So I want to move on from the whole Pax Dickinson thing, but I feel I would be remiss to do so without first mentioning a remarkable post on Roosh’s Return of King blog with the seemingly innocuous title Pax Dickinson And The Culture Of Tolerance. Written by a Roosh forum regular who goes by the name scorpion (nice), the post is ostensibly a critique of alleged “cultural Marxists” whom, he charges, “claim to be tolerant of everything [yet] are … intolerant of traditional masculine behavior … .”
But his post is in fact a plea for intolerance so over the top that, save for some manosphere-specific jargon, and its focus on “feminists, white knights, manginas, fat acceptance activists and homosexuals” rather than, you know, Jews, it might as well have come straight from the pages of Hitler’s Mein Kampf.
I know, I know. Godwin. But just read this shit. Scorpion accuses the “politically correct internet hit squad” of
encouraging and mainstreaming the most bizarre and marginal human behaviors in a perverse quest to prove themselves the most tolerant of all their peers. …
What this is, really, is the elevation of the deranged and deformed along with the simultaneous tearing down of the strong and traditional. They are threatened by the sight of a masculine, red pill man like Pax Dickinson who unapologetically speaks his mind without fear of offending anyone. … Every time they see him they are acutely conscious of their own inferiority, so they conspire to end him. It’s like a gang of angry, deformed and diseased street cripples overcoming a confident and successful alpha male.
Yeah, not so much.
It’s here that Scorpion really begins to channel old Mr. Hitler.
These people don’t understand that by tolerating every type of degenerate behavior, they are destroying the culture. Imagine what would happen if your immune system suddenly became tolerant of everything. Within days or weeks your body would become host to dozens of infections and viruses, and you would quickly die. That’s exactly what these people are doing to our culture. … And so the body of the West has become filled with disease.
That. my friends, is Fascism.
Naturally, Scorpion predicts that these nasty “cultural Marxists” will get what’s coming to them in the end:
A backlash against these people is starting to build. … Within a few decades will come a rebirth of more traditional values, and these cultural Marxist social justice warriors will become nothing more than a relic of an ignominious era in our history. … Our descendents will be unable to comprehend how such an absurd ideology was able to take root in society. It will be as incomprehensible and perverse to them as the idea of suddenly chopping off their own body parts (which is fittingly a practice esteemed by the social justice warriors under the guise of “transgenderism”).
Is there some sort of new requirement that every article on Return of Kings contain transphobia?
These fools think they have found the one true god, but in reality they are simply a cult of death and decay. They are the patron saints of the sick and the twisted, the degenerate and the deformed. … It’s too late to save the West as we currently know it; but like a Phoenix, a new Western culture will rise from the ashes, a culture with traditional values and a healthy immune system to protect itself against degenerate cultural scum. And it won’t soon tolerate these worshippers of tolerance.
Yes, that’s right, a gang of Don Juan wannabes on an internet forum, united around a skeezy sex tourist and self-professed date rapist, have managed to convince themselves that they are the last bastions of traditional morality in a world gone wrong.
In the wake of Roosh’s viciously racist attacks on the critics of Dickinson, and his publishing of what is essentially a fascist tantrum, I think it’s fair to say that he has thrown his lot in entirely with the racist right wing of the manosphere, alongside such other charming fellows as Heartiste and Jack Donovan and Matt Forney. Indeed, in some ways he’s even outdoing them in the hate department. (Donovan in particular is a lot more affable about his racism.)
It’s a weird choice on Roosh’s part, because the hardest-core white supremacists out there have made very clear that they don’t see him as one of them. Because he’s of Persian descent, and therefore, in their minds, not really white. Indeed, several years back, one regular on the notorious Stormfront forums posted a “warning to Estonian women” that
[a] really nasty sex tourist from America (of Middle Eastern descent) has arrived in Tartu, Estonia. He came from Latvia after staying there a month or two. His goal is to lure into sex as many Estonian women as possible, especially very young girls. His name is Daryush Valizedeh, nickname – Roosh, and he is a pick up artist who believes women should be treated “like garbage”. This includes beautiful, young white women of Baltic and Nordic descent.
The Stormfronters tracked him as he made his way around Eastern Europe; one suggested he was not only not white but that he was literally part Neanderthal.
Roosh and the neo-Nazis: sounds like a match made in heaven.
That Stormfront link is a base calumny.
Against Neanderthals.
Of course. We are sworn to do it, by our pretty floral bonnets.
Fascist is not an unfair word to use for this drivel. The term ‘cultural Marxism’ is heavily used by ultra-conservatives with fascist leanings who fear a breakdown of society through tolerance having gone way to far. One prominent such ‘thinker’ Anders Breivik.
*is Anders Breivik.
