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For A Voice for Men, and its Edmonton offshoot, terrifying women is a form of “human rights activism.”

Men's Rights Edmonton activist at work
Men’s Rights Edmonton activist at work

So the self-described “human rights activists” at A Voice for Men have found three more women to harass. Here’s the story, which for many of you will have a depressingly familiar ring:

Members of Men’s Rights Edmonton, a small group that is for all intents and purposes a local chapter of A Voice for Men, has been putting up pictures targeting Lise Gotell, the chair of women’s and gender studies at the University of Alberta. The pictures, which seem inspired by “Wanted” posters of yore, feature a large portrait of Gotell and the caption:

Theft isn’t black. Bank fraud isn’t Jewish. And rape isn’t male.

“Just because you’re paid to demonize men doesn’t mean rape is gendered. Don’t be that bigot.

Gotell’s crime? She was involved in what appears to have been a remarkably effective rape awareness campaign focusing on date rape and featuring the slogan “Don’t Be That Guy.”

A Voice for Men took exception to the campaign because, even thought it did deal with the male victims of rape, it didn’t devote equal time to the problem of evil, false-accusing “girls.” No, really. Men’s Rights Edmonton Activists put up “satirical” versions of the campaign’s posters with the slogan “Don’t Be that Girl.” Now, MR-E and AVFM, at least according to the “argument” advanced on their new poster, seem to be upset that the campaign didn’t devote equal time to the problem of female rapists.  [Note: this paragraph has been corrected; see note at end of piece.]

Gotell spoke out against the posters, and now Men’s Rights Edmonton and AVFM are doing their best to smear her as a “bigot.” Because she doesn’t believe that women are responsible for half of all rapes.

Since this is not actually true — more on this in a later post — it’s hard to see how this makes her a bigot.

As a rule, I don’t support tearing down the posters of one’s ideological enemies. Free speech and all that. But these posters are different: they’re slanderous personal attacks designed to harass an individual. Were they posted in my neighborhood I would tear them down.

And evidently that’s what some people in Edmonton have been doing.

Indeed, one recent night, several members of Men’s Rights Edmonton claim to have caught two women doing just that. While they don’t seem to have video footage of the women tearing down the posters, the MRAs filmed themselves following the women down the street and angrily confronting them for this alleged crime.

They posted the video to YouTube, and AVFM posted it as well, under the typically overheated title “Men’s Rights Edmonton confronts fascists.” They screencapped images of both women from the video and announced their intention to uncover their personal information:

MR-E would like to know the names of these two women so that charges of destruction of property can be laid against them. Also, the world should know the identities of those who seek to silence and censor messages advocating for human rights.

Of course, this is ridiculous. Tearing down a poster that was almost certainly posted illegally in the first place isn’t “destruction of property.” No one is going to be prosecuted for this. The police have better things to do.

But of course that’s not the real intent here. The real intent here is to scare the shit out of these women and other feminists by exposing them to harassment online — like the woman labeled “Big Red” and countless other women who have been targeted by AVFM and other MRAs (sometimes completely erroneously).

AVFM’s Paul Elam gave the game away with an “editor’s note” added to the post:

[A] woman who vandalizes man’s property and then flips him off when he confronts her about it on a dark street at night only acts in this manner because she is certain she has absolutely nothing to fear. Feminists terrified of MHRAs? My ass.

Elam could not have made it any clearer: the main point of this kind of “activism” — which has become AVFM’s bread and butter — is all about intimidating women, not helping men.

AVFM, where terrifying individual women is “human rights activism.”

Here’s the appropriate response to that:

edmontonfingerPN

CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION: I rewrote the paragraph starting with “A Voice for Men took exception,” which confused AVRM/MR-E’s current objection to Gotell’s views with its original “argument” against the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign.

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katz
11 years ago

Double parking cards, jaywalking cards…Oh, and we’ll have to make sure to establish a card exchange. Lots of people are going to be unloading their arson and blackmail cards and wanting a few dozen misdemeanor cannabis cards in trade.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Also, seriously, 1 out of 20 men having admitting to raping someone isn’t large enough for you Jason? Really? You actually want to play that game of “how much is too much”?

The stupidity hurts my head. 🙁

Fade
11 years ago

No, I love the idea of one “get out of jail free” card. Do we get one for each type of crime, or just one we can spend on anything? Either way I’ll have to carefully think about who I want to murder.

I think that I’ll use my get out of jail free card on robbing a bank. I’ll have enough money to go to school AND buy e-motion power assist wheels for my wheelchair!

And where did you get one in forty men being rapists?

To be fair, I think he was saying people in general, not men.

Also, what’s with continuing bringing up OCD? Idk what the troll is even trying to do anymore…

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

Dang, that link shouldn’t go on that long…

One in 20 is a small minority.

