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For A Voice for Men, and its Edmonton offshoot, terrifying women is a form of “human rights activism.”

Men's Rights Edmonton activist at work
Men’s Rights Edmonton activist at work

So the self-described “human rights activists” at A Voice for Men have found three more women to harass. Here’s the story, which for many of you will have a depressingly familiar ring:

Members of Men’s Rights Edmonton, a small group that is for all intents and purposes a local chapter of A Voice for Men, has been putting up pictures targeting Lise Gotell, the chair of women’s and gender studies at the University of Alberta. The pictures, which seem inspired by “Wanted” posters of yore, feature a large portrait of Gotell and the caption:

Theft isn’t black. Bank fraud isn’t Jewish. And rape isn’t male.

“Just because you’re paid to demonize men doesn’t mean rape is gendered. Don’t be that bigot.

Gotell’s crime? She was involved in what appears to have been a remarkably effective rape awareness campaign focusing on date rape and featuring the slogan “Don’t Be That Guy.”

A Voice for Men took exception to the campaign because, even thought it did deal with the male victims of rape, it didn’t devote equal time to the problem of evil, false-accusing “girls.” No, really. Men’s Rights Edmonton Activists put up “satirical” versions of the campaign’s posters with the slogan “Don’t Be that Girl.” Now, MR-E and AVFM, at least according to the “argument” advanced on their new poster, seem to be upset that the campaign didn’t devote equal time to the problem of female rapists.  [Note: this paragraph has been corrected; see note at end of piece.]

Gotell spoke out against the posters, and now Men’s Rights Edmonton and AVFM are doing their best to smear her as a “bigot.” Because she doesn’t believe that women are responsible for half of all rapes.

Since this is not actually true — more on this in a later post — it’s hard to see how this makes her a bigot.

As a rule, I don’t support tearing down the posters of one’s ideological enemies. Free speech and all that. But these posters are different: they’re slanderous personal attacks designed to harass an individual. Were they posted in my neighborhood I would tear them down.

And evidently that’s what some people in Edmonton have been doing.

Indeed, one recent night, several members of Men’s Rights Edmonton claim to have caught two women doing just that. While they don’t seem to have video footage of the women tearing down the posters, the MRAs filmed themselves following the women down the street and angrily confronting them for this alleged crime.

They posted the video to YouTube, and AVFM posted it as well, under the typically overheated title “Men’s Rights Edmonton confronts fascists.” They screencapped images of both women from the video and announced their intention to uncover their personal information:

MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights.

Of course, this is ridiculous. Tearing down a poster that was almost certainly posted illegally in the first place isn’t “destruction of property.” No one is going to be prosecuted for this. The police have better things to do.

But of course that’s not the real intent here. The real intent here is to scare the shit out of these women and other feminists by exposing them to harassment online — like the woman labeled “Big Red” and countless other women who have been targeted by AVFM and other MRAs (sometimes completely erroneously).

AVFM’s Paul Elam gave the game away with an “editor’s note” added to the post:

[A] woman who vandalizes man’s property and then flips him off when he confronts her about it on a dark street at night only acts in this manner because she is certain she has absolutely nothing to fear. Feminists terrified of MHRAs? My ass.

Elam could not have made it any clearer: the main point of this kind of “activism” — which has become AVFM’s bread and butter — is all about intimidating women, not helping men.

AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.”

Here’s the appropriate response to that:

edmontonfingerPN

CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: I rewrote the paragraph starting with “A Voice for Men took exception,” which confused AVRM/MR-E’s current objection to Gotell’s views with its original “argument” against the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign.

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cloudiah
11 years ago

There once was a man named Reynard,
Who fought for men’s rights REALLY hard.
By visiting a blog,
Commenting like a rabid dog,
Until manboobzers hoisted him on his own petard.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
11 years ago

I slaved in coal mines
just to save you women from
feminist icebergs

cloudiah
11 years ago

I guess we’re supposed to be writing from the dudebro perspective, but I can’t seem to channel that kind of impotent rage this morning.

