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Here — above and below — are a couple of amazing works of Men’s Rightsy propaganda I missed in my survey of deviantART yesterday, both from a fellow calling himself alexlartwork22. And, yes, they both seem to be meant completely seriously.

you can lose a lot of money chasing women but you'll never lose women chasing money

Thanks, Tulgey Logger and Cloudiah for finding these!  Is anyone else reminded of Chick Tracts here? The crude drawing, the melodrama, the excessive word balloons?

My post yesterday inspired (or at least provided the excuse for) rather a lot of comments, many of them rebutting a Men’s Rightsy fellow calling himself Good. Below, a graphic from Katz memorializing one of Good’s more, er, memorable pronouncements.

If men dominate the world, why is that the case when men and women are equal in numbers?

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

But I don’t want to! First because, as you said, looks silly. I don’t do hats in general, never mind big floppy ones. And secondly because I like the feeling of sun beating down on me.

I suppose I could just commit to getting my hair colored more often.

Falconer
7 years ago

@pecunium, @hellkell: Now is the time when he’ll claim to have lived in Massachusetts, I think it was, for a while, about ten years ago.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@cloudiah

I wear a big floppy hat to protect my delicate eyes/head from headaches 😛 It helps me a lot, but I can’t find many good looking hats. The only one I have I kinda took from Fade, she let me keep it cuz I used it so much more than her.

@falconer

As a teen who can only draw one thing, I object to the comparison 😛

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@cassandrasays

I suppose I could just commit to getting my hair colored more often.

That would work. 😛

Hair related, do you know any nice, cheap brands of permanent hair dye? I use semi-permanent and am getting tired of how the color fades so quick, it’s only the color I want for a week or two. I mostly use it cuz I can get it for 10$ at the CVS across the street.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I haven’t dyed my hair myself since college, sorry.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

My landlord was not happy about the state it left the bathroom in either. Purple hair dye stains.

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

If you don’t want to wear floppy hats, how will you ever look like a pirate?

Falconer
7 years ago

@falconer

As a teen who can only draw one thing, I object to the comparison

Sorry.

I’d be happier if baked tweens with giant breasts wasn’t the only thing she painted. If her artings are bringing her mad bank, more power to her, I guess, but Van Gogh didn’t get rich just painting sunflowers.

… Okay, bad example.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@cassandrasays

Huh. I guess I just got confused between the hair colored/ color fading/ dying difference. In fact, I’m still confused XD

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

But the baked teens are powerful, Falconer. Didn’t you read the marketing spiel?

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

@auggz

You can read about that case and the utter injustice of it here.

One month. That’s how much the guy served. ONE FUCKING MONTH.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

BTW, I tried to read that massive thing Good dropped.

It’s full of classics like this:

The original feminists wanted equality for women; they did not want extra rights for women, nor to take rights away from men. In the eyes of a growing number of people, modern feminism has taken the banner of equality, and used it as a smokescreen for radical activities.

And then ‘equality of opportunity doesn’t mean equality of outcome!’

Such gems of wisdom. Truly, I have been told.

grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

A bit off the specific topic, but I just wanted to ask if anyone else saw that A Voice for Men has posted an audio recording of an anti-MRM meeting at the Unviersity of Toronto on Tuesday (“What’s Wrong with the MRA? The Problem of Men’s Rights”). The organizers explicitly asked that the meeting not be recorded. Also, a Voice for Men calls it a “secret” feminist meeting on there Web site and that has led to me scratching my head as to what it so “secret” about a meeting whose time and location was announced publicly in advance.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

For example, if women have the right not to suffer domestic violence, equality entails that men have the same right. However in practice feminism has not only ignored a man’s right not to be beaten by their wife, but has actively eroded a man’s right not to suffer domestic violence from a woman

Lies.

grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

I mean *their* Web site,

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@cassandrasays

My landlord was not happy about the state it left the bathroom in either. Purple hair dye stains.

That’s what happened to my bathroom too 😛 even when I was trying to be careful, hairdye everywhere!

@falconer

I’d be happier if baked tweens with giant breasts wasn’t the only thing she painted. If her artings are bringing her mad bank, more power to her, I guess, but Van Gogh didn’t get rich just painting sunflowers.

Actually, at first I was still in ‘defend less experienced artists’ mode from earlier, but since she’s a professional and actually getting paid, I’m not so sure I take offense. 😛 Except for the teen comparison XD

Um that was kinda rambly so maybe I had a point somewhere.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

And the same old quote by Dworkin. This is even more tiresome and wrong than reading Good’s comments… I think I’m going to go lie down.

Falconer
7 years ago

But the baked teens are powerful, Falconer. Didn’t you read the marketing spiel?

They’re also vulnerable. I dunno how that works, but hey, it means they need me to protect them, right? So it’s all coo BAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRFFF

@Marie: Sorry again. I should have said “someone” instead of “a teen.”

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Chie, what the fuck???

