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For A Voice for Men, and its Edmonton offshoot, terrifying women is a form of “human rights activism.”

Men's Rights Edmonton activist at work
Men’s Rights Edmonton activist at work

So the self-described “human rights activists” at A Voice for Men have found three more women to harass. Here’s the story, which for many of you will have a depressingly familiar ring:

Members of Men’s Rights Edmonton, a small group that is for all intents and purposes a local chapter of A Voice for Men, has been putting up pictures targeting Lise Gotell, the chair of women’s and gender studies at the University of Alberta. The pictures, which seem inspired by “Wanted” posters of yore, feature a large portrait of Gotell and the caption:

Theft isn’t black. Bank fraud isn’t Jewish. And rape isn’t male.

“Just because you’re paid to demonize men doesn’t mean rape is gendered. Don’t be that bigot.

Gotell’s crime? She was involved in what appears to have been a remarkably effective rape awareness campaign focusing on date rape and featuring the slogan “Don’t Be That Guy.”

A Voice for Men took exception to the campaign because, even thought it did deal with the male victims of rape, it didn’t devote equal time to the problem of evil, false-accusing “girls.” No, really. Men’s Rights Edmonton Activists put up “satirical” versions of the campaign’s posters with the slogan “Don’t Be that Girl.” Now, MR-E and AVFM, at least according to the “argument” advanced on their new poster, seem to be upset that the campaign didn’t devote equal time to the problem of female rapists.  [Note: this paragraph has been corrected; see note at end of piece.]

Gotell spoke out against the posters, and now Men’s Rights Edmonton and AVFM are doing their best to smear her as a “bigot.” Because she doesn’t believe that women are responsible for half of all rapes.

Since this is not actually true — more on this in a later post — it’s hard to see how this makes her a bigot.

As a rule, I don’t support tearing down the posters of one’s ideological enemies. Free speech and all that. But these posters are different: they’re slanderous personal attacks designed to harass an individual. Were they posted in my neighborhood I would tear them down.

And evidently that’s what some people in Edmonton have been doing.

Indeed, one recent night, several members of Men’s Rights Edmonton claim to have caught two women doing just that. While they don’t seem to have video footage of the women tearing down the posters, the MRAs filmed themselves following the women down the street and angrily confronting them for this alleged crime.

They posted the video to YouTube, and AVFM posted it as well, under the typically overheated title “Men’s Rights Edmonton confronts fascists.” They screencapped images of both women from the video and announced their intention to uncover their personal information:

MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights.

Of course, this is ridiculous. Tearing down a poster that was almost certainly posted illegally in the first place isn’t “destruction of property.” No one is going to be prosecuted for this. The police have better things to do.

But of course that’s not the real intent here. The real intent here is to scare the shit out of these women and other feminists by exposing them to harassment online — like the woman labeled “Big Red” and countless other women who have been targeted by AVFM and other MRAs (sometimes completely erroneously).

AVFM’s Paul Elam gave the game away with an “editor’s note” added to the post:

[A] woman who vandalizes man’s property and then flips him off when he confronts her about it on a dark street at night only acts in this manner because she is certain she has absolutely nothing to fear. Feminists terrified of MHRAs? My ass.

Elam could not have made it any clearer: the main point of this kind of “activism” — which has become AVFM’s bread and butter — is all about intimidating women, not helping men.

AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.”

Here’s the appropriate response to that:

edmontonfingerPN

CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: I rewrote the paragraph starting with “A Voice for Men took exception,” which confused AVRM/MR-E’s current objection to Gotell’s views with its original “argument” against the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign.

