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For A Voice for Men, and its Edmonton offshoot, terrifying women is a form of “human rights activism.”

Men's Rights Edmonton activist at work
Men’s Rights Edmonton activist at work

So the self-described “human rights activists” at A Voice for Men have found three more women to harass. Here’s the story, which for many of you will have a depressingly familiar ring:

Members of Men’s Rights Edmonton, a small group that is for all intents and purposes a local chapter of A Voice for Men, has been putting up pictures targeting Lise Gotell, the chair of women’s and gender studies at the University of Alberta. The pictures, which seem inspired by “Wanted” posters of yore, feature a large portrait of Gotell and the caption:

Theft isn’t black. Bank fraud isn’t Jewish. And rape isn’t male.

“Just because you’re paid to demonize men doesn’t mean rape is gendered. Don’t be that bigot.

Gotell’s crime? She was involved in what appears to have been a remarkably effective rape awareness campaign focusing on date rape and featuring the slogan “Don’t Be That Guy.”

A Voice for Men took exception to the campaign because, even thought it did deal with the male victims of rape, it didn’t devote equal time to the problem of evil, false-accusing “girls.” No, really. Men’s Rights Edmonton Activists put up “satirical” versions of the campaign’s posters with the slogan “Don’t Be that Girl.” Now, MR-E and AVFM, at least according to the “argument” advanced on their new poster, seem to be upset that the campaign didn’t devote equal time to the problem of female rapists.  [Note: this paragraph has been corrected; see note at end of piece.]

Gotell spoke out against the posters, and now Men’s Rights Edmonton and AVFM are doing their best to smear her as a “bigot.” Because she doesn’t believe that women are responsible for half of all rapes.

Since this is not actually true — more on this in a later post — it’s hard to see how this makes her a bigot.

As a rule, I don’t support tearing down the posters of one’s ideological enemies. Free speech and all that. But these posters are different: they’re slanderous personal attacks designed to harass an individual. Were they posted in my neighborhood I would tear them down.

And evidently that’s what some people in Edmonton have been doing.

Indeed, one recent night, several members of Men’s Rights Edmonton claim to have caught two women doing just that. While they don’t seem to have video footage of the women tearing down the posters, the MRAs filmed themselves following the women down the street and angrily confronting them for this alleged crime.

They posted the video to YouTube, and AVFM posted it as well, under the typically overheated title “Men’s Rights Edmonton confronts fascists.” They screencapped images of both women from the video and announced their intention to uncover their personal information:

MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights.

Of course, this is ridiculous. Tearing down a poster that was almost certainly posted illegally in the first place isn’t “destruction of property.” No one is going to be prosecuted for this. The police have better things to do.

But of course that’s not the real intent here. The real intent here is to scare the shit out of these women and other feminists by exposing them to harassment online — like the woman labeled “Big Red” and countless other women who have been targeted by AVFM and other MRAs (sometimes completely erroneously).

AVFM’s Paul Elam gave the game away with an “editor’s note” added to the post:

[A] woman who vandalizes man’s property and then flips him off when he confronts her about it on a dark street at night only acts in this manner because she is certain she has absolutely nothing to fear. Feminists terrified of MHRAs? My ass.

Elam could not have made it any clearer: the main point of this kind of “activism” — which has become AVFM’s bread and butter — is all about intimidating women, not helping men.

AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.”

Here’s the appropriate response to that:

edmontonfingerPN

CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: I rewrote the paragraph starting with “A Voice for Men took exception,” which confused AVRM/MR-E’s current objection to Gotell’s views with its original “argument” against the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign.

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hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Jason’s an MRAbot. Put a quarter in him and he spews out all their lameass talking points, right down to male “disposability.”

Which, like misandry, is not a thing.

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

Proud atheist here. Standing strong against all dogmas, including feminism.

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

“Katz: Oh, I can’t wait to hear his theories on the poor. This oughtta be good.”

Most homeless people are men, most people stuck in the worst jobs are men. So yeah.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Being yet another asshole atheist is nothing to be proud of, Jason.

xoxo, another atheist and proud feminist.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

Oh, hey, cool. He brought up male disposability. Yeah, that’s irrational nonsense, dude. Sorry, but it is. Stop whining about the lack of women in dangerous jobs, or stop whining about how women attempting to break into these dangerous jobs will destroy the universe. Can’t do both.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@Alice

Marie – I know, but seriously, a large amount of people consider all atheists to be untrustworthy assholes, which really pisses me off.

That sucks 🙁 Idk how to articulate thoughts well, but basically yeah people shouldn’t be saying they’re untrustworthy assholes.