Howard Bannister linked above, thanks for that. But yeah, a grown man rapes a 14 year old student, she eventually commits suicide, and the judge in his case sentences him to ONE MONTH, and made seriously reprehensible rape apologist statements about how she was an equal participant who is older than her chronological age. The judge should be removed from the bench IMMEDIATELY. This rapist should be spending his life in prison.

But there is no such thing as rape culture.

Falconer
7 years ago

@Howard, @Chie — Oh, that’s the case where the judge was all, “She totally wanted it, yo,” and gave the guy the weakest of slaps on the wrist.

I’ma go hug my babies. (You can see them by clicking the link in my username.)

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

For example, if women have the right not to suffer domestic violence, equality entails that men have the same right. However in practice feminism has not only ignored a man’s right not to be beaten by their wife, but has actively eroded a man’s right not to suffer domestic violence from a woman

As has been said twenty million FUCKING times on this website, NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU FROM STARTING YOUR OWN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS PROGRAM.

But, we all know you aren’t truly activists of any kind. You are abusers, stalkers, sexual-harassers, and rape-apologists.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@falconer

@Marie: Sorry again. I should have said “someone” instead of “a teen.”

You don’t need to apologize. I”m just super rambly today.

@chie satonaka

Howard Bannister linked above, thanks for that. But yeah, a grown man rapes a 14 year old student, she eventually commits suicide, and the judge in his case sentences him to ONE MONTH, and made seriously reprehensible rape apologist statements about how she was an equal participant who is older than her chronological age. The judge should be removed from the bench IMMEDIATELY. This rapist should be spending his life in prison.

ugh. arblegarble. Can’t find words.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

who is older than her chronological age

Apparently the allure of her vulnerable yet powerful femininity was able to break the space/time continuum.

(I hate this shit so much, mostly because I remember being a tween and having it used by adult men to justify perving on me.)

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@falconer

@Howard, @Chie — Oh, that’s the case where the judge was all, “She totally wanted it, yo,” and gave the guy the weakest of slaps on the wrist.

Gah. agh. What the fuck? May he step on all the fucking legos.

Falconer
7 years ago

@Marie, yeah, Howard and Chie have linked to actual reports, but the judge made statements that boiled down to “she consented.”

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

What’s worse about that case is that this scumbucket rapist couldn’t even complete the diversionary program they put him on. So they had to go to the sentencing phase instead. And then this fuckhead judge gives him 31 days in jail. Just LOOK at the smug look on this rapist piece of shit’s face:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/25/us/montana-teacher-rape/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

With Cherice’s death, the prosecution entered into what is known as a “deferred prosecution agreement” with Rambold.

This meant that all charges against Rambold — who admitted to one of the rape charges — would be dismissed if he completed a sex-offender treatment program and met other requirements. One of them was to have no contact with children.

Yet another rape case in which the guy gets away with it because his victim is dead, even when HE ADMITTED TO DOING IT.

Sorry, I’m so angry about this case. I just cannot control my rage right now. I need to take a step back for a sec.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Okay, so I was still curious about whether AVfM had put the Ball manifesto back on their site, so I went looking.

I didn’t find that there. I did find a reference to the case mentioned above, and the petition to remove Judge Baugh. I kind of expected the article to be awful and terrible.

It was… less so than I expected. It roundly condemned both the rapist and the judge who let him off, and then used it as a jumping-off point to talk about the double standards regarding women who rape or molest boys.

Which is… not a bad point. Later he has to take one of the commenters to task for immediately pulling out a racist message.

Hmm.

They haven’t put the Ball manifesto back on their activism page, but they link to it in articles on their site, the full version. “Burn it down,” explicit directions for how to make the molotov cocktails.

But not on the activism page, so there’s that.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Hey, Good, still around?

What do you say to that?

AVfM links to an open call to terrorism with instructions on how to do it.

But you want to talk about how the wage gap is totally still because women don’t work, right?

Athywren
Athywren
7 years ago

Isn’t it funny how these guys will happily parrot that age is just a number? 14? Just a number, she’s older than her years, and she totally wants it – no matter what she actually wants – so it’s totes not rape! And yet… 30 is “past her prime”? So much eugh running through my mind right now.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

It was… less so than I expected. It roundly condemned both the rapist and the judge who let him off, and then used it as a jumping-off point to talk about the double standards regarding women who rape or molest boys.

That’s good. The thing that frustrates me is that they refuse to acknowledge the fact that the cultural attitudes that lead to that double standard come from the patriarchy. It is fed by a legal history in which women were not people, but the property of their husbands, and by a cultural standard in which men always want sex and women never do.

The person who raped me was a woman. She was my family’s daycare provider. I didn’t tell anyone for years. I’ve still never told my mother, because at this point we don’t know where this woman is, and the statute of limitations is long passed, and I don’t want my mother to think she’s at fault in any way, because I don’t think that at all. But she will blame herself.

