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Nick Reading of Men’s Rights Edmonton: “If they didn’t scream [no], how else would I get an erection?”

Nick Reading: Men's Rights rape joker
Nick Reading: Men’s Rights rape joker

So a helpful Twitterer told me that I was a frequent topic of conversation on A Voice for Men’s Honey Badger “radio” show last night — that’s the one hosted by Karen Straughan (Girl Writes What) and Alison Tieman (Typhon Blue) and a newer addition to AVFM’s FeMRA stable named Della Burton. Bored, I went over to take a listen to the archived show. Well, bits and pieces of it, anyway. Life is short, and every minute of this show felt about an hour long.

Anyway, I missed most of whatever it was they said about me, but I did manage to force myself to sit through a good chunk of the segment featuring none other than Nick Reading, the guy who’s running a joke campaign for city council of Edmonton Alberta as the “Patriarchy Party” candidate.  You know, the dude we talked about just yesterday.

The gals did their best to play along with his over-the-top patriarchal schtick, proclaiming themselves submissive inferior females unworthy of his manly phallus, and so on. It was as gratingly unfunny as you might imagine, and it went on and on. Even the Honey Badgers, perhaps wondering if this whole segment wasn’t a rather apt metaphor for their own role within A Voice for Men and the Men’s Rights movement at large, couldn’t quite bring themselves to laugh at any of Nick’s, er, humor.

At least not until, about 49 minutes into the show, he brought out the rape jokes.

Take a listen:

Paul “The Thought of Fucking Your Shit Up Gives Me an Erection” Elam, meet Nick “If They Didn’t Scream No, How Else Would I Get an Erection” Reading.

In case you weren’t able to make all that out, due to the clear-as-mud sound engineering job of AVFM’s James Huff — you may remember him as the guy responsible for this amazing rant — I have transcribed the exchange below as best I could, cutting out a few repeated phrases and ignoring some remarks that got buried under other remarks.

Nick Reading: No never means no. It only means yes. That’s an understanding that we have within the patriarchy.

Karen Straughan: It is.

Alison Tieman: That’s true. Actually “no” should be stricken from the English language because it simply makes no sense. How could any woman ever say no to the holy phallus unless she was criminally insane?

Nick: Criminally insane, yes.

Della Burton [?]: Criminally, yes.

Karen: But, but we shouldn’t strike “no” from all the dictionaries and the lexicons of language simply because there are numerous times in the course of a day when a man loves to say “no” to a woman.

Nick: I would almost insist on striking it from the non-male vernacular but if they didn’t scream it, how else would I get an erection?

[Awkward pause]

[Laughter]

Della [?]: Oh my goodness.

Karen: Right, you’re right.

Della: I hadn’t even thought of that.

Karen: So no is still in.

A Voice for Men: Promoting Human Rights, One Rape Joke at a Time

EDITED TO ADD:  Below, a video on YouTube about this episode of Honey Badger radio, which not only looks at the show itself but at what was going on in the official chatroom for the show at the time, which turns out to be even creepier than the stuff said by Nick Reading on the show itself.

Along with the standard MRA misogyny from some of AVFM’s regulars, there were bizarre sexualized comments directed at the so-called Honey Badgers themselves: one commenter went on at length about how he wanted to use Karen Straughan’s breast milk in his coffee (and spike her coffee with his semen). Palani provides screenshots and everything. Some of her commentary is a bit problematic — she refers to them as “retards” at one point — but if you’ve got 15 minutes it’s worth a watch.

[VIDEO REMOVED BY REQUEST OF VIDEOMAKER]

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Feminist Bees
8 years ago

Life is short, and every minute of this show felt about an hour long.

This a million times over. I have only ever watched an entire GWW video twice. Both times was in short sessions interrupted by pauses and fits of laughter or to clean up my kitty’s bullshit induced vomits.

Her libertarian “conference” video is somewhat worthwhile. It’s funny because she can’t actually speak to “real” people (see a video of her being interviewed by Edmonton news for further proof).

I also watched a video of hers that was posted to /r/AskFeminists. I made up a response countering her arguments. Oddly enough, someone wasted money to give me gold.

Long story short. Gazing at a youtube frame filled with 80% GWW is detrimental to your cats health.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Speaking of GWW…

An anthropologist takes on GWW and the theory of male disposability.

I thought this was really good. Language is a little academic, but then it was written by an academic.

dlouwe
dlouwe
8 years ago

So the MRM is false-flagging themselves?

