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For A Voice for Men, and its Edmonton offshoot, terrifying women is a form of “human rights activism.”

Men's Rights Edmonton activist at work
Men’s Rights Edmonton activist at work

So the self-described “human rights activists” at A Voice for Men have found three more women to harass. Here’s the story, which for many of you will have a depressingly familiar ring:

Members of Men’s Rights Edmonton, a small group that is for all intents and purposes a local chapter of A Voice for Men, has been putting up pictures targeting Lise Gotell, the chair of women’s and gender studies at the University of Alberta. The pictures, which seem inspired by “Wanted” posters of yore, feature a large portrait of Gotell and the caption:

Theft isn’t black. Bank fraud isn’t Jewish. And rape isn’t male.

“Just because you’re paid to demonize men doesn’t mean rape is gendered. Don’t be that bigot.

Gotell’s crime? She was involved in what appears to have been a remarkably effective rape awareness campaign focusing on date rape and featuring the slogan “Don’t Be That Guy.”

A Voice for Men took exception to the campaign because, even thought it did deal with the male victims of rape, it didn’t devote equal time to the problem of evil, false-accusing “girls.” No, really. Men’s Rights Edmonton Activists put up “satirical” versions of the campaign’s posters with the slogan “Don’t Be that Girl.” Now, MR-E and AVFM, at least according to the “argument” advanced on their new poster, seem to be upset that the campaign didn’t devote equal time to the problem of female rapists.  [Note: this paragraph has been corrected; see note at end of piece.]

Gotell spoke out against the posters, and now Men’s Rights Edmonton and AVFM are doing their best to smear her as a “bigot.” Because she doesn’t believe that women are responsible for half of all rapes.

Since this is not actually true — more on this in a later post — it’s hard to see how this makes her a bigot.

As a rule, I don’t support tearing down the posters of one’s ideological enemies. Free speech and all that. But these posters are different: they’re slanderous personal attacks designed to harass an individual. Were they posted in my neighborhood I would tear them down.

And evidently that’s what some people in Edmonton have been doing.

Indeed, one recent night, several members of Men’s Rights Edmonton claim to have caught two women doing just that. While they don’t seem to have video footage of the women tearing down the posters, the MRAs filmed themselves following the women down the street and angrily confronting them for this alleged crime.

They posted the video to YouTube, and AVFM posted it as well, under the typically overheated title “Men’s Rights Edmonton confronts fascists.” They screencapped images of both women from the video and announced their intention to uncover their personal information:

MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights.

Of course, this is ridiculous. Tearing down a poster that was almost certainly posted illegally in the first place isn’t “destruction of property.” No one is going to be prosecuted for this. The police have better things to do.

But of course that’s not the real intent here. The real intent here is to scare the shit out of these women and other feminists by exposing them to harassment online — like the woman labeled “Big Red” and countless other women who have been targeted by AVFM and other MRAs (sometimes completely erroneously).

AVFM’s Paul Elam gave the game away with an “editor’s note” added to the post:

[A] woman who vandalizes man’s property and then flips him off when he confronts her about it on a dark street at night only acts in this manner because she is certain she has absolutely nothing to fear. Feminists terrified of MHRAs? My ass.

Elam could not have made it any clearer: the main point of this kind of “activism” — which has become AVFM’s bread and butter — is all about intimidating women, not helping men.

AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.”

Here’s the appropriate response to that:

edmontonfingerPN

CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: I rewrote the paragraph starting with “A Voice for Men took exception,” which confused AVRM/MR-E’s current objection to Gotell’s views with its original “argument” against the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign.

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hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Frankly, I see little difference between the actions of the U of T protestors and George Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door.

Uh-huh, sure you do, because your hangnail is the most important thing EVAH. Fuck off.

Ally S
11 years ago

David Futrelle hasn’t condemned it once, so I can only assume he supports it as well.

He has condemned those actions, actually. But since you’re an asshole, I won’t bother trying to dig up the link for you. Look for it yourself.

Fade
11 years ago

I haven’t publicly condemned keying people’s cars, so I support it!

/logic!

mildlymagnificent
11 years ago

fade Depends on your taste in clothes, but if you’re really uncomfortable you might find something more suitable in … ta daaa! … the maternity section. Front opening bras that are constructed with comfort and convenience as real considerations rather than ignored or merely given lip service are a great boon to the world.