Nope.

1 in 25 people is a psychopath, remember? 1 in 50 has OCD?

And those still aren’t terribly rare. What’s your point? (also, I see howard bannister has picked apart this better.)

If only men are rapists, then 1 in 40 people out there is a rapist.

No, because men aren’t the only rapists out there, sheesh.

But probably not the ones you know, probably rapists are overrepresented at the lower echelons of society

suuurrreee they are cupcake. Sure they are.

Ps citation needed.

pps, anyone getting a classist/racist vibe coming from this?

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

So why on earth do you think rapists are more likely to be in the “lower echelons of society”

Perhaps because, like most crimes, rape is about powerlessness, not power?

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

PS: on the OCD, between 1 and 3 perfect is about one in fifty, as he says. Except that’s the guesswork, and it notes that actual diagnoses are much lower. Which, well, there’s a can of worms, I think we know that’s bogus…

The point is that if you add up all the possibly OCD people with all the possibly psycopath people and all the other categories, well, you’re still not even anywhere near the number of serial rapists.

BUT THERE’S NO PAAATREEARKY, JASON SAID SO

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@fade

I think that I’ll use my get out of jail free card on robbing a bank. I’ll have enough money to go to school AND buy e-motion power assist wheels for my wheelchair!

I’ll spend mine on vandalism. I’ve only seen one, but everytime I see those damn prolife billboards I wanna scream.

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

It’s so funny how, half the time, your genius feminist responses to me are something along the lines of “HAHAHA” and “NO.”

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

Perhaps because, like most crimes, rape is about powerlessness, not power?

*headdesk*

Okay Jason, actual citations, not that hard. I don’t want to hear anymore explanations pulled from your ass.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

@Jason

Fuuuuuuuck.

Right, yeah, totally.

Only Lisak’s survey was of college-bound men, i.e., higher echelons, and McWhorter’s was of Navy recruits, i.e., lower echelons, and THEIR NUMBERS WERE DAMN NEAR IDENTICAL.

DO THE READING BEFORE YOU SOUND OFF, OR YOU SOUND AS IGNORANT AS YOU ARE

Fade
11 years ago

Perhaps because, like most crimes, rape is about powerlessness, not power?

Do you have any EV. I. DENCE?

katz
11 years ago

I’ll spend mine on telling Jason where to shove it…Oh wait, I don’t need a card to do that!

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

It’s so funny how, half the time, your genius feminist responses to me are something along the lines of “HAHAHA” and “NO.”

read the headline. we MOCK misogyny. It’s not our job to carefully refute it. Though I’m still trying, because I”m bored.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Perhaps because, like most crimes, rape is about powerlessness, not power?

You are truly a terrible person.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

It’s so funny how, half the time, your genius feminist responses to me are something along the lines of “HAHAHA” and “NO.”

…it’s funny that you can’t see that you’ve put so little thought and effort into your posts that your own posts are little more than that. We’re just scraping off the excess verbiage you pump in to make yourself feel like you’re making a cogent argument.

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

Well, none of you assholes ever have to worry about rape…

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

I’m just so happy I got to be the one to point out the headline to the troll that’s the first time I’ve got to do that all on my own.

katz
11 years ago

It’s so funny how, half the time, your genius feminist responses to me are something along the lines of “HAHAHA” and “NO.”

Wow, it’s almost like everything you say is either a) completely ridiculous or b) completely horrifying. Or both.

Off-topic: Humon drew an adorable picture of bears. (No, the other kind.)

Fade
11 years ago

… What does that mean, Jason?

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@jason

cute. Pulling the ‘your unfuckable card.’ grow up.

troll meltdown commencing in 3…2…

also, I think most people would be HAPPY not to worry about rape, and what you said was terrible to any survivors here (and I know there are some).

Go hug a cactus, you insufferable prick.

cloudiah
11 years ago

It’s so funny how, half the time, your genius feminist responses to me are something along the lines of “HAHAHA” and “NO.”

That’s because half of us are doing such a fantastic job of pulverizing your arguments, that the other half can just point and laugh while saying NOPE.

Fade
11 years ago

RE: unfuckable card

If that’s what it is, I am going to need to puke… *bleh*

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@katz

I’m sure that picture is misandry somehow 😛

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Well, none of you assholes ever have to worry about rape…

Ah, the ‘unrapeable’ comment, implying that rape is a compliment that only ever happens to sexy people.

Required Reading: Rape is NOT a compliment.

Jason
Jason
11 years ago

See, that’s how feminists operate. Pick at you and pick at you until you say something nasty, and then parade it around for the world to see. Like you did to TheAmazingAtheist.

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