Just stop for a moment and think about how this looks to an outside observer to see the Men’s Rights Movement support the Patriarchy Party – someone who has no context of the MRM and how they think Feminists think about them.

Sure I can see that they’re trying to show that the mainstream public doesn’t support “The Patriarchy” so it must not exist, but that’s much the same as trying to show that violence doesn’t exist by running a Violence Party. And not only is the idea terrible from the foundation, now they’ll forever be known as the people that ran a political party on a platform of misogyny. At best people will see it as a joke and pass it over, at worst they’ve successfully associated themselves with (more) overt misogyny.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Dustydeste — but did he have to pay to get in?!

I love that movie.

As for the OP…*noptopuses away*

*noptopuses back* Baby-Q Pit! *dies* *revives* *zombie noptopuses away*

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

Argenti – Yesss that movie is awesome! I… I kinda love how everyone vomits blueberry pie filling even though they aren’t the ones eating blueberry pies? I’m somewhat unsure if that’s an acceptable thing to be enthusiastic about?

I’m kinda worried about the Baby-Q, though; we’re not going to feast on Falconer’s babies, right?! Because I don’t exactly want to devour them; I just want a tiiiiny nibble.

Athywren
Athywren
8 years ago

Speaking of GWW…

An anthropologist takes on GWW and the theory of male disposability.

I thought this was really good. Language is a little academic, but then it was written by an academic.

We should be careful of arguments from authority, which is kind of what the first sentence of it is, but that’s an interesting read. I was surprised at how much of it mirrored my own opinions (I am very much not an anthropologist.) and yet was entirely unsurprised by the responses to it.

Alice Sanguinaria
8 years ago

You know… just READING the transcript was painful. I don’t know if I want to listen to it.

Feminist Bees
8 years ago

BTW, does anyone know what “Feminism’s Pimp Hand” means. I saw it a while back, and through I really want to know the details of the “argument” I also really don’t want to listen to GWW or TB’s voice. halp!

katz
8 years ago

Part of me thinks that radio shows, podcats, vlogs, etc exist to deflect criticism by making it as painful as possible for critics to hear what you’re saying.

troutkitty
troutkitty
8 years ago

He makes me want to make Edmonton City Police to circulate his photograph to unsolved rapes, he’s so smug. But he’s probably a prince at skirting the line between what is rape and what can be charged as rape. Fuck that line.

SittieKitty
8 years ago

It’s more of a chasm than a line, really…

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Dustydeste — but what’s Pluto?!

And yeah, I think the blueberry thing is weird. Idk that I’d say “enthusiastic”, but I get your interest in when the next train is due it.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
8 years ago

Oh wow. That was a very uncomfortable moment. After that pause when someone goes “oh!” and then does that soft laughter it reminds me of when older family members chuckle at a bad joke a child makes just to humour them.

It’s exactly the same as when newscasters force a laugh when the weatherman makes a shit joke. Except this time it’s super-duper edgy-wedgy. If you’re going to do risque humour you should be funny enough to actually make people laugh out loud, not force a mildly approving giggle and an “oh.”

grumpycatisagirl
8 years ago

Seconding Katz. I tried listening to that podcast b/c I was curious what they were saying about Manboobz. But skipped around a bit and I didn’t hear what they said about Manboobz, and I’m not going to listen any to more of it because . . . podcast is boring awful hell.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
8 years ago

@grumpycatisagirl

I know, right? I thought this type of humour was supposed to be all exciting and outrageous, not drawn out and dull.

Humour and graphic design: two things I never see done well in the MRM (as well as activism and other not as important things).

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

Argenti – Pluto’s a dog! But what’s Goofy!?

The blueberry thing just puts the scene over-the-top hilarious for me. I’m not sure why, but it’s definitely on my list of best things despite the fact that it’s disgusting. Maybe because it makes me think of the part from The Goonies where Chunk describes instigating a puking incident in a movie theater.

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

Aaaand I realize bringing that up makes it sound like I’m just really into people all vomiting, but I assure you it is not the case, and is more just my appreciation of synergy between great movies. Yes.

katz
8 years ago

Honestly, even when it’s people I like talking about stuff I like, I find podcasts an incredibly tiresome format. I only even listened to Geekually Yoked once and that’s a Christian geek feminist podcast. It’s like it was made for me.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I think podcasts were made as a sleep aid. Glad to know I’m not the only one.

