It’s time for another visit into the fertile mind of Christopher in Oregon, perhaps the most viscerally misogynistic boob I’ve ever written about on this site. Most of the misogynists I write about here like to pretend that they’re not misogynists, or to dress up their misogyny in pseudoscientific terms, talking about the evils of female “hypergamy” or citing dubious evo psych to back up their reprehensible views.
Not old Chris. He’s an old-school, women are bad because their vaginas are stinky, woman-hater. And his 2007 manifesto “Deconstruct the Female,” which I recently found reposted on MarkyMark’s blog, may well be his masterpiece.
Let’s take a look at some of the highlights.
On the whorishness and deceit of all women (except Christopher in Oregon’s mom):
My mother was very vocal about women and their nasty ways. For this I will always be grateful. She told me in no uncertain terms that women were pretty much all whores and liars, and that for all practical purposes, there were no exceptions.
On the Impending Ugliness of All Women:
A woman’s looks almost always head for the gutter as she ages. … I’m not talking when she hits fifty, or even forty.
Thirty. Maybe sooner. …
This is one of the greatest secrets that few people talk about, and young men are almost never warned about. Women get ugly. BUTT UGLY.
Cellulite: Might Literally Eat You
Oh, God. Have you ever walked down the aisle in a store and observed the women waddling along in short pants? Have you ever looked at their legs? Their thighs? A ghastly sight. Cellulite jiggling in every direction. It’s like the old fifties sci-fi movie “The Blob”. Sometimes I’m afraid it’s going to jump out and envelope me.
Breasts: An Affront to All That is Good and True
Contemplate her breasts. Ah, yes. The twin orbs of pleasure that young men so foolishly lust after.
Why?
They’re a couple of sacks of fat with oozing nipples on the end. Very few women’s breasts look like the one’s you see in the movies. Normally, most breasts are NOT attractive at all. They droop. Sometimes they’re not identical. Some look like gourds. When children come along, they sag badly. Very badly. Sometimes down to their belly, which by this time is also sagging in a race to hit the floor. In a woman, everything heads south, my friends. NEVER forget this.
Vaginas: I Smelled One Once, and It Was Very Stinky
I’m going to be blunt. Have you ever smelled a vagina? Seriously. I mean in it’s natural, unwashed state? Really stuck your nose right down there and taken a deep breath?
Once.
My G-d. The stench could have knocked a buzzard off a shit wagon at fifty paces. To this day I swear there was a cloud of flies buzzing around that portal of doom. Sometimes when riding my Harley-Beasties around the rural roads here in Oregon, I encounter dead skunks. Road kill. We have a lot of them here, and when they’ve been baking in the summer sun, you can smell them a long way off even at sixty miles per hour.
Vaginas tend to be even nastier.
Vaginas, Part 2: He’s Not Done Yet
I have long said that a vagina is a cesspool of filth and disease, and that I will never place any part of my anatomy into such a sewer. With the odds that a woman has herpes or HPV, this statement is even more true today.
Nature has a clever trick to warn us of danger. Smell. If you encounter something that smells bad, or rancid, Nature is telling you to get away.
(Danger, danger Will Robinson!)
You are being warned that something is probably carrying disease, and is filthy. Definatley not fit for human consumption.
Consider what comes out of a woman’s vagina when she has a period. It’s not just blood, boys. Other nasty stuff sloughes off. If she has HPV, then dead warts (if she’s being treated) come oozing out. Or dead pre-cancerous lesions. Scabs. Brown slime that reeks.
Vaginas, Part 3: Also, They’re Near the Butt
Think about her rectum. Yep. Her butt-hole. Think about how close it is to her vagina. Do you REALLY want your gonads slapping up against her poop-shute?
Really?
How carefully does she wipe after she uses the toilet? Do you know? Of course not. You’re taking it on faith that she is very sanitary, and we all know we can trust women.
Women: They Also Have Mouths
Look at her pretty face. Think about her mouth. Can you say gingivitus? Tooth decay? Mucous? Plaque? The human mouth is FILTHY, and a woman’s mouth is no exception, bucko. She can also carry Herpes and HPV in her mouth from all those blow jobs she’s been giving out to every guy in town. Blow jobs that mysteriously disappear once married, I might add.
Oh, Eyes Too
Look at her beady little eyes. Will they look so pretty when she is squinting through glasses that are as thick as coke bottle bottoms? When they’re oozing? When they are dull and lifeless as she hits middle age?
Women Over Fifty are Rotting Carcasses
Surely you’ve seen a middle-aged couple walking along. The man is fifty. In shape. Pleasantly greying on the sides of his head. …
Then look at his wife
She looks like an open-casket funeral. The stench of death is about her. He’s just hitting his prime in looks, while she’s flying towards death. Yes, she may outlive him. If you can call occupying a rotting carcass living.