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coffeeyum
coffeeyum
11 years ago

Emily – That article is stunning in its lack of logic. How the hell does it make sense for women to pick a partner they can’t mooch off of just so they can mooch off their folks? Or is it a having your cake and eating it too thing? Considering the women in question want to actually be attracted to the guy they’re with. And I love how it’s seemingly reasonable for the parents to be concerned about their prospective SIL’s ethnicity in regards to providing for their daughter. As if his skin tone could cancel out a fat bank account. Because they’re totally not freaking out about having non-Aryan grandchildren.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

I think that the “females” is their way of dehumanizing women, and of excluding trans women. They are trying to be all “scientific” by using the term, and I think it really just distances themselves from women and reinforces this bullshit biotruths “women are totes different from men!” like they’re different species or something…

kittehserf
11 years ago

That’s how I see it, SittieKitty. Not that it’s a recent thing, of course; it goes back centuries. But of course MRAs add their own brand of toxic sludge to everything.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

Wait, MRAs give a shit about trans women? I can’t even imagine.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I still think that using “females” for everyone is partially an attempt to blur the boundaries.

Yeah, I agree, I just don’t think they’re worried about being seen as creepy. They’re only worried about it being illegal (so unfair!).

Speaking of unfair misandry, in the last 24 hours they have posted not one, not two, but THREE posts on r/mr about what misandry it is that there’s a tumblr devoted to shaming men who take up too much space (i.e. more than one seat) because they’re splaying their legs wide to give their MASSIVE balls breathing room. One post even has a scientific theory for why men need to do this, which sounds quite a bit like Tom Martin’s theories of hard chairs.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

Does anyone know where the hell Augzilliary went? I’m sure I spelled hir name wrong.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

LBT – I think that the MRAs only care to say that trans* women are manginas who betrayed their sex and who have decided to try to come to the dark side only to be rejected.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I’m sorry, I should have posted links! (And it’s actually FOUR stories in the last three days.)

1. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1mfr7g/this_seems_to_be_a_bogus_charge_against_mens/

2. http://www.policymic.com/articles/64043/dear-men-your-balls-are-not-that-big

3. http://judgybitch.com/2013/09/16/people-need-to-stop-being-dicks-on-the-subway-by-taking-up-way-too-much-space-oh-wait-no-just-men-need-to-stop-doing-that-more-equality/

4. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1mnqrk/why_men_sit_with_their_legs_apart_spoilers_its/

The last is the funniest, Tom Martin-esque STEM science theory of why men do this, with bonus points for we-built-the-subway-for-you justification. (Oh yeah? If you built the subways, why didn’t you just make the seats wider to accommodate your huge balls? Huh?)

coffeeyum
coffeeyum
11 years ago

cloudiah – If there balls are that massive they should probably go see a doctor.

kittehserf
11 years ago

cloudiah – they would get in a lather about being told to keep their goddamn knees together! I think I know that tumblr. I liked someone’s go-to line for these guys: “My ass is bigger than your balls.”

coffeeyum
coffeeyum
11 years ago

*their

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

cloudiah –

A group of people are sitting on a subway train in New York City. A WOMAN gets on the train and sits down on a seat. On the next stop, a DUDEBRO gets on the train, and chooses to sit next to the woman, spreading his legs out and jabbing his knees into her legs.

The woman tries to ignore it for two stops, but eventually it becomes too much for her, and she decides to speak up.

Woman: is nervous Um, excuse me. Um, can you not stretch your legs out so wide? Your knees are jabbing into my thighs, and it’s really uncomfortable.

Dudebro: FUCK YOU NO.

Woman: surprised Why?

Dudebro: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH FOR YOU. WE BUILT THE SUBWAY FOR YOU. WE INVENTED COMPUTERS AND THE INTERNET FOR YOU AND WE BUILT ALL OF CIVILIZATION WHILE YOU WERE SITTING ON YOUR MISANDRY HARD CHAIRS EATING BON-BONS.

Woman: confused … wait, what? I… I don’t even like bon-bons. Also, um, didn’t Grace Hopper make the first compiler?

Dudebro: MISANDRY!!11!

During this time, we’re passing through another two stops.

Woman: noticing what the next stop is Oh, here’s my stop!

As soon as the train pulls in, woman gets off the train quickly.