Look for a ‘singlet’ style rather than with straps and you might find something wearable if not glamorous. Most of them are unsuitable for tank tops and for similarly open tops, but if you often wear t-shirts and similar stuff, they’re worth a try.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

::sigh:: what’d george wallace do? (probably don’t want to know, but curious :/) or would y’all prefer if I just google.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

Apparently the Candian Associationj for Equality is having to pay $960 to the University of Toronto for police fees for an upcoming talk on men’s issues

So you’re defending their actions, Cloudiah? Pulling fire alarms, making noise to try and shut the event down, spitting at and assaulting police trying to clear the doors, shouting epithets in the faces of men trying to enter the hall peacefully… that’s acceptable behavior?

Dude… are you a time traveller?

Fade
11 years ago

hmm

I might try that. I know marie wants to go bra shopping at target, and I might checkout their maternity section

thanks for the advice!

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@fade

haha, I’m less needing to go bra shopping now that I got a new one, but I’ll tag along with you for funsies 😛

cloudiah
11 years ago

Ha ha, pointing out that it is common for Universities to charge groups in these circumstances is something that someone just said in a comment over at AVfM. So I guess that dude is ALSO defending their actions.

Things I also have not condemned publicly:
* brushing your teeth with salad dressing
* setting fire to cheese
* cattle rustling
* wearing crotchless pantaloons

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@cloudiah

but setting fire to cheese makes for great food!

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

That’s what they’ve done before. And I have no doubt they’ll do it again at this rally. (Although the media will be there this time, so they might scurry back to their burrows to avoid revealing themselves publicly.)

Fade
11 years ago

@cloudaih

ninja’d by my sister! I’m going to post this anyway, because i’m bitter.

Set fire to cheese! Specifically, fry kasetee cheese and then pour lemon juice over it, take out to a table, and set it on fire for a few seconds for show and serve it up! It tastes great.

*saganaki love*

Ally S
11 years ago

Things I also have not condemned publicly:
* brushing your teeth with salad dressing
* setting fire to cheese
* cattle rustling
* wearing crotchless pantaloons

LOL

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Are we talking about bras?

I think I need to go to a specialty shop for bras. I have a weird bra size apparently, but I need to get fitted first.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

While it’s on my mind… Jason! Why is it that Elam would assert, without, I should mention, any evidence at all to back him up, that the motivation for men to be feminists is sexual in nature? What are the implications of this? What is Paul Elam saying about men and their capacity for rational agency?

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Fade: OPA!

Seconding the saganaki love.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@alice

yes,we are talking about bras 😀

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Also, seriously, Jason, not everything a dude does is to get laid, just like not everything a female does is to get laid. Seriously, if you think everything that everyone does is to get laid, you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Marie – I noticed. 😛

I did a preliminary measuring at home, and it says 30DD (UK sizing) for a first guess. The problem is that the stores near home don’t sell size 30 bands, let alone 30DD so that I can see whether my guess was right or not. I might have to go out some way to see whether I can get fitted at this upscale shop and get a new bra.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@Alice

wow, good luck bra shopping. I’ve had a hard time finding my size in stores but not too that extent 😮

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

While it’s on my mind… Jason! Why is it that Elam would assert, without, I should mention, any evidence at all to back him up, that the motivation for men to be feminists is sexual in nature? What are the implications of this? What is Paul Elam saying about men and their capacity for rational agency?

It’s probably related to coal miners, and women marrying up. Since feminists are the top social dogs ahead of the pond, where everyone is super awesome, men try to become feminists because they know it’s the only way they’ll ever have copulations with another human being (who is female).

Or something.

I haven’t worn a lot of bras in my day, so I can’t join this particular conversation. I have worn a fair amount of leather and chain mail, so I can tell you that extra support straps in the back is always a plus.

I’m just assuming there’s some carry over.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Marie – I’m hoping so too. I hate wearing my current bras because they don’t fit, and I want a better fitting bra that’s more comfortable!

There is an upscale shop about an hour away on bus from my school campus that I could go to. I’ve been planning to drop in and ask for a fitting, so that I can get a decent bra.

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

Well, Hugo Schwyzer was the big shining star of male feminism, and look what he admitted to doing…

Fade
11 years ago

Um… wut?

ew.

no.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

That’s not really how that works, I think.

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