And boo to defacing art (unless it’s ephemeral art, like posters, in which case it’s okay to be sad that it’s gone but get a fucking grip, dudes — if you want a poster to last, frame it and hang it somewhere secure).

cloudiah
11 years ago

Oooh, how do you tell an iceberg is a feminist iceberg?

When it spermjacks you and garnishes your wages for child support?

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

Women are human.
It’s not a hard concept.
I learnt it at six,
Still playing with plastic bricks.
MRAs, it’s not that you’re not men,
Nor beneath any respect,
But deep in your minds you’re still boys.

lionicle
11 years ago

It’s good to know that all those times I put on a brave face while thinking I was terrified, I wasn’t actually terrified.

I’ve been reading the youtube comments on this and they’re defending the use of words like “fascism,” “vandalism,” “dictator,” and “private property” to the death.

So if tearing down a poster makes you a fascist dictator, isn’t insisting the poster remain up in a public place sort of the same thing? It’s funny how they’re treating these posters as if they’re a one of a kind, family heirloom, and not just a piece of paper which there are a hundred more copies of. MR-E couldn’t have simply put another copy up to replace the ones that were taken down. Oh no! They had to feign helplessness, as if these women had taken away all their future printing rights.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

It’s funny how they’re treating these posters as if they’re a one of a kind, family heirloom, and not just a piece of paper which there are a hundred more copies of. MR-E couldn’t have simply put another copy up to replace the ones that were taken down. Oh no! They had to feign helplessness, as if these women had taken away all their future printing rights.

It’s almost as if they have a victim mentality, isn’t it? Which is funny, because they’re always telling us that we’re the ones with the victim mentality… it’s weird.

Tristan Gareth-Grey
11 years ago

@ Alice

Thank you for making me laugh this afternoon. You have no idea how much I needed it. Very hilarious! 😀 & yes, I guess I am a FGTOW. Except, no MGTOW ever inspired me to do anything. & I’m pretty much already a recluse already.

Tristan Gareth-Grey
11 years ago

^^^^

Sorry for the redundant “already”. I’m very tired. :/

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

I can’t imagine what it’s like this expend that much time and energy convincing yourself SMELLY POON is the worst thing ever and you need to hide from it because it’s coming to get you.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Someone should spoof this but replace the OMG VAGINAS with sweaty balls.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

CassandraSays – You just gave me an idea… *rubs hands evilly*

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Also, wait, am I spoofing CIO’s thing? Because now I’m wondering what I’m doing… 😛

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Wrong thread – I was thinking we should spoof the man who’s terrified of vaginas.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

“The men who fear vaginas” sounds like a spoof of “the men who stare at goats.”
Fear of ladybits gives you ESP!!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Actually I think fear of ladybits just gives you a really lonely life, full of anger and bitterness.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Unless it stands for Extra Sexist Perception, in which case you may have a point.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Okay, I’m working on the spoof right now. I’ll post said spoof on the appropriate thread when I’m done. *nod*

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

Extreme Silliness and Pitiability *nod*

kittehserf
11 years ago

Oooh, how do you tell an iceberg is a feminist iceberg?

When it attacks a ship so all the wimmin and children will be saved and the MEN WILL BE LEFT TO DROWN OMG MISANDRY MATRIARCHY AAAAAHHHH

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

I admit to having fantasized about defacing Confederate art monuments around here. But I suppose humanity would be better served by me writing things that they would never approve of.

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
11 years ago

Feminists sank the Titanic!
To spill good men’s blood they were frantic
They feed on men’s pain
and they suck out men’s brains!
Guys, if you see a feminist, PANIC!

kittehserf
11 years ago

There’s a bloke I see on the way to work sometimes, who wears a Confederate hat. I always feel like asking if he knows what it is, and if so, is he indifferent to its meaning, appallingly naive, harbouring a lifelong crush on Scarlett O’Hara/Vivien Leigh, or a racist. (He’d be in his sixties, there’s nothing to suggest hipster irony fail about him.)

kittehserf
11 years ago

hippodameia, LOL!

These poems should go into another Manboobz collection.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

“Guys, if you see a feminist, P-A:N(c)!”

FTFY XD