Dudebro: yelling at the now closing doors LEAVE YOU BIGOTED [insert your choice of various misogynistic slurs here]. I’LL FIND YOU AND PUT YOU ON REGISTER-HER! I SWEAR IT!

Everyone else on the train looks confused and is left wondering what the hell happened and what is the big deal with the fucking asshole yelling about “misandry” or something.

Child: You are a weirdo.

Dudebro: MISANDRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

becausescience
becausescience
11 years ago

Wow. That’s just..illogical. It’s like they don’t want to try to convince people of their viewpoints, they just wanna fight.

Probably because they’re an anti-feminist/anti-woman propaganda machine. Spreading the message is more important than the message making any sense.

They put posters up in a place where they think they’ll be likely to be torn down so that they can provoke confrontations with women and get them on video, knowing that they can post the footage online and use it to keep the propaganda machine churning.

Then they complain about being silenced while trying to doxx/harass women they don’t like, in the hopes that the women will be intimidated into silence.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Alice, that could be an A Voice for Pierre script!

kittehserf
11 years ago

Child: You are a weirdo.

Dudebro: MISANDRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

I am now totally seeing dudebro as Tom Martin.

Or in his case, dudbro (©katz), since Tom’s pretty much the epitome of a dudbro.

becausescience
becausescience
11 years ago

I’ve always thought that when AVFM, GWW, and other MRAs who try to explain why they did their “Don’t Be that Girl” poster parade, the explanations always seems mixed up. What I mean by this is that their arguments come from a lot of different directions and don’t really make sense when brought together.

There is a logic to it, it’s just that the logic serves to justify something utterly fucked up. They don’t want men to be told not to rape (this is “misandry” apparently), and they don’t want women to report they were raped, or to be believed if they do report it. They want it to be easier for men to rape women and get away with it.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@Alice

Nice (misandric) script. XD

becausescience
becausescience
11 years ago

Speaking of doxxing/harassment, there was an article in The Verge a few days ago about the prevalence of harassment and threats against women online:

TW: Rape threats, violence.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindness-weev-and-the-cult-of-the-angry-young-man

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

cloudiah – ^_^ Sure, if the person who does A Voice for Pierre wants do do it.

kittehs – Dudbro. Hah! *is giggling* I stole dudebro from Sinfest though, and I wanted a chance to use it. 😛

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Marie – *bows* I try. 😛

kittehserf
11 years ago

Alice – I’ve no idea where dudebro originated; I’ve only seen it here, but oy, it describes these jackasses.

katz is the proud creator of A Voice for Pierre, as well as of the term dudbro. I’m seeing a wonderful collaboration in the future. 🙂

becausescience:

There is a logic to it, it’s just that the logic serves to justify something utterly fucked up. They don’t want men to be told not to rape (this is “misandry” apparently), and they don’t want women to report they were raped, or to be believed if they do report it. They want it to be easier for men to rape women and get away with it.

THIS.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

kittehs – I know “dudebro” I’ve seen in Sinfest (it’s a pretty good feminist webcomic, actually; the earlier ones were more offensive for the heck of it, but the author realized that it was wrong and has since been trying to rectify that and do better). I don’t know where the term itself comes from though, although I’m quite sure it comes from SOMEWHERE (maybe Tumblr? Who knows?).

Ah, nice. 😀 If katz wants to adopt the script, he’s more than free to.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

*she

Afaik Katz is of the female persuasion. I think…Katz is one of those people where I can never seem to remember for sure, sorry Katz!

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Argenti – OOPS! My bad! Sorry Katz!

*this is why I should have used a gender neutral pronoun until I know better* >_>

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

You might want to check out druidwinter, it seems she (?) only is lifting David’s content directly for her blog without contributing anything beyond a spam link back to it, and that blog is an aggregate of TERF bullshit. It may be an automated bot by the TERF brigade to try and generate traffic for their sites (just like how they hijacked Pandagon’s old URL) by pulling feminist content and associating with TERF bigotry.