So the self-described “human rights activists” at A Voice for Men have found three more women to harass. Here’s the story, which for many of you will have a depressingly familiar ring:
Members of Men’s Rights Edmonton, a small group that is for all intents and purposes a local chapter of A Voice for Men, has been putting up pictures targeting Lise Gotell, the chair of women’s and gender studies at the University of Alberta. The pictures, which seem inspired by “Wanted” posters of yore, feature a large portrait of Gotell and the caption:
Theft isn’t black. Bank fraud isn’t Jewish. And rape isn’t male.
“Just because you’re paid to demonize men doesn’t mean rape is gendered. Don’t be that bigot.
Gotell’s crime? She was involved in what appears to have been a remarkably effective rape awareness campaign focusing on date rape and featuring the slogan “Don’t Be That Guy.”
A Voice for Men took exception to the campaign because, even thought it did deal with the male victims of rape, it didn’t devote equal time to the problem of evil, false-accusing “girls.” No, really. Men’s Rights Edmonton Activists put up “satirical” versions of the campaign’s posters with the slogan “Don’t Be that Girl.” Now, MR-E and AVFM, at least according to the “argument” advanced on their new poster, seem to be upset that the campaign didn’t devote equal time to the problem of female rapists. [Note: this paragraph has been corrected; see note at end of piece.]
Gotell spoke out against the posters, and now Men’s Rights Edmonton and AVFM are doing their best to smear her as a “bigot.” Because she doesn’t believe that women are responsible for half of all rapes.
Since this is not actually true — more on this in a later post — it’s hard to see how this makes her a bigot.
As a rule, I don’t support tearing down the posters of one’s ideological enemies. Free speech and all that. But these posters are different: they’re slanderous personal attacks designed to harass an individual. Were they posted in my neighborhood I would tear them down.
And evidently that’s what some people in Edmonton have been doing.
Indeed, one recent night, several members of Men’s Rights Edmonton claim to have caught two women doing just that. While they don’t seem to have video footage of the women tearing down the posters, the MRAs filmed themselves following the women down the street and angrily confronting them for this alleged crime.
They posted the video to YouTube, and AVFM posted it as well, under the typically overheated title “Men’s Rights Edmonton confronts fascists.” They screencapped images of both women from the video and announced their intention to uncover their personal information:
MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights.
Of course, this is ridiculous. Tearing down a poster that was almost certainly posted illegally in the first place isn’t “destruction of property.” No one is going to be prosecuted for this. The police have better things to do.
But of course that’s not the real intent here. The real intent here is to scare the shit out of these women and other feminists by exposing them to harassment online — like the woman labeled “Big Red” and countless other women who have been targeted by AVFM and other MRAs (sometimes completely erroneously).
AVFM’s Paul Elam gave the game away with an “editor’s note” added to the post:
[A] woman who vandalizes man’s property and then flips him off when he confronts her about it on a dark street at night only acts in this manner because she is certain she has absolutely nothing to fear. Feminists terrified of MHRAs? My ass.
Elam could not have made it any clearer: the main point of this kind of “activism” — which has become AVFM’s bread and butter — is all about intimidating women, not helping men.
AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.”
Here’s the appropriate response to that:
CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: I rewrote the paragraph starting with “A Voice for Men took exception,” which confused AVRM/MR-E’s current objection to Gotell’s views with its original “argument” against the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign.
Soooo, sticking with the fallacy of composition, good, start as you mean to continue. And an anecdote… good. Tell me, if the plural of anecdote is not data, what is the singular of anecdote not?
Aside from what he’s saying about his own reasoning capacity by attempting to make data out of a single anecdote, and more to the point, what is Elam saying about men when he asserts that all male feminists are driven by sexual motives? And why sidestep such a question in favour of anecdotes? Surely it’s not as if the hero of manhood is implying anything unpleasant about men’s cognitive or decision making abilities?
Is Jason new? I know I haven’t been coming to manboobz on the regular lately, but……
Too bored to read Jason’s possibly fake interview until he bothers to link to a source.
@melody
I believe he just got here today.
I think I missed a lot of new people.
🙁
Jason is relatively new, but he is so tedious I feel like he has been my cranky neighbor for 50 years. Come Halloween, there will be prankage.
Umm really random and not relevant at all, but does anybody here watch the daily show?
Also, seriously Jason, one example =! the entire movement.
I… could not get the point of that interview
@melody
sorryz, I don’t.
melody – I would but I don’t have cable. I’m also lazy to catch up. Why?
@ Marie No biggie.
The point, @fade, is that one person claiming to be a feminist being an asshole means ALL feminists are EXACTLY like that.
@Alice I just got a little irritated at last nights show. Overall, fine…….
But there was a joke that being an employer in today economy is like being a fake geek girl at a convention (meaning the men flock to you)…….And I was like *RAGE*
Sorry, I wasn’t clear. I mean wtf did hugo think he was saying? Its his job to explain sexism to women by pretending to explain it to men? it seemed really… confusing
Remember kids: check your geek girl for her certificate of authenticity!
@Fade:
There isn’t one. It’s just more of the same “Woe is me, But Forsooth, A Changeth Man Am I! What Yonder Dawn Dawns, I shall Once Again Become who I Always Imagined I was”.
Poppycock
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@Jason
Yes, exactly. Not to mention the insipid idea that what women in their heart of hearts really need is a man, a father, a good little person, to heal their woundedness because they’re so fragile and oh so poor and oh noes. And, obviously, no one can at all become the kind of person he was proscriving people should be, that too is impossible, because blah blah blah.
I think we can safely amend your statement to be: “Reason number one billion why fools should stay away from activism”.
melody – Oh, yeah, RAGE. Seriously, what the hell does that mean?
I’ve been here once before. The opposition was not impressive that time, either.
melody – Oh wait, I just reread your comment and I understood it. Still mad. What the hell?
I love John Stewart but he makes snarky references about groups that already have enough marginalisation to deal wish and I really wish he didn’t reinforce that shit. I know it’s not intentional but I still sigh.
And Colbert can be totally transphobic.
Jason, you might find your opposition is more impressive if you give us a reason to bother to be. Try starting with some basic rationality in your arguments. A handy hint would be dropping the mutually exclusive complaints, but failing that you should at least try to dress up your fallacies behind layers of obfuscation. Learn from the creationists you are so ably emulating.
cloudiah – I know that the Colbert show’s a satire on conservatives, but still, transphobia sucks.
“I’ve been here once before. The opposition was not impressive that time, either.”
Hear that, folks? We need to put up a more impressive performance. Got any ideas? I think we need a rock band and festive decorations.
It made me really upset. I enjoy John, but that really ruined the episode for me.
I go to cons and have had to deal with guys playing drill sergeant about my knowledge of the comics. Its annoying because I like many character/franchises and expecting me to have read/memorized over 6,000 batman comics is ridiculous.