Women: They Also Poop
Women produce the same filth and excretions as men. They require deodrants both for underarms, and even worse, for down below. What happens when a woman uses the toilet? Do you think it comes out smelling like roses? Think again.
Do Not Allow The Human Female to Use You For Breeding Purposes
Consider the other examples in nature of males being used and cast aside after breeding. Once they have served their purpose, they are useless to the female.
Do you think you will be treated any differently when the female has used you for breeding? You will only be around as long as she feels she need you financially. No longer.
Spend Your Life Exercising Furiously Instead
Clear your mind of lust. Avoid looking at women. Avoid porn. Masturbate if needed when yonger- or older. Don’t date. Don’t socialize with women. Concentrate on your hobbies. Your work. Your exercising.
Huh. That’s a lot to take in.
But there’s just one thing. I don’t want to boast, but over the forty-some years of my life I have found my nose in close proximity to a human vagina on more than one occasion, and, um, dude, I think maybe you got a bad one.
For more from Chris, check out the archives.
EDITED TO ADD: And here’s a DRAMATIC READING of the whole manifesto, courtesy of Quietuus!
dammit that two comments ago was supposed to be intersectionality. Only spelled right. I trusted autocorrect to fix it but it said intentionally 🙁
People actually do that to PoC, Marie? Urgh, I didn’t know that. I didn’t think anyone could be that mind-bogglingly awful and stupid. Apologies to any PoC reading this! Scrap that analogy.
I am full of sympathy and kindness for reformed former bigots, but anyone still hanging onto their bigotry can go step on all the LEGOs far as I’m concerned.
Kittesehrf wrote:”As hellkell said (ninjaing me by hours, again!) these guys hate women, feminist or not, and the idea of “feminist outreach” for them is laughable. It goes back to the racism thing: would you suggest an outreach group for PoC to reach the KKK?”
Thanks kittehserf for throwing me under the bus. I need to be further educated how hateful human groups are against other groups in our world. But I guess as a woman I am sort of shameful that my “maternal instinct” came out towards these MGTOW boys. I was thinking before I wrote this post how if I let my “maternal instinct” come out especially in sociopolitical discussions of gender, it will surely blur my perspective. I guess as women feminist or not when we see someone hurting another human being we have an instinct to try to help. I may have erroneously have gotten too much compassion or feel sort of sorry for these MGTOW guys who I still see in some sort of conflict between hating woman and desperately wanting some type of feminine nurturing.
Hellkell wrote”I’m sure these dudes would just LOVE a feminist outreach. They already piss and moan how feminism isn’t doing enough to help men–like, hello, do you know what feminism is?
These are grown ass men who’re angry that not every woman they meet wants to fuck them/mommy them/be around them.
I’m sure you mean well, but fuck that noise.
Hellkell lol, yes you know my intentions but you still were brutally honest with your opinion on any type of feminist outreach to the mgtow.
It reminded me Hellkell of the old Peanuts comic strip.where I believe it was Lucy who charges for 5 cents for psychiatry in a makeshift booth she sits in. Imagine in a perfect world, a feminist would charge whatever the going rate at the time is for psychiatry to an mgtow. If the session was successful she would end up kissing him . Lol. Imagine a comic strip on that theme.
@juliebreeze
as woman? What the fuck? we aren’t a monolith…
OK, juliebreeze is just fucking with us.
juliebreeze – Riiiight, so disagreeing with you and pointing out that it isn’t women’s responsibility to coax these fuckers to treat us like human beings (you know – living up to the baseline of human decency, which I would have thought was their own responsibility) is “throwing you under the bus”.
Just how, precisely?
And will you cut the gender essentialist bullshit and talking as if women are a monolith (as Marie pointed out? Nobody’s saying YOU can’t feel as maternal as you like toward misogynists. We’re objecting to the idea that you expect us, or anyone else, to treat them that way, or feel the same way you do.
Also, for pity’s sake, if you’re a lurker here you would KNOW how hellkell expresses herself. Is it really such a surprise that she’s going to do so (in a very mild way, ha) when she sees this sort of baloney being trotted out?
None of what you’ve said sounds particularly feminist to me anyway. It’s more like the old idea of women on a pedestal, the sweet woman whose gentle ways soothe the savage male beast with our natural and identical womanly, maternal virtues. It’s positively Victorian.
Does the notion that women are individuals and not necessarily maternal, or cis, or heterosexual, ever occur to you? You’re talking about women in very narrow, stereotyped ways.
hellkell – sockpuppet, d’you think? I didn’t think so but I’m starting to wonder.
