So the self-described “human rights activists” at A Voice for Men have found three more women to harass. Here’s the story, which for many of you will have a depressingly familiar ring:
Members of Men’s Rights Edmonton, a small group that is for all intents and purposes a local chapter of A Voice for Men, has been putting up pictures targeting Lise Gotell, the chair of women’s and gender studies at the University of Alberta. The pictures, which seem inspired by “Wanted” posters of yore, feature a large portrait of Gotell and the caption:
Theft isn’t black. Bank fraud isn’t Jewish. And rape isn’t male.
“Just because you’re paid to demonize men doesn’t mean rape is gendered. Don’t be that bigot.
Gotell’s crime? She was involved in what appears to have been a remarkably effective rape awareness campaign focusing on date rape and featuring the slogan “Don’t Be That Guy.”
A Voice for Men took exception to the campaign because, even thought it did deal with the male victims of rape, it didn’t devote equal time to the problem of evil, false-accusing “girls.” No, really. Men’s Rights Edmonton Activists put up “satirical” versions of the campaign’s posters with the slogan “Don’t Be that Girl.” Now, MR-E and AVFM, at least according to the “argument” advanced on their new poster, seem to be upset that the campaign didn’t devote equal time to the problem of female rapists. [Note: this paragraph has been corrected; see note at end of piece.]
Gotell spoke out against the posters, and now Men’s Rights Edmonton and AVFM are doing their best to smear her as a “bigot.” Because she doesn’t believe that women are responsible for half of all rapes.
Since this is not actually true — more on this in a later post — it’s hard to see how this makes her a bigot.
As a rule, I don’t support tearing down the posters of one’s ideological enemies. Free speech and all that. But these posters are different: they’re slanderous personal attacks designed to harass an individual. Were they posted in my neighborhood I would tear them down.
And evidently that’s what some people in Edmonton have been doing.
Indeed, one recent night, several members of Men’s Rights Edmonton claim to have caught two women doing just that. While they don’t seem to have video footage of the women tearing down the posters, the MRAs filmed themselves following the women down the street and angrily confronting them for this alleged crime.
They posted the video to YouTube, and AVFM posted it as well, under the typically overheated title “Men’s Rights Edmonton confronts fascists.” They screencapped images of both women from the video and announced their intention to uncover their personal information:
MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights.
Of course, this is ridiculous. Tearing down a poster that was almost certainly posted illegally in the first place isn’t “destruction of property.” No one is going to be prosecuted for this. The police have better things to do.
But of course that’s not the real intent here. The real intent here is to scare the shit out of these women and other feminists by exposing them to harassment online — like the woman labeled “Big Red” and countless other women who have been targeted by AVFM and other MRAs (sometimes completely erroneously).
AVFM’s Paul Elam gave the game away with an “editor’s note” added to the post:
[A] woman who vandalizes man’s property and then flips him off when he confronts her about it on a dark street at night only acts in this manner because she is certain she has absolutely nothing to fear. Feminists terrified of MHRAs? My ass.
Elam could not have made it any clearer: the main point of this kind of “activism” — which has become AVFM’s bread and butter — is all about intimidating women, not helping men.
AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.”
Here’s the appropriate response to that:
CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: I rewrote the paragraph starting with “A Voice for Men took exception,” which confused AVRM/MR-E’s current objection to Gotell’s views with its original “argument” against the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign.
themaskandrose, all of the photos I’ve seen of these posters show them posted illegally on telephone poles. Tearing down posters posted illegally on poles is not actually vandalism.
I’m sorry that post was rude. Give me a moment and I’m sure I’ll calm down enough to write a proper response.
Thank you Cassandra. Because HOLY FUCKING SHIT BATMAN did I just fucking get told I only fucking because someone fucking told me I fucking…*head explodes*
Seriously, the only reason I am not screaming explitives is I’d probably wake up pecunium and he needs to get up in 5.5 hours…and fuck, I asked him to wake me up before he leaves for work. I should go to bed… (I’m emailing him expletives instead!)
