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Confused losers at A Voice for Men congratulate themselves on their COLOSSAL SUCCESS in Toronto

Derek Zoolander: Also a little delusional sometimes
Derek Zoolander: Also a little delusional sometimes

So over on A Voice for Men, the regulars are all congratulating one another for their grand victory in Toronto. In AVFM’s official post on Saturday’s tiny “rally,” incongruously titled “Historic MHRA rally in Toronto huge success,” Elam — who in photographs of the events looked rather befuddled by it all — declared that the day had been magical for him:

“This was one of the greatest things I have ever done in my life,” said Elam. “Meeting all of these people and talking to a crowd that was five times bigger than the opposition was a remarkable event.”

Given that most of the opposition made a clear decision to ignore the AVFM/CAFE rally and lecture — much to the obvious disappointment of many MRAs who were there in Toronto or watching on the sidelines on the Internet — this was not much of an accomplishment.

Other commenters on AVFM were equally effusive.

“It’s an amazing day!” declared Tara J. Palmatier, the Men’s Rights therapist. “What a fantastic turnout, congrats to all the people who took part in this momentous rally,” wrote the easily impressed Onca747. “This truly is a historic moment,” agreed Unregistard. “OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” added JJ.

Not to be outdone, Attila L. Vinczer of Canada Courtwatch, one of the speakers at the “rally,” declared it to have been both a “COLOSSAL” and a “complete success,” adding that

Saturday, September 28, 2013 will be remembered in history as one of the most important turning points for Men and Boys in Crisis.

The obvious question is: Do they know?

Do they know what a miserable failure their little rally was?

This was to be the great shining moment for the burgeoning Mens (Human) Rights Movement. It was trumpeted in no less than 17 posts on AVFM itself and in numerous other posts on affiliated and sympathetic sites elsewhere. Numerous MRAs flew in to be there. And the event drew … a tiny handful of rank-and-file MRAs and other onlookers. I’ve seen bigger crowds waiting for a bus. (See the pictures here to see how tiny this “historic” rally really was; see here for people making fun of those pictures.)

A Voice for Men has a long-established habit of promising big and delivering tiny, or not at all.

Oftentimes, the site simply moves on, and hopes no one remembers the promises and/or predictions.

In this case, they seem to be trying to cover up a giant failure through the sheet power of their own bluster.

Or do they really believe their own nonsense?

Recently, I read the classic sociological study When Prophecy Fails, by  Leon Festinger, Henry Riecken, and Stanley Schachter. It’s a study of a small UFO cult led by a woman named Dorothy Martin who claimed to have received messages from planet Clarion predicting an imminent apocalypse in the early morning of December 21, 1954. The researchers — in a move that would now be considered completely unethical — managed to infiltrate the group, and so had a cult-members-eye-view to watch what happened when this prophecy (SPOILER ALERT) didn’t come true.

There are a couple of aspects of Ms. Martin’s story that I think are relevant here. Prior to her big failed prediction — and the collapse of her little cult — Martin made a number of smaller failed predictions, claiming that the aliens had told her when and where they would be landing their ships. Each time, she and some of her followers went to their alien appointments and waited, only to be stood up. And each time, Martin’s imaginary alien friends came up with an excuse for their absence which somehow mollified her followers.

When the apocalypse itself failed to appear, to the great consternation of her followers, Martin again turned to her alien friends for an explanation, and told her followers that their efforts had so pleased the aliens that they had decided to not destroy the world after all.

Instead of rejecting this as obvious nonsense, her most fervent followers grabbed onto this explanation excitedly. After days of dodging the press — which had been writing jokey stories about the group as they prepared for the end — the group members eagerly started calling every reporter they could think of to share the good news about the earth’s reprieve.

In other words, the failed prophecy, in the short term, actually served to invigorate the group and strengthen the beliefs of its truest true believers — as they tried to combat their unconscious sense of disappointment with ever-more-frantic activity.

