So over on A Voice for Men, the regulars are all congratulating one another for their grand victory in Toronto. In AVFM’s official post on Saturday’s tiny “rally,” incongruously titled “Historic MHRA rally in Toronto huge success,” Elam — who in photographs of the events looked rather befuddled by it all — declared that the day had been magical for him:
“This was one of the greatest things I have ever done in my life,” said Elam. “Meeting all of these people and talking to a crowd that was five times bigger than the opposition was a remarkable event.”
Given that most of the opposition made a clear decision to ignore the AVFM/CAFE rally and lecture — much to the obvious disappointment of many MRAs who were there in Toronto or watching on the sidelines on the Internet — this was not much of an accomplishment.
Other commenters on AVFM were equally effusive.
“It’s an amazing day!” declared Tara J. Palmatier, the Men’s Rights therapist. “What a fantastic turnout, congrats to all the people who took part in this momentous rally,” wrote the easily impressed Onca747. “This truly is a historic moment,” agreed Unregistard. “OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” added JJ.
Not to be outdone, Attila L. Vinczer of Canada Courtwatch, one of the speakers at the “rally,” declared it to have been both a “COLOSSAL” and a “complete success,” adding that
Saturday, September 28, 2013 will be remembered in history as one of the most important turning points for Men and Boys in Crisis.
The obvious question is: Do they know?
Do they know what a miserable failure their little rally was?
This was to be the great shining moment for the burgeoning Mens (Human) Rights Movement. It was trumpeted in no less than 17 posts on AVFM itself and in numerous other posts on affiliated and sympathetic sites elsewhere. Numerous MRAs flew in to be there. And the event drew … a tiny handful of rank-and-file MRAs and other onlookers. I’ve seen bigger crowds waiting for a bus. (See the pictures here to see how tiny this “historic” rally really was; see here for people making fun of those pictures.)
A Voice for Men has a long-established habit of promising big and delivering tiny, or not at all.
Oftentimes, the site simply moves on, and hopes no one remembers the promises and/or predictions.
In this case, they seem to be trying to cover up a giant failure through the sheet power of their own bluster.
Or do they really believe their own nonsense?
Recently, I read the classic sociological study When Prophecy Fails, by Leon Festinger, Henry Riecken, and Stanley Schachter. It’s a study of a small UFO cult led by a woman named Dorothy Martin who claimed to have received messages from planet Clarion predicting an imminent apocalypse in the early morning of December 21, 1954. The researchers — in a move that would now be considered completely unethical — managed to infiltrate the group, and so had a cult-members-eye-view to watch what happened when this prophecy (SPOILER ALERT) didn’t come true.
There are a couple of aspects of Ms. Martin’s story that I think are relevant here. Prior to her big failed prediction — and the collapse of her little cult — Martin made a number of smaller failed predictions, claiming that the aliens had told her when and where they would be landing their ships. Each time, she and some of her followers went to their alien appointments and waited, only to be stood up. And each time, Martin’s imaginary alien friends came up with an excuse for their absence which somehow mollified her followers.
When the apocalypse itself failed to appear, to the great consternation of her followers, Martin again turned to her alien friends for an explanation, and told her followers that their efforts had so pleased the aliens that they had decided to not destroy the world after all.
Instead of rejecting this as obvious nonsense, her most fervent followers grabbed onto this explanation excitedly. After days of dodging the press — which had been writing jokey stories about the group as they prepared for the end — the group members eagerly started calling every reporter they could think of to share the good news about the earth’s reprieve.
In other words, the failed prophecy, in the short term, actually served to invigorate the group and strengthen the beliefs of its truest true believers — as they tried to combat their unconscious sense of disappointment with ever-more-frantic activity.
But only for the most fervent followers. Those who weren’t in direct contact with Martin faded away from the group.
The sociologists didn’t really get a chance to see what would have happened with the true believers because the real world intruded on the cult in other ways: Police threatened to arrest Martin for contributing to the delinquency of minors (by scaring them with her UFO stories) and suggested that she might be sent to a mental hospital. She went into hiding, and her group dissolved. Two years later Festinger’s book was published.
But Martin hadn’t vanished forever. Several years later she emerged again as a proto-new age guru, and she continued channeling her same alien friends for many decades until her death in 1992.
So on the one hand, she managed to keep peddling her bullshit for as long as she lived even after being proved catastrophically wrong again and again.
On the other hand, she never became the great prophet she imagined herself to be, and has gone down in history as little more than a footnote in the history of People Who Were Completely Wrong About Everything.
There may be a lesson or two here.
For more about Martin and her group, see here. If you’ve got a Kindle, you can get an ebook version of When Prophecy Fails cheap on Amazon.
That reel asian film festival is oddly similar to a group photo I took with friends at a benefit show only we were mostly white people and it’s freaking me out. If I wasn’t on my tablet I’d post it.
