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Domestic violence laws are a crime against nature, according to pickup artist Roosh V

Roosh V explains something-or-other
Roosh V explains something-or-other

So apparently domestic violence laws are a crime against nature. Who knew?

Well, the repellent “game” guru and all-around human stain Roosh Valizadeh knows, or thinks he knows, and he devoted a long and strange post yesterday to explaining just why. Oh, and why laws forbidding bees from attacking ants are a bad thing.

We’re going to skip the bugs — they’re the main characters in a bizarre fable Roosh uses to start off his post — and move right on to the part of Roosh’s post that deals directly with human beings.

Here is his thesis, baldly (and badly) stated:

Creating laws to prop up the weak is like playing a game of musical chairs. … Domestic violence laws are a great example of this phenomenon. Assault and battery is already outlawed, but by creating a new class of laws that create privilege for a specific group, a new immunity is formed. The ecosystem is damaged, unprepared to take on the unintended consequences of misguided intervention.

Of course, by this logic, you could argue that pretty much all laws interfere with the “ecosystem.” Interesting that he only applies this argument to female victims of domestic abuse. (He seems unaware that male DV victims even exist.)

In Ukraine, I witnessed a man slap his girlfriend on a crowded pedestrian street. Over 20 men must have witnessed the event, but no one rushed to her aid. She also did nothing, not screaming or running away. With primitive (i.e. rarely prosecuted) domestic violence laws in Ukraine, you’d think that this sort of thing would happen all the time, but it was the first time I had seen it in a country that I had spent 6 months in. Men show surprising restraint when it comes to violence against their women, something that may be a shock to people living in countries with advanced domestic violence laws.

So … a guy hitting his girlfriend in public is proof of the restraint of Ukrainian men?

In the USA, with nearly two decades of such laws on the books, what do you see? Women hitting men and women attacking men they don’t even know. I’m sure you’ve seen many such videos on Youtube and LiveLeak, which make it seem like women are warriors, completely fearless of men.

Really? Argumentum ad YouTube? On YouTube, you can find videos of dudes farting on other dudes’ heads, dudes shooting bottlerockets out of their own asses, women climbing into plastic bags for no reason, and, well, these ingenious masochists.

I’m really not sure you can attribute any of these activities to specific pieces of legislation.

With their elevation as a special victim in need of state protection, there is usually no punishment for hitting men, even if the man hits back only to defend himself. Girl hits man, man pushes girl away, girl calls cops, man goes to jail.

The idea that a mere accusation from a “girl” will send a man to jail is simply not true. Yesterday, George Zimmerman’s estranged wife accused him of threatening her and others with a gun, and punching his father-in-law in the nose. He did not go to jail.

If she’s married, she gets an additional bonus of monthly cash payments once the divorce is settled. Encouraging a man to fight has become financially beneficial for women.

She may get awarded child support, which she’ll be lucky to collect. Very few women get alimony.

Like the ants, women know that the laws give them a pass. They are taking full advantage of it, predictably conforming to their environment. Men are demoted to second class citizens and live in fear of going to jail while women have impunity to act in any way they want. The result? Less marriage, more violent marriages, unhappy relationships, and more single parent households.

Yes, that’s right. Roosh is seriously arguing that domestic violence laws lead to “more violent marriages.” Never mind that, in fact, domestic violence has fallen dramatically in the US in the last two decades, in part because of laws like the Violence Against Women Act (which also protects male DV victims). According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, “the overall rate of intimate partner violence in the United States declined by 64%” from 1994 through 2010.

But Roosh doesn’t let things like facts get in the way of his rant.

Nature, while not perfect, has spend hundreds of thousands of years optimizing sex roles through trial and error to facilitate human reproduction. … Recent utopian schemes to “protect” women have ushered in policies that have no proven effectiveness, whether increasing the happiness of women, protecting the family unit, or advancing society in any form. They might as well have been pulled out of a top hat, an experiment done on the masses by those in power.

