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Feminism is like anti-obedience school for dogs, explains Men’s Rights Redditor

Apparently feminism has turned the lovely and obedient ladies of yore into a bunch of wild wolves and dingoes — by preventing men from “putting the foot down” when ladies misbehave. At least that’s what the always awful Men’s Rights Redditor who calls himself Alisdair_ and the 41 terrible people who’ve upvoted his comment so far think:

Alisdair_ 25 points 1 day ago* (41|16)      Naw. Men are the ones with the problem. Men are ruining society. Men need to pick up the slack. Men need to do this. Men need to do that. Nag nag nag nag nag. And you women wonder why we'd rather play video games than work or live with you...  It's like with a dog. If you let the dog do anything it wants to uncontested it will soon try to outright dominate you. Bite, bully and piss on you. People too are like this to an extent, some more than others, and in particular I find that a lot of women are like this or have an inclination to fall into bad habits there as all these bullying and mocking articles exemplify in my humble opinion. In the west it's basically become illegal to put the foot down to this if it's a woman doing it to you. So if you live with a woman you have to put up with it or you'll be in jail soon for some bogus lie told to the police. In contrast a well mannered and trained dog, one subject to consequences for bad behavior, can be an amazing and fulfilling companion. Imagine if you will if there was a feminism for dogs and you basically had to live with wild wolves and dingos. You'd see a dramatic drop in people with dogs.

Thanks to chewinchawingum in the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing out this lovely quote. Huh. There’s something that seems oddly familiar about chewinchawingum.

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Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

kittehs – Are many MRA ephebophiliacs?

Actually, don’t answer that.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Or is it ephebophiles? Hmmm.

kittehserf
11 years ago

I don’t think I need to answer it. They’d prefer that term, they like to pretend they’re not wannabe pederasts.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

I’m not caught up, but women are totally like dogs!

If they hurt you and you go OW, they stop. If you try dancing with them they may dance with you. If they like you and you offer a lap, they may take you up on that offer; also, movie time.

So…women are like well treated poodles? Or dogs can be perfectly decent animals without being punished beyond OW and “really?” (Actually, little dude was far more devoted than I’d want any human to be, but how many dogs will try dancing with you when one wrong move could get them crushed? I had to, it was just too cute)

Ok so maybe only the first one applies…but yeah, most women stop hurting you if you note that it hurts, contra MRM opinion.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Ephebophiliacs, because if you were going to talk about people with pneumonia you’d say pneumonics and if you’re having a gallery of Ophelias you should call them Opheliacs (I am, very loosely, paraphrasing from Emilie Autumn’s book)

And add everything Dvärghundspossen said about dogs to my points about women not wanting to hurt people and sometimes dancing and being cuddly with people they like.

Gender identity…oh boy…I spent the longest time all “I don’t exist” // “must be assigned gender” cuz trans* people feel strongly that they are not assigned gender (I realize that wording sucks) whereas I’m not particularly more fond of ID’ing as not assigned gender. That one does not have to have strong feelings for either binary gender was a “holy fuck I do exist” moment for me (cuz yeah, I’ve worked power tools in a skirt, am a master at make-up [mm, theatre] and mud and worms and bugs that aren’t spiders and all things slimy or scaled are cool)

Also, women are not axolotls, I am not debating keeping one in a tank in my room.

katz
11 years ago

Keep one keep one keep one! And send lots of pictures because they are awesome looking. <3 amphibians

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Katz — if I had room, and knew where to get one, this would not be a question! My desk is largely a CRT TV, so if I switch to LCD…but then I still need to find one…

Desire is not the problem here 🙂

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

I think part of the reason there’s so much confusion over gender is that a lot of the people who feel strongly about it fall nearer to the ends of the spectrum, which sort of enforces the idea that it is, in fact, a binary (along with the fact that we’re most of us socialized to view gender as a very differentiated binary)… I think that a lot of the time, people who are just pretty meh about the whole gender identity thing both don’t feel like they have a lot of stake in the matter, and tend not to talk about it a whole lot, which further reinforces this whole idea that you have to be one or the other, and not somewhere in between.

Of course, I could be totally wrong; I haven’t read a whole lot on the subject and I’m just going off my own experiences. I’m somewhat in the middle myself, and would personally like to look a lot more gender-ambiguous than my build actually allows for, but I just stick with ID’ing as my assigned gender because it’s less problematic than trying to do otherwise and I don’t actually feel any discomfort over doing so.