So here’s Elam’s take on the whole thing.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/reflecting-on-toronto/
Along with the predictable self-contratulation, 2 things worthy of note:
1) Apparently he got in a bit of trouble with the police there b/c people from his side went over and tried to provoke shit with the counterprotesters (in the video I noticed our pal Nick Reading in his sandwich board being led back to the MRA side by the cops after visiting the counterprotesters).
2) Elam spends about half his post taking their own speaker (Miles Groth, the one who gave the lecture on friday) to task for one sentence in his talk praising the White Ribbon campaign and Walk A Mile In Her Shoes events.
BECAUSE THE GREAT AND MIGHTY ELAM HAS DECLARED THOSE THINGS TO BE EVIL MISANDRY. NO ONE MUST DISPUTE THE MIGHTY ELAM.
Good luck building your movement, dude who can’t stand anyone disagreeing with him about anything ever.
Ah, I notice in the comments that Groth has “clarified” his statement with something that seems to say, oh I didn’t really say those words, I said some similar words and I didn’t really mean it, I really meant the opposite, I was just trying to smooth things over for any feminists listening.
Paul seems to accept the apology.
Putting aside the weirdness of Groth’s self-contradictory explanation, shouldn’t Paul have maybe contacted him first before attacking him in public over what he thought he had said?
Wow, dude had to “clarify” to Paul Elam for maybe accidentally sounding like a decent and fair person for a second . . . what kind of backwards land is this . . .
I’m assuming this means “there were four people at the event.”
Katz: http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/OohBurn.gif
That, or the same person tapped him four times.
I’m guessing Elam did that because he liked people being scared that if they upset him he’ll throw them out of the treehouse.
Kitteh: Actually, as written, that’s exactly what it sounds like.
I notice he frankly admits to making a mistake with people provoking the counterprotesters. I wonder about the role of such admissions in self-worship. In my experience, people who build up those kinds of worshipful cults of personality revolving around their absolute authority and rightness actually do tend to admit to certain mistakes. But they’ll be mistakes from long ago, or clearly trivial ones, or–best of all–ones that actually reinforce their general message (ie, “I broke my own rule”).
So the overall effect is to further consolidate the power of their image by increasing their apparent humanity and making themselves relatable (hence why the mistakes are admitted in a frank, kinda jokey or self-deprecating way) and to strengthen their message by giving the impression that it can’t be mistaken because, if it were, they would admit it.
I remember Mark Driscoll being exactly like this, for instance.
Being around Driscoll must have been great training for spotting manipulative people in general.
I’ll say that sounds surreal. If we take him at his word the “soiree” at the, “tavern” was more populated than the actual event.
Which means either he’s full of it, or the people who were so eager to glad hand him in private aren’t willing to show their faces where they might be associated with him in public.
I also note his “admission” comes with the word mistakes in scare quotes (i.e. they weren’t “really” mistakes, they only look like it, when seen from a distance).
The re-interpreting (i.e. establishing a party line of politically correct meaning for the things Gross said) was amazing. It read like a Communist Party Directive from the middle-fifties, right down to the “emmendation” Gross made to say, “yes, that was exactly what I was trying to say”.
katz: Note that it’s also not HIS error he’s acknowledging. Rather, he’s noting that some of the people in his ragtag crew of Brave Heroes [TM] were in violation of the assurances they had given the police. So it was just him not cracking down hard enough on misconduct by his minions. And everyone knows minions are a pain to wrangle, right? This isn’t him acknowledging an error, so much as him stepping up to the duties of being a True Leader.
feminist establishment strategy is to simultaneously decry the movement publicly as a threat AND declare them losers that no one pays attention to. Lise Gotell gets national news attention through them AND pretends they are beneath her to engage.
Honestly, I admire it. The higher ups thought it out. And the personality disordered hench-women on this blog follow right along.
blah blah blah. tell us something original.
I demand a “Personality Disordered Hench-Woman” T-shirt.
I’d like a Personally Disordered Hench-Woman one. It’d describe the state of my bedroom perfectly.
T-shirt? Feh. COMMIT, katz. I’m getting a “Personality Disordered Hench-Woman” tattoo.
Personally Disordered Minions? Because PDM is totally not used for anything else! (We’re data management! Or maybe a Democratic Party)
It can say personality disordered minion on the front and have argenti’s misandry chair on the back – i swear one day i will get that on a t-shirt…
::snorfle:: Sir just dropped a comment that I’m his personally disordered henchwoman.
*dies laughing* you like it that much? I’m flattered!
I love that image. I will absolutely get it on a shirt eventually. Maybe a sweater.
Now there’d be a knitting pattern for the ages – the Hard Chair of Misandry!
I guess I’d be the Multiple Personality Disordered Henchman…
Or henchpersons, to include everyone in the system?
I kind of like henchpersons. 🙂