When people think they can silence men by insinuating that they are all losers and that that is a witty retort instead of a blatant display of female privilege, misandry exists.

::Snortle:: This…happens? GOod, lord, female privilege?

When people tell you to woman up and support your family, rather than man up and support your family, you can go on about misandry not existing

what is toxic masculinity?

When absences of women in professions like coal mining and sanitation are made and then it’s treated like men’s fault that that women weren’t leaping over themselves to do those jobs, I’ll give a shit about your opinion.

Women try to get into those jobs. Like women have been trying to get into the military. It’s not that women don’t want them, it’s that men don’t want them in, and when women do manage to get in they are harrassed. try again.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Jason had nothing on the poor but the same old same old. I am disappoint.

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

Well, men are better suited to those jobs, because we’re stronger. (Sorry! You guys typically have no problem accepting that men are stronger when it comes to domestic violence, when you’re trying to find a reason why a man hitting a woman is worse than a woman hitting a man.)

chibigodzilla
chibigodzilla
11 years ago

Standing strong against all dogmas, including feminism except MRM dogmas.

FTFY

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Then quit your complaining about women not being in those jobs. Like Atywren said, you can’t have it both ways, cupcake.

katz
11 years ago

Proud atheist here. Standing strong against all dogmas, including feminism.

Alice, freemage, et al: I’m so sorry.

greendaywantsavatars
greendaywantsavatars
11 years ago

Jason, have you ever seen a bell graph?

SOME men are stronger than SOME women. There is a huge intersection.

And… I don’t think a man hitting a woman is worse than a woman hitting a man. I think doing more damage is worse…? SO if the woman does a lot of damage and the man just slaps somebody she’s worse? So i don’t even know what you’re going on about.

PS, don’t whine about how women should be taking the cruddy jobs and then say “well you can’t do it b/c manmuscles!” pick one

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Of course Jason’s never seen a bell graph. That would entail pulling his head out of his ass.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@jason

Proud atheist here. Standing strong against all dogmas, including feminism.

::facepalm:: I’m sure there are some feminist atheists here… ::sigh::

Most homeless people are men, most people stuck in the worst jobs are men. So yeah.

Citation needed.

Well, men are better suited to those jobs, because we’re stronger.

You know, in jobs were you need physical strength, it does make sense that more would be men. However, women who are strong enough still should be able to do those jobs. I don’t think your statistical chance of having higher upper body strength is all it’s cracked up to be.

(Sorry! You guys typically have no problem accepting that men are stronger when it comes to domestic violence, when you’re trying to find a reason why a man hitting a woman is worse than a woman hitting a man.)

Keep fucking that strawman. Men hitting women is bad. Men hitting men is bad. Women hitting men is bad. Women hitting women is bad. No one is saying men hitting women is worse. PLease respond to someone’s actual argument, instead of what you imagine feminists sounding like.

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

And here’s another thing: traditionally, women married up. They married men who did things for them that they couldn’t. So, with female coal miners, I think the fear is that those male coal miners will suddenly become useless. Men are taught that they can’t be loved unless they’re useful. Like all creatures, men want to be loved. If you want more female coal miners? Start marrying down.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

HYPERGAMY!!! BINGO, FUCKERS!

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

Men are taught that they can’t be loved unless they’re useful.

again, i’ll take toxic masculinity for 500 points.

katz
11 years ago

Most homeless people are men, most people stuck in the worst jobs are men. So yeah.

Okay, and if they need food assistance, what do they have to do in return? Because you already said that they can’t just take altruism without giving anything back.

greendaywantsavatars
greendaywantsavatars
11 years ago

*sigh*

Dude, make up your mind. Do you want more women and men to be equal in dangerous jobs, or do you want to coddle men who work dangerous jobs egos so they can feel useful and secure in their statistically likely to be higher upper body strength?

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

Feminists are atheists the same way a Christian who doesn’t believe in Allah or Thor is a “Christian atheist.”

greendaywantsavatars
greendaywantsavatars
11 years ago

wut…?

Ally S
11 years ago

(A “rape threat” would be pretty stupid, since I don’t want to stick my dick in most feminists.)

Yeah, go fuck yourself Jason.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

Feminists are atheists the same way a Christian who doesn’t believe in Allah or Thor is a “Christian atheist.”

wait what? I can’t make any sense of this? XD

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

I want men and women to be equal in all things. That includes marrying down.

chibigodzilla
chibigodzilla
11 years ago

So Jason, just out of curiosity, if someone gets a bag of groceries from their local food bank, what do they owe in return?

So, this statement reminded me of this story from a while back:
http://www.passiveaggressivenotes.com/2013/07/07/a-happy-ending/

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