But only for the most fervent followers. Those who weren’t in direct contact with Martin faded away from the group.

The sociologists didn’t really get a chance to see what would have happened with the true believers because the real world intruded on the cult in other ways: Police threatened to arrest Martin for contributing to the delinquency of minors (by scaring them with her UFO stories) and suggested that she might be sent to a mental hospital. She went into hiding, and her group dissolved. Two years later Festinger’s book was published.

But Martin hadn’t vanished forever. Several years later she emerged again as a proto-new age guru, and she continued channeling her same alien friends for many decades until her death in 1992.

So on the one hand, she managed to keep peddling her bullshit for as long as she lived even after being proved catastrophically wrong again and again.

On the other hand, she never became the great prophet she imagined herself to be, and has gone down in history as little more than a footnote in the history of People Who Were Completely Wrong About Everything.

There may be a lesson or two here.

For more about Martin and her group, see here. If you’ve got a Kindle, you can get an ebook version of When Prophecy Fails cheap on Amazon.

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sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

@jonatma420

Who, exactly, are you trying to convince? 😀

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

jonatma420 – Weren’t you guys gearing up for yet another confrontation with harpies feminists in order to dox them and scare them away?

cloudiah
11 years ago

They said themselves (avfm) that they were expecting about 100 to 200 people.

And they got about 50, if you count the journalists, photographers, and police. But thanks for cartoon-villaining here, it’s always amusing.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Hey, less than a quarter to less than half of the expected turnout is a resounding success. If you say otherwise it’s just because you hate men.

Trae Dorn
11 years ago

Rule of thumb: if your massively promoted rally for your movement draws fewer attendees than the number of vendors at a small town juggling convention, you’ve failed. Watching AVFM celebrate this is like watching someone being proud of chewing their own hand off.

Juliet
Juliet
11 years ago

Huh. AVFM reports that the numbers were over 100, whereas photographic evidence would seem to point to a total closer to 25 or so. At the most. How is this a success?

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

It was almost as large as the 2nd San Francisco chemtrail protest (another groundbreaking success – suck it, science!)

http://aircrap.org/warm-reception-second-san-francisco-chemtrail-protest/337165/

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

It appears that most men went their own way while the rally was on… to more interesting and fun things. 🙂

What was the *point* of the rally?

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Maude LL – In the comments, “set out bowls, jars etc with white vinegar and water to KILL chemtrails!!!:.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

katz
11 years ago

Gosh, jonatma sure sounds like he’s laughing at us and not seething with impotent fury.

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
11 years ago

I think any way you slice it, their wee shindig was a failure, since they didn’t actually do anything to help men and boys.

If I just want to see my mates I know through activism, I call it that. I don’t call it ‘The State-Smashing Superpalooza 2013’ and pat myself on the back for chilling with people.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

thenat, how unkind! They made posters and took photos. Some photos even had the front of people’s heads in them.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

When I get together with friends who have a similar political outlook to hang out and talk shop we usually call it “dinner”.

marci
11 years ago

Well from their perspective I guess a few dozen people is a lot of people. I mean, I work 3rd shift so I don’t get out much and I am naturally kind of a hermit aaand even I don’t think that looked like a big group. You see more people in the mall parking lot just traveling to and from their cars than that. Like someone said, I have seen more people waiting for the bus (central terminal in Green Bay WI) than that. But in all I am glad to see that they are as pathetic in real life as all their bravado seems to suggest.

marci
11 years ago

Jonatma can maybe bottle those tears of impotent rage and sell them along side the fine vintages of the past such as bitter tears of the right-wing reactionary after Obama got his second term. 😀

katz
11 years ago

I have been to one-year-olds’ birthday parties bigger than this, although they were also bigger than any birthday party I’ve had, so maybe I just know popular one year olds.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
11 years ago

I’m also wondering what they actually did besides have one or two people walk around with sandwhich boards and proclaim through a microphone that they’re ready to fight the reds. Did they promote charity organizations that would help men (obviously not counting AVFM since they don’t seem to do anything but pay Paul Elam’s rent)? Did they dicuss plans to open a men’s dosmestic abuse or homeless shelter? Did they talk about the harm of circumsion? Did they encourage the audience to put money towards creating new forms of male birth control? Did they stress the importance of men seeing the doctor more often and seeking help when feeling suicidal?