Aren’t we all, deep down, part Neanderthal? I thought that was the latest research.
Yes, that’s right, a gang of Don Juan wannabes on an internet forum, united around a skeezy sex tourist and self-professed date rapist, have managed to convince themselves that they are the last bastions of traditional morality in a world gone wrong.
Now, now, let’s not get too insulting. Don Juan (as depicted by Lord Bryon) would have been a whole lot better than these guys.
Something tells me Stormfront is it’s own little haven of misogyny. How charming.
Angry deformed diseased street cripples ARE the alpha!!! Doesn’t he know that? Mad hot and talented, they get to perform in seminal industrial bands and get with women these petulent ablist douchebags can’t. The reject who made that analogy already exhibits HIS inferiority by displaying his sad little line of thinking. Asshole.
Umm, his immune system analogy? Wanna guess what happens when your immune system attacks everything? Hint, everything includes everything.
Along with the usual auto-immune disorders and other such reactions, you can manage this potentially fatal result — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm
So sure, his movement will turn into an immune system attacking everything it sees fit, right until the cascade effect overloads it and it burns out and dies. His analogy is more fitting than he realizes.
(T’is is me not touching the trans phobia lest I start screaming)
Yeah, my husband is totally laughing over my shoulder.
@sarahliz: well, they’re fascists. There’s a 14-point formulation of fascism that I’m too lazy to look up right now, but it involves praising masculinity and attacking women. Also strict gender roles.
There was actual Nazi propaganda that ran Children, Church, Kitchen.
Being an asshole who’s making his company look bad by saying awful shit is not traditional male behavior. What a pack of cretins.
sarahliz: yeah, Stormfront is pretty misogynist too.
Wow. So Roosh thinks people are comparable to viruses and pathogens. On top of everything else, the ableism here is just STAGGERING.
They are the patron saints of the sick and the twisted, the degenerate and the deformed.
You know what, I never thought I would do this, but honestly, I feel like the best response I can possibly think of… is a Disney song.
I’m sorry, maybe I’m a little late to this party, but just what the heck is a “cultural” Marxist, anyway?
I’ll read the rest of the thread later, I just wanted to reply to Falconer – the only people who do not have some Neanderthal DNA are native subSaharan Africans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_genome_project
Bob Goblin, it’s a term that basically indicates that whoever is using it is a neo-Nazi or at least hangs out amongst neo-Nazis, since they’re really the only ones who use it. As far as I can tell, it’s sort of a catch-all term for feminists, liberals, etc etc, whom the they think are all secretly Marxists inspired by the Frankfurt school trying to take over the culture.
Bob: It’s an obsession of the American far right. Those guys argue that as allegedly (i.e., not really) formulated by Marxist thinkers like Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School (Theodor Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, Walter Benjamin, Max Horkheimer), leftists are trying to undermine the capitalist West by changing “traditional culture” – “undermining the family”, destroying religious faith, promoting the “gay agenda”, etc.
“[L]ike a Phoenix, a new Western culture will rise from the ashes, a culture with traditional values and a healthy immune system to protect itself against degenerate cultural scum.” Human beings as diseases, traditional values, phoenix-like rebirth: yep, that’s fascism.
What Malte said.
On the Neaderthal issue, there are actually a bunch of manosphere or manosphere-adjacent guys who think that there are a lot of people out there with significant neanderthal dna in them, and that they’re basically superior to everyone else. I ran across them a while ago; I should probably look them up again at some point and maybe write about them.
No surprise to see such near-fascist stuff from Roosh’s site. Roosh, like Pax Dickinson, is no stranger to the online “reactionary” cohort. Here’s one such near-fascist approvingly linking Roosh’s “use google against Nitasha Tiku” article on twitter:
https://twitter.com/mikeanissimov/status/378371822451830785
If it’s not obvious why I deem Mike Anissimov a near-fascist, it’s because, among other things, he has explicitly praised Julius Evora, an Italian thinker who was very influential among the Italian fascists (but who called himself anti-fascist, mostly because he thought they weren’t doing fascism right) before and during WWII.
Roosh has been drifting in this direction for quite a while. He really isn’t interested in “fornicating” as much as he is in fantasizing about fomenting some kind of revolution. Last year he hinted darkly that he would be releasing some sort of manifesto that would trigger some kind of cosmic shit storm (“I don’t want to write it, but it has to be written” he darkly intoned). I assumed that this promised project would be his own personal “Mein Kamf.” In fact, it inspired me to sit down and read the original “Mein Kamf,” but God help me, it’s so turgid and boring I can’t force myself through it.
Interesting about the Neanderthal theory. My partner and I were discussing that recently on a long car trip but neither of us were really informed about the latest thinking. If Europeans are part Neanderthal, that would at least help explain my shockingly large occipital ridge.