I do have a hard time empathizing with people who have/are/want to transition[ed/ing], because I don’t really feel that kind of strong feelings over my gender, but that doesn’t mean I don’t sympathize and support.

Dvärghundspossen
11 years ago

@Sparky: Nowadays I know a trans man who loves pink and lots of stereotypically female things so yeah, I know these people exist nowadays. But unfortunately, when you hear about trans people in mainstream media and so on it’s usually the stereotypical story (and I also know nowadays that lots of trans people were pushed into that narrative by medical professionals, too).

Regarding gender I don’t even know if I’m that different to people who identify as genderqueers or agenders or whatnot. I just feel that personally, it’s not worth it to identify as trans since, you know, I don’t exactly mind being called “she”. Also, struggling with mental illness already takes up all my, um, struggle energy, so I can’t be bothered with adding a trans struggle on top of it. So I choose to identify as cis. Easier that way, and it doesn’t hurt me. Although when a trans person says to me (as happened some time ago) “when you talk about gender you don’t really sound cis” I don’t go “YES I’M SO TOTALLY CIS”, I’m more like *shrug*.

Ally S
11 years ago

Here’s a terrible post-left anarchist critique of feminism I found a while ago: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/feral-faun-essays#toc10

Thought I’d share it just because it’s so terrible.

Fatman
Fatman
11 years ago

I am totally glad humans don’t mate for life. I would be profoundly unhappy to be in a relationship with the person I lost my virginity with 20 some odd years down the road.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Alice, love the new kitty gravatar! 🙂

Cis is a term I’ve only known since I started reading Manboobz, so it sounds kind of silly to say I identify as something I’ve known for, what, two years out of fifty. I’m one of the majority who has the fortune (and privilege) to have sense of self and physical body align; like Dvarg, it’s more a *shrug* thing, which, again, I know is a privilege.

Now if I had legs that aligned I’d be really happy …

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@ally

Women are not waffles.

Waffles are crispy and delicious.

Women are not water coolers

Water coolers make those cool “blub blub” sounds.

May favorite so far 😀

*blub blub*

@mejas

And how is that any different from what’s already happening right now in reality, eh?

oh shit i cant stop laughing help me. wait dude do you like exist in reality? *snortle* I thought beta males were supposed to be 80% of the population (or was that only puas? I know I heard it somewhere) MORE THAN 20% OF PEOPLE HAVE KIDS.

@mejas

And, in case Mejas is too stupid to understand what everyone’s saying, this was your first post:

this is OT, but I accidentally read mejas as marie and had a small sad 😛

melody
11 years ago

Yes!
Most of the wolves in a pack are related to each other. Rarely do siblings or parent/childs mate in wolf packs. A big part of that is that wolves choose to disperse before they are 3 years old (wolves reach maturity around 2 years of age). And if food is plentiful matings beyond the top pair are tolerated (but they do keep their population in check). Wolves are fascinating!
Dogs are fascinating too! Actually, the whole canine world is interesting because their dna is unique. You couldn’t get that much variety out of any other species. It has to do with repeating codes in their dna. Thats how you get totally different body structures in dogs (skull changes, different tails, short legs, ect). You could NEVER change the fundamentals of a bovine the way you can change a dog.

Fade
11 years ago

@Ally

Did you search the tumblr “feminist” tag? If you haven’t already, I recommend keeping it that way. I tried, and half the posts were people being all like “omg women you’re not oppressed”.

Lili Fugit

I have to admit, I let our dog do whatever he wants, and he’s never bitten me or peed on me. Hmm. I wonder if this douche has ever met a dog in person. (I know he’s never met a woman.)

My dog has very little training, but she still only snaps at you if you’re putting her in pain, which only happens if she accidently gets stepped on (which is happening more frequently, because just stepping near her can make her think you’re going to put her in pain because her arthritis is so bad. 🙁 )

Men are not hamsters

Male hamsters kill their babies

Oh, wait, I’m supposed to make men look bad here.

Men are not dogs

They don’t hump your leg

Dang it!

Men are not guinea pigs

They don’t make squeaky adorable noises while licking your hand.

There! I have successfully found a way to denigrate men through comparisons to animals. Men, the ball is in your court. I highly suggest adorable-ifying yourselves if you aren’t already adorable, and consensually licking peoples’ hands, either for salt or to show affection, depending on your mood.