Or did they just pump themselves for a few hours and talk about how proud their kids are of them?

This kind of thing makes it obvious that helping people is second to forming a big, loud, obnoxious club.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
11 years ago

Whoops, pump themselves should be pump themselves *up.* Sounds dirty how I wrote it.

Seranvali
Seranvali
11 years ago

I have to wonder how many of the people in those photos were counter protestors. I was under the impression that there were also a small number of counter protestors as well but by and large their “groundbreaking” rally was ignored by the local feminists.

Also your point about “When Prophesy Fails” is a very good one. I studied this while I was at university and subsequently and this is a common phenomenon. People who’ve invested time, energy, money and love in a community with a common goal, such as the one described will keep on finding excuses for their prophesy failing for decades, sometimes centuries given committment and a sense of persecution. The feeling of being persecuted is the lifeblood of this type of group. Martyrdom is a powerful thing. So is holding together against an unenlightened world. “We have a powerful secret. We know the Truth and the World hates us for it.” My husband is a former Moonie, he was in the process of leaving when we met and the dynamic between the group and it’s individual members was so powerful that the members often had trouble redefining who they were if they left. It’s far more difficult online because you can’t create a “total system” but the ability to talk to people all over the world could partially make up for that. I think that’s the kind of thing the MRAs are trying for. After all their beliefs are no more daft than spacemen planning to destroy the earth or Rev. Moon having been the Messiah.

Seranvali
Seranvali
11 years ago

Bailyrenee:

I don’t understand this. They could have used the opportunity to actually lobby, to drum up support for any number of perfectly good ideas. They could have talked about the need for services to help for male victims of domestic violence, men’s health initiatives, any one of dozens of things that would actually have helped and drawn people in and enlisted their support. I really believe that people only need to have these things pointed out and some leadership and, with some serious work they could become a reality. But they just want to complain about women and feminism. We’ve done this kind of thing. It’s difficult but it will happen if you’re prepared to do the work. But for all their talk they aren’t prepared to roll up their sleeves and get on with it in the real word, they’d rather feed their own resentment with daft urban myths online.

Seranvali
Seranvali
11 years ago

Oooops, the italics monster got me! Helphelp!!

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
11 years ago

It’s alright, the Reddit contingent have been doing An Activism!

One of them found a blog post I wrote about them 18 months ago on a blog I haven’t updated in a year and have been trying to leave comments on it, getting increasingly annoyed that I won’t publish them. Oh and calling my Twitter feed ‘horrific’ which is odd since my recent tweets have been on the subjects of a) Seeing Terry Pratchett, b) the strange things you see on top of bus stops and c) my rats.

Well all the white cis straight able-bodied neurotypical middle class men can sleep well tonight.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
11 years ago

*Beats the italics monster away with a stick*

They seem to think that just by complaining hard enough, all these things that require money will just happen on their own. Granted, a lot of people think this way, but that’s no excuse. For a group that claims to care so much, want change so badly, and spend so much time writing about these things, they sure don’t seem to get much done.

The only one who actually tried to do something was WhollyBumbleBee, and AVFM hates her now (no idea if the allegations against her are true). You would think they would at least do the kinds of things she wanted to do, like set up safehouses and a domestic violence shelter.

armondikov
11 years ago

Never underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance.

Malitia
Malitia
11 years ago

They seem to think that just by complaining hard enough, all these things that require money will just happen on their own.

As they seem to believe that women … um… females can get anything by crying it must be obviously misandry to expect anything more from men.

/sarcasm