Okay, you feel however much compassion you want. As far as I’m concerned, it’s hard to get too much compassion.
But don’t try to tell us how much to feel at the people who hate us.
Also, nurturing isn’t gendered.
NNOOOOOOOOO
No
you’re not supposed to get involved with your patients. I may be remembering that wrong, but I am ninety nine percent sure it like, violates some professional code of shrinkery.
Hmmm, the pearl clutching and the funky quoting reminds me of someone.
Kitteh’s: it sounds like some dude pretending to try and write like a woman whose second language is English–what he thinks a feminist would say, and the lack of quoting reminds me of that Jason idiot.
RE: titianblue
no one says of a racist “Well, they must have been hurt or traumatised by a PoC at some point earlier in life. We should feel sorry for them. They needs a chance to get therapy & heal.
No one says of a homophobe “Well, they must have been hurt or traumatised by an LGBT person at some point earlier in life. We should feel sorry for them. They needs a chance to get therapy & heal.”
Uh, actually, I HAVE encountered these things. A good few times, actually. So, uh, you might want to think before you try and pull those examples.
Also, speaking as a man and a survivor of abuse, I find the idea that I require some feminine nurturing to heal my wounds… kinda creepy, not gonna lie. I mean, hubby is a nurturing wonder of the world, but he does it for its own sake, not to heal my deep masculine wounds or something.
Please don’t go around trying to “fix” me, people! It’s creepy as all get out!
“Hellkell lol, yes you know my intentions but you still were brutally honest with your opinion”
Yep, that’s hellkell in a nutshell!
Fade — having sex with your patient/client will land you on Megan’s list here, it’s sexual assault. (It would be rape if CT had a crime called “rape” but we call it all “sexual assault”)
And yes, this sounds a bit familiar. Might be my own socks I smell, they did spend a day at the natural history museum in NYC (pecunium turns into a kid around dinosaurs, just so y’all know)
@auggz
we don’t have a thing against obvious statements, do we? I hope not.
Anyway, I’ll add to rather obvoius statements. Mras aren’t for men who are:
-POC*
-gay (or bi, I assume, but I haven’t seen much they say about bi people :/)
-trans*
– and I may be missing some. I doubt they’re good to disabled men, but haven’t read enough to know.
*asterik cuz they do bring up men of color sometimes, like when they talk about prison stats, but they try to act like white men and black men or hispanic men (in US) get similar # of arrests/ length of prison sentences and apply it just to men, when it’s more of a racism thing.
okay I’m done rambling I think .
hellkell – it started out fairly subtle but I’m side-eyeing the whole “throw me under the bus” and maternal instinct stuff from someone claiming to have been a feminist for 17 years.
(Tricky, side-eyeing while your eyebrows are trying to ascend to the stratosphere, too.)
@auggz
::votes:: go for it! (if you want to :P) personally, I don’t get too confused once I know people, though I can see why there would be confusion.
also, if you don’t like me calling you auggz you can tell me to stop. Idk if it bothers you? sorry if it does.
Also
-not an asshole
“Imagine in a perfect world, a feminist would charge whatever the going rate at the time is for psychiatry to an mgtow. If the session was successful she would end up kissing him . Lol. Imagine a comic strip on that theme.”
To quote my grumpy heroine:
NO
@fade
yeah, they don’t like people who disagree with them 😛 but I was going for less ‘opinion’ things.
@grumpycatisagirl
wow somehow I missed this paragraph of juliebreeze’s at first O_o Your no is so right. I am trying to find words.
…
I am failing to find words.
all the ew.
ps, juliebreeze, I have no interest in kissing any men, and it’s not cuz I hate them 😉
Dittoing the NO to kissing an MGHOW.
I’m a feminist. Been one for decades. I have never kissed (as in, on the lips or in a sexual/romantic sense) any man except my husband. Nor do I intend to; I’d sooner gargle with ammonia. The idea that women should do low-level prostitution to get these scum to be nice is the sort of thing an MRA would suggest.
My shrinks have been wonderful… but I would never, EVER want either of them to kiss me. I don’t care if I’ve just reached Enlightenment under their tutelage.
Plus which, if it was a perfect world, there wouldn’t BE any of these fuckshite MGTOW, MRAs and so on. Misogyny, sexism, kyriarchy, racism and all the other bigotries would not exist. There wouldn’t be a need for feminism, let alone for women to kiss men for any other reason than wanting to.
Talk about a failure of imagination in which that sort of fucked-up scenario is perfect. I’m definitely thinking troll or sockpuppet here. A feminist proposing this shit? Don’t think so.
Kittehs: if I tried side-eyeing while raising an eyebrow, I’d sprain my face.
@auggz
Cool, just figured it didn’t hurt to check 🙂