Ally S
11 years ago

@Ally

Did you search the tumblr “feminist” tag? If you haven’t already, I recommend keeping it that way. I tried, and half the posts were people being all like “omg women you’re not oppressed”.

Nope, I found it somewhere else. I do happen to have a Tumblr account (just made it actually) but I’m not searching for that tag per your suggestion =P

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@fade

Love your rodent poems XD

Men are not guinea pigs

They do not eat lots of hay

Men are not guinea pigs

They do not eat their own poop

Men are not guinea pigs

They do not try to find new and creative ways to knock their water bottle over and spill it all over the bedding and leave me a big mess to clean up.

Not that I am bitter, or anything.

kittehserf
11 years ago

oh shit i cant stop laughing help me. wait dude do you like exist in reality? *snortle*

“It’s reality, Jim, but not as we know it.”

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

“Now if I had legs that aligned I’d be really happy …”

I snortled. Mostly cuz I’m debating upgrading to iOS 7 while waiting for my knee to sort itself.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Men are not guinea pigs

They don’t make squeaky adorable noises while licking your hand.

I know one man who’d take that as a challenge. :/

Fade
11 years ago

@Mejas

And how is that any different from what’s already happening right now in reality, eh?

I really don’t care if some guys aren’t getting sex. You aren’t entitled to sex. Get the fuck over it. Most people got out of the “gimme gimme gimme mine mine mine” stage by time they were six.

Again, further proof that women are not dogs. With dogs, you get what you give. With women, much more often than not, a man can give them everything and he still gets nothing.

*plays the worlds tiniest violin for Mejas that he cannot make women do what he wants them to.

@Fibinachi

In reality, men don’t walk around on fur legs and they’re not particularly furry

It would be better if they were, though, because nothing makes you happier than sticking our face in a dog’s coat. Especially northern breeds with thick coats. XD

Also, the “wolves mate for life” in contrast with “male mammals have always had harems”. It reads like “Why can’t I sleep around and not be devoted with people who don’t sleep with anyone but me and /are/ devoted?”

@Chie Satonaka

Are sims any fun? I keep seeing some games at half price books, but I never get them. They look kind of addicting, though.

Also, can you make disabled sims? Because I feel like I really wouldn’t want to play if you couldn’t…

@Fatman

I am totally glad humans don’t mate for life. I would be profoundly unhappy to be in a relationship with the person I lost my virginity with 20 some odd years down the road.

My parents “mated” (okay, they got married :P) they had a family, had fun, then got stressed. Divorced. Now dad has “mated” a second time (married) and mom is happy being single.

So much less stressful than if you had to stick with your first mate. XD

@Ally

I do happen to have a Tumblr account (just made it actually) but I’m not searching for that tag per your suggestion =P

Ah. Ps, can I follow you on tumblr? I like adding manboobzers to my dash.

Fade
11 years ago

@Kittehserf.

Fine. MOST men don’t make squeaky adorable noises and lick your hand. XD

kittehserf
11 years ago

I wish my knee’d sort itself! But I think this is a permanent thing, now. Torn cartilage isn’t worth operating on, it just makes matters worse and makes osteoarthritis even more likely. The compression bandage thingy I’ve got helps, but damn, it needs a suspender belt to stop it falling down!

Ally S
11 years ago

Fade, go ahead! Mine is iaf-thoughts.tumblr.com

kittehserf
11 years ago

Fade – LOL! Most men prolly don’t have regular bouts of Furrinati Weird like my bloke.

“It would be better if they were, though, because nothing makes you happier than sticking our face in a dog’s coat. Especially northern breeds with thick coats. XD”

Oooh yes, or kitties, too! Mads has decided she’s the hairstylist of the house. I love burying my face in her fat cuddly fluffy side, and she’s taken to winding around and almost climbing on my head and trampling my hair while I do it. It actually made my hair look good when she did it yesterday!

… Which freaked out my stepson when Louis and I turned up to the picnic wearing le style Madeleine. We’d messed up each other’s hair in the morning and hadn’t bothered fixing it. “What have you done to your hair, Father?” demands Philippe. “It is the style Madeleine,” says Louis. “You two are HOPELESS,” says Philippe, waving his hands and then hiding his face. “You have your hair done by a CAT when I could do it!” (Louis doesn’t actually get his hair done by Mads, ‘cos of her being here and him in Spirit, but eh, it’s the idea of it.)

The Cardinal had fallen flat laughing by this stage.