I have fucking family members who were raped. And many of the commenters here are rape victims, too, many of which aren’t female. So go fuck yourself you insensitive piece of shit.
And yes I’m fucking shaming you for being an asshole – that’s what you deserve. I’m sick of people like you.
I’m sorry. *gives hugs to Melody and Argenti*
Melody — that was perfectly justified in my book. And I’m sorry, and offer hugs (or booze, or chocolate, though I’m low on furry critters at present, pecunium is not a current furinati servant!)
Melody, you needn’t apologize. Maskandrose’s post is one of the most assholish I’ve ever seen on here and personally I think the banhammer is called for.
Hugs if you want them, Argenti.
Argenti and Melody – you’re both awesome, he’s a delusional asshole with an axe to grind. Remember that everyone reading along knows that.
I offer wanted jedi hugs to Melody as well.
Sorry, my bad. Here’s one that’s not behind a content wall. The other one was really delightful, though, because it had bare breasts with skulls covering the nipples.
In every one of his pictures, the right eye is slightly higher than the left. There’s a special kind of terrible that involves being consistently bad in exactly the same way.
Sorry, I’ll just rephrase that and say hugs if you want them, Melody. My previous post sounded way different from what I intended.
On the picture, where is there a triangle on one boob and a square on the other in the boob window?
I do love hugs. And chocolate.
I miss having pets. Pets make everything better.
I wish there was more certainty in my life because, if it were, I’d have cats. They really do make it better.
I need to remake my YouTube cat videos playlist. I’d link mine here, except for the fact that I’m thinking of blogging, and in the case of someone calling for me to be doxed, I want to make it harder for them to find me.
@Futrelle–I appreciate that you corrected your misrepresentation of the posters, AFTER publishing it and AFTER writing an article about its impact and AFTER a random commenter pointed out that you need to do your homework first because it changes the message of half of what you wrote. Like I said, you only make yourself look stupid by doing that, please read up on the topics you’re discussing before you go into la-la land and write “articles” about them.
Also, you once again fail in your efforts to make Elam look like a terrorist. I know you’re butthurt that he left your “debate” failure up on his site, but the logic you’re using to attack him is so retarded that once again you look stupid.
What He Said: They’re not terrified.
What You Claim He Means: We need to terrify them!
What the fuck? He was pointing out, and I’m typing this to you for the second time now since I guess it takes a few times for things to really hit their mark with you, that they are LYING and playing the BOOHOO VICTIM GAME when they claim they’re terrified of MHRAs because their actions say otherwise. That’s all he was pointing out, another instance of their being liars. Absolutely NOWHERE has he or anyone else encouraged ANYONE to terrify other people. Once again, this makes you a disingenuous jackass.
My understanding is that the posters were on public posterboard, along with many others.
Speaking of YouTube, does anyone know a way to permanently disable the “do you want to link your Google/whatever ID here” reminders? Apparently “no” doesn’t turn them off.
CassandraSays – nope. I wish, I don’t really want to do that, and they finally forced it on me today. Damn it Google, I don’t want a Google+ profile, seriously I don’t!
On that note, here’s the reconstructed playlist of happy-making cute animal videos.
Cassandra: as best I can tell, those are shine marks.
I want to know where her rib cage is, since her and go all the way up to her boobs.
*abs
Only weak, ugly feminist women need ribs. We get them deliberately put in just to make boners sad.
I’m watching the secret life of cats. I figured since I just watch the secret life of the dog I should watch a cat documentary too.
Long-distance hugs for Melody and Argenti, and anyone else who wants them. They come with a bonus scattering of virtual cat furs.
Speaking of G+…remember rapist ex #2 // stalker ex? Guess who G+ thinks I might want to add?
Yeah.
And seeing how I cannot deal with how asshole is going to respond to the “#2” part of that…g’night.