Cthulhu's Intern
8 years ago

Or how about this one:

Yes, it’s fucking Dane Cook doing it right. If Dane Cook can do it right, none of these comedians have any fucking excuse.

cloudiah
8 years ago

I can listen to podcasts only when I am walking to and from work; at other times I will invariably become distracted by something else, and suddenly realize that I haven’t been paying attention to the podcast for like 10 minutes. Somehow I don’t think this podcast is going to make it into my regular rotation.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
8 years ago

Dear diary,

I saw Dane Cook actually be funny today.

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

The only podcasts I’ve found that I enjoy are basically just stories-read-aloud deals, Escape Pod and PodCastle being my go-tos. (Pseudopod’s supposed to be good for horror stuff, but that’s not really my schtick.)

Athywren
Athywren
8 years ago

Welcome To Nightvale is good for a Lovecraft style not-horror-but-really-creepy-sometimes podcast…
I always try to listen to podcasts that challenge my own opinion, I have Reasonable Faith, Skeptico and a few others subscribed, but I have to really force myself to listen to them. I found one called “Skeptically Yours” a month or two ago, but I haven’t been able to bring myself to listen to them yet because… well:
ep 28: Rape is NOT funny! Well, maybe a little.
ep 30: Trigger Warning… Rape! Hehehehehe
ep 37: TRIGGER WARNING! No one was raped in the making of this podcast… sadly.
For some reason, I’m having a hard time mustering the desire to listen to them laugh at rape.

katz
8 years ago

Another problem with podcasts is they can’t include links, obviously, so if they mention something and you want to find out more about it, you have to remember what it was called and then Google it.

Alice Sanguinaria
8 years ago

auggziliary – I swear that was GWW.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
8 years ago

Um, I just watched a YouTube video about the podcast, apparently Karen said the white (hetero? Obviously cis) man is the new black slave.

I’m not going to try to listen to it again, can anyone confirm this?

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

I’ve heard the claim that Louis C.K. has also pulled off the successful rape joke, though I’ve never actually seen it, so consider this large salt-lick block when evaluating that claim. My point is that yes, rape jokes that punch up are theoretically possible, but the number of comedians who can actually perform them is exceedingly rare. Tosh, of course, manages to make amusing internet videos painfully boring, so the notion that he had a chance in hell of making a successful rape joke was pretty much nil.

And CassandraSays: Yeah, that was the thrust of my opening–the ‘How dare you say I “can’t” say something’ is a massive derail–it has nothing to do with a government Censorship Office.

sarahlizhousespouse
8 years ago

@baileyrenee

Is it another unsurprising example of GWW purposely misunderstanding the dreaded word “privilege”?

Every time she uses the words “privilege” or “patriarchy” she has to use her stupid little sc(air) quotes.

Cthulhu's Intern
8 years ago

@freemage: The whole point of my video was that Dane Cook is known as one of the worst mainstream comedians, and for good reason: he doesn’t have a very good style and there have been several probable accusations of plagiarism made towards him. He is, by all measures, a terrible comedian, yet he still managed to make a good rape joke. If he can do it, anyone can.

Athywren
Athywren
8 years ago

apparently Karen said the white (hetero? Obviously cis) man is the new black slave.

On what planet? I mean, I get that America is astonishingly regressive in it’s social and economic policies but in no way are white men in an equivalent situation to black slaves. Until you’re routinely whipped to “discipline” you, and murdered for entertainment, you’re not. Although I’m sure they’d point out that rich, white plantation owners were oppressed by their slaves, so I don’t know why I expect them to be reasonable.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
8 years ago

I don’t know why people keep insisting that there are no racist overtones in the MRM when you can compare men’s issues, to the made up ones the MRM talk about to the real, actual ones, to motherfucking enslavement of black people. Even the most dramatic interpretation of men’s issues doesn’t come close.

Oh yes, so compassionate these people are, they understand human suffering so well.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
8 years ago

Oh and if that’s the Louis C.K. joke you were talking about, that’s an amazing one! What a good message about “blurred lines,” “grey areas,” and all that garbage.

Athywren
Athywren
8 years ago

Speaking of war movies… didn’t the allies in WWII basically use what South Park called “operation: stand behind the darkies”? I may be slandering the military leadership of the time, but I seem to remember reading about companies of non-white dudes being put in the most dangerous combat zones… did I actually read that, or have I made it up?