Yeah, “no proven effectiveness” — aside from the fact that they actually seem to have cut DV in half in less than 20 years.

Progressives, through their tinkering, are introducing disincentives that destroy even basic relationships instead of stabilizing them. Their policies have helped create men such as myself, who see absolutely no incentive to pursue a relationship in a country where I can go to jail and be robbed blind from a failed relationship or from a woman lying about how I treat her.

I don’t know what creates men such as yourself, but I’m pretty sure it’s not feminism.

Roosh goes on to note that in Ukraine, the kids he sees walking around with their parents “seem quite happy.” Oh, the kids you observe at a distance and know nothing about “seem happy?” That settles it! Top notch social science research work, dude!

Moreover, he adds,

In a place where women are not considered protected, some may even be surprised to never see women with bruises and black eyes, or see them getting beat up every day, screaming for help.

Yep, that’s right, so long as women aren’t walking around with visible bruises and/or getting beaten up in public, all is well and we can assume that domestic violence is not a problem at all.

In fact, as even a quick visit to useful web site known as “Google” will reveal, domestic violence is in fact a huge problem in Ukraine. Indeed, according to one 2009 survey cited here, a staggering 44% of Ukrainians have been victims of DV; 75% of them never sought help for it — not altogether surprising, for while the country does in fact have laws against it, they are generally fairly ineffective.

As Amnesty International noted in a recent report on the subject,

Perpetrators of domestic violence in Ukraine act with impunity. The Law on the Prevention of Violence in the Family does not provide adequate protection to victims of violence and perpetuates the myth that women are to blame for the violence that is perpetrated against them. Police often fail to take action when women report domestic violence and sometimes react inappropriately. Women who attempt to take the perpetrators to court are hampered by widespread corruption or find that the punishments imposed are inadequate.

And while DV in the US is down, government officials in Ukraine warn that DV rates there may be rising.

Roosh, if he knows any of this, doesn’t really give a shit.

There will always be an unfortunate level of violence between man and woman, but any attempt to fix it through random laws and policies, as has been done in America, will only make it worse. Nature, in spite of its flaws, is more often right than wrong.

Forgive me, but I really hope that Roosh is eaten by a bear.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Also, can I make a request? Maybe no more photos of Roosh? Because he looks like a serial killer here and it’s creeping me out every time I scroll past i

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

it. Seriously, it looks like a promo poster for a horror movie – Attack of the Zombie Date Rapists.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Seconding that. He looks spaced out at best in that photo.

Also, sitting around having his pic taken at home in a suit, while looking like his hair has never been introduced to a comb? This is a bloke who’s supposedly such a sharp dresser/peacocking PUA?

Ha!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

If I saw a peacock looking that disheveled I’d want to have a few sharp words with the zoo-keeper. Beginning with introducing them to the concept known as “bathing”.

kittehserf
11 years ago

LOL!

I saw a peacock at Phillip Island last year who’d put this lot to shame. He wasn’t showing off for peahens – there weren’t any around – he was posing on a tree stump for humans taking photos. Total catwalk model, it was a hoot.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

It seriously does look zombie-like and it’s bothering me. Like he should be saying “brains!”, but instead he’s ranting about feminism and violence and some other random crap and it’s just weird.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

Brz, have you ever considered just skipping the reactionary comments and just jerking yourself off alone in a darkened linen closet before anyone here suggests it?
Just a thought.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

In a certain way, what we’ve done together here was a kind of rehearsals : one day, I’ll lose everything because I’ll say something offensive, sexist, homophobic, ableist or whatever, something like having an opinion of my own which contradicts the multiculti/feminist doxa for example. It’ll be an IRL manboobzey toy-chewing session where the toy is burned at the end, your social life destroyed for a storm in a teacup, your job for a good word. I’ll experience the greatest narcissistic joy of my life, I’ll feel the bitter pleasure of being ostracized, I’ll enjoy the destruction of everything which is superfluous in my life, I’ll feel like a courageous intellectual dissident fighting against the evilness of the frightful dictatorial Big Mummy and I’ll have all of this by doing a quite modest effort : saying stuff. Martyrdom is cheap nowadays.

