porn because I’ve had about a billion conversations about the problems with the seme/uke dynamic.

katz
7 years ago

Basically the feminist relationship with yaoi:

Pros: Hot guys fucking!

Cons: Everything else.

katz
7 years ago

Well, the rape thing is a big part of the problem, but there are other issues with the seme/uke dynamic, too: The stereotyping, the question of whether it’s just mapping traditional het roles onto gay people (with the implication of “how could you possibly have a relationship if one person isn’t wearing the pants?”).

katz
7 years ago

Oh yeah, that too. Like a lot of people really like Starfighter, but I couldn’t get into it at all because it was just creepy and abusive.

Jayem Griffin
7 years ago

Of course the first kitteh is displeased! None of the humanslaves are petting it!

kittehserf
7 years ago

@Hyena Girl –

What a special magical universe they live in. Do you think we can get a dictionary across the dimensional boundary so that we can figure out how this almost English language they’re using actually works?
Because I’m sure that the words they’re using don’t mean the same thing here.

It already exists! 🙂 Created by the famed publishing house of Kittehserf & Co. (Hey, those’re cloudiah’s words, not mine.)

The Complete Manboobz Dictionary of MRA-English English-MRA

kittehserf
7 years ago

I read it as “firster” at fist.

I saw what you did there!

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
7 years ago

I haven’t read the comments yet, but the mystery of what exactly a mangina is or looks like has been solved over at Scalzi’s blog:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/10/02/kaiju-mangina/

AK
AK
7 years ago

The difficulty of getting away from those mainstream porn dynamics/terms is why I tend to prefer written erotica, and I suspect is a major reason why many other women do as well. I’d actually prefer to watch a video or whatever when I’m in the mood for that, but it’s so hard to find something that appeals to me and I have to sort through so much shit that disgusts me (and I don’t mean the acts, I mean the way the women are referred to in the titles even) that it’s just not worth it.

@kitteh, I just realized I never came back to the last thread I posted in with those cat rescue resources. Can you refresh my memory on what your friend needs? I remember she was in Illinois and something about kittens, and that’s about it. I’m sorry I’ve been so flaky, I’ve been on 14 SAR calls in 3 weeks (and it’s a volunteer job so that’s on top of all my other responsibilities) and it’s just drained me. I’m taking this weekend totally off to be lazy and have fun though,so I can definitely get you that information if your friend still needs it.

Right now though, I’m heading off to the dog park with my poor neglected puppy dogs. I’ll likely be back on later though…my husband is out of town and I’ve planned a nice quiet night in. 🙂

kittehserf
7 years ago

If we’re talking pig-men, you can’t go better than these:

The Dance Finale

katz
7 years ago

It’s a bummer about Starfighter because the art is lovely and the concept could have been interesting; I like erotica with an actual setting and plot beyond “people fuck.” But then they had to give the protagonists the worst relationship ever.

kittehserf
7 years ago

AK – no probs!

She has about half a dozen cats and kittens who need rehoming or at least free desexing. Bills and taxes and stuff have left her pretty much skint at the moment. She’s in Ogle County and last I heard the no-kill shelters in her area (near Rockford) are full.

cloudiah
7 years ago

@katz, Your pig-man is a thing of beauty and a joy forever, but it has also scarred my psyche permanently.

cloudiah
7 years ago

And idle question: Is that 20/20 thing with Paul Elam ever going to air, and if so, will it include footage from the largest, and most important MRM rally of the 21st century?

katz
7 years ago

Aww, why should Zhu Bajie scar your psyche? He is a beloved character from folklore!

augochlorella
7 years ago

Myoo, the picture you posted reminded me of this.

Still more datable than an MRA.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Pigs scare me. Not piglets, but big pigs. So to see one walking upright, with a rake… That will haunt my dreams. XD

emilygoddess
7 years ago

I was able to steal EIGHTEEN WHOLE TRAFFICS from the Men’s Rights subreddit

And that’s terrible.

(Sorry if someone already made that joke. My dinner break’s almost over and I am, once again, behind on the thread. Curse you, otherwise perfect evening/night job!)

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
7 years ago

Hmm, I guess I can’t really say I was ninja’d by Freemage when the ninja’ing was several hours earlier. Unless it was a sloth-ninja. Which, holy crap, is actually a thing. (Well, an internet thing.)

