I’ve read and watched and listened to a lot of creepy pickup artist crap over the past few years while writing this blog, but in some ways this little video, from PUA “coach” Julian of Real Social Dynamics, one of the bigger and better known of the commercial “game” marketers, may well be the creepiest. Essentially, Julian provides tips to young men on how to “get” the girl of their dreams by temporarily driving her out of her mind.
No, really: he recommends that men overwhelm their female targets with confusing and contradictory stimuli to throw them so off-balance they’ll reflexively turn to their mental tormenters for support (and, maybe later, reward them with sex). This isn’t pick-up artistry so much as freak-out artistry.
The one thing about this video that is vaguely reassuring is that Julian’s examples of his technique in action are so crude and hamhanded I seriously doubt they’d actually work on anyone “in field,” as the PUAs like to say. What’s not so reassuring is that anyone would actually come up with something this predatory and perverse in the first place. Also, you know that at least a few of the video’s 32,000 viewers have actually tried out this technique on annoyed and bewildered women around the world. The world doesn’t really need any new ways for dudes to be assholes in clubs.
Aw, how special. Real Social Dynamics, the company that brought us Jeffy the “Rape Van” guy, who calls women racial slurs and throws angry tantrums when he gets rejected, has now blessed the world with Julian “Try to confuse women into having sex with you”. It’s like the asshole factory that keeps on giving.
auggz – exactly, and someone who’s being accidentally creepy is going to want to know so as not to do it again! Someone who doesn’t care if they’re creepy or not, even if they don’t actively try to manipulate, is just being an asshole.
LOL at the idea of wanting to take whatever Mr Pale And Sweaty’s taking. It seems like a really crappy batch if he’s a good example of the effects. 😛
How do actual people watch these guys and go “Now there’s a guy who’s got women all figured out! Let me spend thousands of my dollars/hours of my life learning all his secrets.”?
I keep saying PUA is like the sex equivalent of get rich quick schemes, but it still baffles me that so many guys eat this stuff up.
Actual people who’re as fucking stupid and misogynistic as he is, presumably, because they see women as fucktoys with locks on: figure out the combination or break the lock, it doesn’t really matter as long as you get your dick wet. They’ve an added layer of credulity, because they’re being taken in by his rubbish. (Exhibit A: Antisocial Kenny.)
LBT, I’m a little further north than Texas. If you’re passing through Ontario I’d love to meet up with you.
As for the shitstain in the OP, I’d be thinking “what the fuck is wrong with this dude?” and also “this isn’t a new technique, some other idiot tried it on me twenty years ago”. I suppose the key saving grace for me was that I was at the club and stone sober when it was tried. The technique might be somewhat questionable in efficacy, until you factor in alcohol or drugs which are common at night clubs and parties (the favored preying grounds of puas).
Not so much his vaunted technique as the effects of alcohol in slowing down the brains ability to process ndw info or react to sudden changes appropriately.
Pillowinhell has a point, if you’re already rather drunk and some fool starts swinging from one emotion to the next on a dime, and you’re the sort of drunk who gets all hyperfocused on one thing.…yeah, I can see this working under those circumstances. Which makes it even rapier.
Trying this on someone on MDMA (the only non-pot drug I know of being common at parties)…I’m gonna get stabby. That one…normally it’s a blast, I’d say everything slows down, but that isn’t right, more like…you’ll catch every note in the music perfectly, and get all emotionally involved in it. Which means if you have some asshole going from I love you to I hat you in five seconds, yeah, your brain is going to shut right the fuck down. Like, cruel and unusual punishment levels of wrongness. To use that to fuck someone who’d have probably said yes if you’d just been interesting and then asked…so wrong (I have thoughts on MDMA sex, but that’s rather a digression from the topic [I recommend it *IF* you already know each other and having sex is a thing you intend to do with each other, not that you have to plan it, but a standing partner? ENJOY!])
pillowinhell – that’s a good point, that a person would have to be vulnerable already because of drugs/alcohol to be thrown by this sort of nonsense. Otherwise, like you said – you’d (general you) think “This idiotic creep’s had a few too many” and move away, or maybe just be amused by his loserdom being on display.
*I hate you
I hat pecunium (no really! Pecunium, my hat retrieval skillz mean I hat’ed you!)
Got home and finally watched the video. He talks a lot about how confused the woman’s surroundings become. “Everything around her becomes chaos.” “It becomes you and her vs the world.” Dude, no. You are chaotic. There’s a whole wide world outside of you. Do you think a woman’s whole awareness shrinks to you when you strike up a conversation with her?
Viscaria – Well, women aren’t people, right? If women aren’t people, how do you expect women to act like people? That doesn’t make sense!
/sarcasm
Argenti – re: getting stabby. Not literally, but could someone on MDMA or whatever get violent if some jackass tried this on them? Just occurs to me that PUA could be putting himself at risk in that case … and call me nasty, but the words “Discworld karma” come to mind.
On ecstasy? That…seems improbable. Drugs don’t really make you stabby, by and large. I dunno, maybe if you were freaking out on a bad LSD trip and you thought Julian was a giant spider or something? But then it wouldn’t matter much what Julian actually did.
IME, Kitteh’s, I’d have had to work to get violent with anyone on MDMA. I’d probably just walk away from an asshole doing this. I’d get in their face if sober.
How stupid does he think we are? Gaslighting piece of shit trying it on on a total stranger =/= her protector and fixed point. He’s the nuisance, the bug on the screen.
Thanks, katz, hellkell! 🙂
Also LOL at getting in his face while sober. I’d rather enjoy that epic destruction of PUA efforts.
Yeah, I don’t see it happening. The extremes between happy and sad from asshole may cause the same in his victim, and thus a case of “make it stop” since he idea you can just disengage from it probably wouldn’t occur. But actually violent? Probably not. Screaming maybe, but from confusion, not anger.
Actually, getting violent with him if he tried this on you while drunk seems far more likely. Mostly since violent drunks are a well known thing.
Or maybe he’ll disorient someone drunk so badly that she throws up on him.
I would love to watch a reality show with PUAs hitting on hellkell and CassandraSays and getting epically destroyed. I know it seems mean to put beloved manboobzers in that situation over and over, but I bet they’d get filthy rich.
I truly hope so!
There you go! The manboobz get rich quick scheme — how to spot and resist PUAs, seminars at half the price the PUAs are paying!
I’d do it. It’d be fun.
MBZ How to Spot and Resist PUAs, Lesson #1: Weird-ass comments about your nails.
Puking TMI:
I’d be quite happy to see PUAs epically destroyed or just vomited on. I don’t have a strong stomach but in that case I’d risk it.
Come to think of it, having a weak stomach could be useful around PUAs. Think of something* stomach-churning and let rip right on their shoes.
*apart from the PUAs themselves, I mean.
Lesson 2: PUA or Coke Addled Jackass?
I could vomit on them, it would only take about four drinks.