At any rate, I’m glad to see that AVfM’s response was not to rationalize and justify this rapist’s behavior with a bunch of evo-psych bullshit about how it’s natural to want to fuck children.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Well, “AVfM’s response.” In the comments a bunch of guys immediately started on how it “wasn’t really rape, it was statuatory rape,” and it was nowhere near as bad as the ‘pussy-pass cases cited,’ even though one guy pointed out that actually one of the women on the list was sent away for six years, which is a liiiiiiittle more than this one.

Which is to say, they apparently have one writer at AVfM who isn’t a TOTAL garbage nightmare, but it’s still AVfM.

dlouwe
dlouwe
7 years ago

@Athywren

Not to mention how at the same time they consistently complain about “immature” and “spoiled” women. But I bet that 14 year old acts super mature! Eugh indeed.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Well, if the only people they focus on as potential sexual targets are tweens and teens that would explain why they’re always whining about women being immature – they never bother to talk to a woman over 18 unless it’s their mom.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

I couldn’t bring myself to read it… Did she actually “consent”?
Ugh comments on that are AWFUL.

She was groomed to “consent.” And she ultimately committed suicide! That doesn’t suggest “consent” in any way, shape or form to me.

Falconer
7 years ago

No, she didn’t consent, I’m sorry if anything I said made it seem like she did.

Anyway, she’s 14, even if she says Yes, that can’t legally constitute consent.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

btw, this is OT but I’m not sure where else to post it:

Have people seen the David Gilmour interview article and subsequent shitstorm? I’ve been gadflying at one of the trolls on the thread and it’s surprisingly edifying.

http://www.randomhouse.ca/hazlitt/blog/david-gilmour-building-strong-stomachs

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

No one here (with exception of our resident trolls) has suggested that she consented. It’s the rape apologists in other media threads that are doing it.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Have people seen the David Gilmour interview article and subsequent shitstorm? I’ve been gadflying at one of the trolls on the thread and it’s surprisingly edifying.

Yeah, I posted that it yesterday’s thread to mock Good about his silly notion that we live in a meritocracy.

Gilmour is already trying to walk back his comments (oh, and blame the “young woman” doing the interview, because NATCH). I don’t know why people don’t understand that this kind of attitude is about so much more than simply excluding women from the curriculum — do you really think a professor who has this kind of attitude about women treats all of his students equally? I sure don’t!

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Not caught up, cuz exploded while I was out, but…

Auggz — pecunium and I were discussing this while standing in front of some of his work. It just doesn’t do it for me.

Marie — my fish are way too small to go after the smell of fear, they go hide for their own safety. You’re good.

Van Gogh didn’t get rich, period!

And hair dye…L’Oreal’s Feria. Because there’s enough in the box to get ALL MY HAIR! Under $20 but idk if it’s by enough to be cheap.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Okay, you guys know how all the “Hillary is too old to run” memes are kind of sort of double-standard-y, but people pretend they’d be against anybody that old running to cover their butts on the sexism? (and we know you’re lying, guys, we can see how old Reagan was when he was sworn in…)

“Hillary would be 69 on Inauguration Day 2017, not particularly old for a man not out of sight of his prime, but a woman in public life is getting past her sell-by date at 69.”

Sometimes they just out and out admit their double standards. (Washington Times)

serrana
serrana
7 years ago

a woman in public life is getting past her sell-by date

Also, how often are older men referred to as “past their sell-by date” as if they are merchandise, compared to women?

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Seriously, I don’t think they even realize that all their language betrays their biases SO MUCH.

kittehserf
7 years ago

titianblue:

Re Audrey Kawasaki, wasn’t familiar with her before now. Having done a quick search, her paintings make me uncomfortable. All thin, white, idealised child-women. The art nouveau elements are very pretty but, as Augzz says”dead, white 13 year olds, that are really damn sexualized” – ick!

Seconded. Never heard of her before now, googled and … ewww.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Damn blockquote monster, lemme alone! Follows me to Pharyngula, follows me back here …

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Our Presidents do seem to be getting younger and younger, don’t they? 40’s and 50’s when elected since Clinton.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

Some positive news: Marissa Alexander will get a new trial. (Avoid the comment section)

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/26/marissa-alexander-will-get-a-new-trial/

kittehserf
7 years ago

I read the Pharyngula article on that Gilmour character. What a sleaze, really. Sorry, RealHetGuy-Guy™.

The way he talked about introducing Roth et al specifically to shock/distress his students sounded like he’s just found a dandy keep-inside-the-law way to sexually harass them.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I found it funny that he was banging on about Roth perfectly capturing “middle aged sexuality”. Why do a bunch of college students need to know about middle aged sexuality? I mean, they’ll figure it out by themselves eventually, but why do they need to read about sex from a perspective that’s more relevant to their teacher than to them?

(He seemed like a creeper to me too.)

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
7 years ago

@Chie, I saw that too but since I’m not USian do you have any idea whether the outcome of the second trial is likely to be different given that the appellate court ruled that the judge was right to rule out SYG? What did he misdirect the jury on?

I’m super-super stoked that she got a new trial but I don’t want to get my hopes up if there’s not likely to be much difference between trials.