SittieKitty
7 years ago

I seriously dislike live porn. I think it looks gross and sticky. It’s a thing with me, I don’t like anything dirtying my hands or skin, so the look of live porn just is such a turnoff. I don’t mind drawn porn, since it doesn’t have that same issue… But yeah, live porn = super gross for me, and that’s not even mentioning all the issues inherent in the industry.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Live porn for me, from all the stills I’ve seen (never watched a video) just looks ultra boring these days, and the mainstream stuff – boring AND hateful. I’m not really into watching generalised other people doing sex. Plus, if it’s not a feminine-looking guy with long curly hair and a little moustache, then it’s a total turn-off.

Yaoi doesn’t appeal either; I don’t find manga art styles appealing in any context, let alone sexytimes.

Years ago I wrote a whole alt-history gay-romance novel about Louis, before I thought it would be possible for us to be together. Heavily illustrated and with lots of adult-only chapters, lol. These days? Not necessary and almost distasteful to me (not him, he’s not bothered) simply because it is fiction, however much it was written with love and a wish for him to be happy back in his earthly life.

Real current memories are much more fun. 😉

AK
AK
7 years ago

@kitteh, my quick check shows my contacts there are pretty overtapped too. 🙁 However I know several people involved in cat rescue in Illinois, not that area but in Chicago and Champaign/Urbana (sp?) so I might be able to scrounge up additional resources that aren’t widely publicized. I sent out a few emails, will keep you posted.

AK
AK
7 years ago

Er, I’m sure it’s clear, but just because of the timing I want to clarify that my previous post was cat-related, not porn-related. 😉

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

RE Yaoi, the stuff that people are specifically calling out as abusive actually is porting het relationships onto gay relationships in just as direct a way as the “top must be taller, bottom must be super submissive” thing. Have you seen any of the Japanese or Korean (or to a lesser extent Chinese) TV dramas aimed at women and young girls, particularly the ones based on manga? Brief summary – boy meets girl, spends 12-15 episodes telling her how ugly and stupid and spoiled and childish she is, and then it turns out that he liked her all along! And then when they get together he still “teases” her by calling her ugly, stupid, etc, and muses about how odd it is that he could love such a worthless girl. See any version of Playful Kiss or Boys Over Flowers (both based on manga). The sad thing is that these aren’t some middle aged dude’s idea of what women want, most of them have female authors.

kittehserf
7 years ago

AK – thank you!

And snorfle at your second comment. 😛

Cassandra – ugh, what a gross, abusive dynamic. Straight out misogyny.

Does anyone write variations where Boy tries this shit on Girl or Other Boy and gets his arse handed to him on a plate? One could only wish.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: AK

I was afraid that mangina porn was something to do with trans men or something

I don’t think these guys realize we exist. Sssh, nobody tell them!

RE: baileyrenee and dustydeste

I have heard legends of porn that isn’t like that, but I have no idea where to find it or if it really exists. It’s like Atlantis.

Ooh! Ooh! I can help with that, at least if you’re into written or comics porn!

hobbitdragon.tumblr.com
Queerotica comics
Take Me There (anthology of trans porn)
Take Me There
http://crashpadseries.com/
XXXenophile, by Phil Foglio
Maka Maka, by… uh… some guy I can’t remember
Small Favors, by Colleen Coover

RE: katz

a lot of people really like Starfighter, but I couldn’t get into it

Me either. The creepy fetishizing of rape and abuse really skeeves me.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Often the heroine starts out strongly objecting to the way the male lead treats her and thinking he’s a jerk, but then she realizes that he loves her, you see, so it’s OK. Often there is a secondary male lead who is much kinder and nicer to the female lead, and usually at least as good looking if not more so, but she just sees him as a friend/brother. I usually end up wondering why she didn’t prefer that guy.

I’m not sure why this relationship dynamic is so common in female-written manga, but it’s really really common. Shows up in other stuff not based on manga too, like the drama Full House, where the entire cast (except for the secondary male lead) spend the entire series telling the female lead that she’s just not pretty enough for the male lead to be interested in. To illustrate how ridiculous this is, this is what she looks like.

http://images.indexaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Song-Hye-kyo-8.jpg

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6300000/Song-Hye-Kyo-korean-dramas-6377453-500-500.jpg

Ally S
7 years ago

I’ve seen that trope a lot as well, CassandraSays. I feel relieved when I watch an anime that doesn’t include that trope. It’s one of the things that really pissed me off about Ranma 1/2 when I watched it.