As a side note, Red Tails is a pretty good war movie which doesn’t focus on the white dude brigade. Somehow it was made by George Lucas after the ’90s and doesn’t suck, it’s quite amazing.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
8 years ago

@auggziliary

I would say that’s calling out a just-world fallacy, which is a legit thing to do and not the same at all.

troutkitty
troutkitty
8 years ago

But did three (intelligent?) women say on air, that women couldn’t be raped? Is that where they thought they would be whenever it was that they decided anti-feminist-rights was really the hill they wanted to die on? And then continue, joking, about how they all should worship the mighty phallus? At what point do you take stock and mark the lowest the hole is ever going to get?

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Idk Athywren, but I frikken hate war movies. I have no desire to watch people get killed, maimed and traumatized, while making war look either somehow glamorous, or like a bygone era. One exception, I did like Jarheads (I got dragged to it and was pleasantly surprised, perhaps because their whole deal was “war is hell”)

Idk, maybe there are others that don’t somehow turn into a happy feel good aren’t you glad this is over? or some weird hero worship…but I haven’t seen ’em.

Sorry, that’s a sorta on topic reply to auggz. It’ say pet peeve, particularly since my father and brother would leave them on after my (WWII veteran) grandfather asked them to turn it off if they didn’t get outvoted by my mother and I.

Oh! That ties in! If your “entertainment” upsets people who’ve experienced it first hand, you fail.

saintnick86
8 years ago

Again, these people – MRAS, FeMRAs, etc. – have sense of humor cancer…

Besides that: gotta love Louis C.K.

katz
8 years ago

Argenti: How about All Quiet on the Western Front?

Fibinachi
8 years ago

I found “Welcome to Night Vale” very amusing.

“The old lady from the farm says the Angels appeared, and spoke to her. She said they helped her do several household chores. She is selling a light bulb one of the Angel’s touched.

She says it was the Black one, if that sweetens the deal….”

Athywren
Athywren
8 years ago

Idk Athywren, but I frikken hate war movies. I have no desire to watch people get killed, maimed and traumatized, while making war look either somehow glamorous, or like a bygone era.

I agree… I’ve never understood the idea of war movies as entertainment. If I want conflict in my movies, I’ll go for sci-fi or fantasy. I’ve always thought that if a war movie didn’t send you away feeling that war is a thing that should stop today and never restart, it has failed.

Leslie
Leslie
8 years ago

@Athywren, yes, the Soviets were documented to have done that, mainly to men from the Central Asian republics.

ivyshoots
8 years ago

That pause speaks volumes. These women are playing a role they’re not 100% comfortable with.

Tristan Gareth-Grey
8 years ago

I am a fan of war movies, but only the ones where war is made to look very bad & unglamorous. I’ve talked about this with other people, mostly guys, & one man said that one of the movies I liked wasn’t even a war movie. I said that if it has to do with the effects of war, & a war is going on, then it’s a war movie. Lack of action =/= war movie is a misnomer in my book.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“I’ve always thought that if a war movie didn’t send you away feeling that war is a thing that should stop today and never restart, it has failed.”

Agreed.

“Lack of action =/= war movie is a misnomer in my book.”

…does he think that it’s 24/7 fire fights? Cuz, uh, there’s lots of sitting around… (and stealing pieces of the Berlin Wall when you’re supposed to be guarding it!)

Katz — surprisingly, I haven’t seen it. Idk, nobody’s asked if they should put it on? Seeing how it’s a classic, I’d give it a go, just never sought it out or anything.

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
8 years ago

I don’t know if any of you non-Brits have seen Blackadder but their final series was set in the trenches of WWI and made one of the most poignant war stories ever.

Even though it was a comedy series, the final scene illustrated the futility of war (and, yes, the disposability of working class men at that time) perfectly. I don’t think I know a single person who watched that series and didn’t cry when they went over the top.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Last war movie I saw was War Horse, which was rather spoiled by being drowned in Speilberg sentimentality (the stage play was much better). Only other one that readily comes to mind is The Train. The fact I’ve got it on VHS shows how long ago I saw it!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

That final season of Blackadder was amazing.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

As far as movies, the most sad one that did the best job of showing what a mess war creates was Grave of the Firelies (animated). If you’ve never seen it and you want to I recommend that you make sure you have a box of tissues within easy reach.

(It’s even more sad when you realize it was based on a true story.)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

FireFLIES. I can type good, honest.