I actually like that. I find it well written and compelling.
The spiralling blurs of madness and misunderstanding that intertwine with your words add a nice layer of neat to it, too.

If you, in real life, at some point, to someone, say that you wish they were raped by a pack of black people, and you do not say this as a joke, a pun, or moment of exaggerated madness intended to convey your lack of sincerity in the threat (Like yelling: “I’ll stab you!” when someone gives you decaff and you’ve asked for tea), then yes.

Yes, Brz, you might deserve to be fired. Because you meant that insane statement in that moment, and felt that your frustrations were best expressed by wishing someone bodily harm, pain and suffering.

Which says a lot about what you consider appropriate.

I don’t want you to lose your job or social happiness, and, honestly, I hope you have a great life, but… Dude. Seriously. Between the choice of wanting someone to be raped and not doing so, you think fighting for the former is freedom of thought?

kittehserf
11 years ago

Cassandra – ” Like he should be saying “brains!”,”

It’s a pity he isn’t. He could do with some.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

Also, I just realized I’ve been handily skipping over people’s desire to avoid the phrase “Insane”, or other such terms re: descriptors.. I’m a bit fuzzy on where the line goes exactly, so I’ll avoid it from now on.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Maybe there’s some sort of primitive “you are what you eat” thing going on with the whole zombie idea. Although if we follow that principle I’m about 30% rice and 50% tea.

(The rest is meat, vegetables, and chocolate.)

kittehserf
11 years ago

Hmm, that means I’m mostly fish, meat, cheese, museli and chocolate biscuits at the moment. Plus tea and coffee and tea, of course.

Sounds ghastly, put like that.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

…at least 75% coffee…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Oh! I’m also part watermelon, since it’s been hot lately.

Unimaginative
11 years ago

I’m made almost entirely of coconut butter, ground pork, and coffee.

I don’t know how to link to individual comments, but over at Popehat’s free speech thread, Mark, Lord of the Albion Squirrels has just explained why people tweet asshole comments (and then get fired, and then a bunch of people swarm to offer unbelievably charitable interpretations of said tweets):

Possible money making scheme #108:

1) “Discover” new mental disorder: Twitter Aphasia Induced Nuance Tourette’s syndrome.

Cause: Ourdecliningeducationalsystem combined with long term exposure to general postmodern linguistic deconstructivist elements in micro length literary electronic communications.

Symptoms:
a) an inability to understand the connotation or nuance of words, phrases, and idioms within one’s first language. This narrow aphasia is especially pronounced for linguistic constructions deemed inflammatory, stupid, or offensive by non-sufferers.
b) a nigh overwhelming urge to use such words, phrases, or idioms often in speaking due to reaction-philic nature of syndrome
c) Inappropriate or controversial outbursts seem to become prevalent in tertiary stage of syndrome. Nuance/connotation aphasia is most pronounced during this period.
d) Repetitive vocalization consisting entirely of words related to denial – Example “outofcontext outofcontext”, “notwhatImeant notwhatImeant”, “Witchhunt witchhunt”
– is common in late stages.

2) Provide well paid expert testimony on this diabolical syndrome for wealthy/famous clients facing economic hardship, social opprobrium, or termination of employment caused by their “condition”.

3) Open expensive clinic/sanatarium to treat those suffering from syndrome after discovering my patented Subtle Nuance Optimization Relearning Technique.

4) Court ordered treatment for TAINT syndrome victims a possibility?

5) Profit.

http://www.popehat.com/2013/09/10/speech-and-consequences/comment-page-5/#comment-1110105

Unimaginative
11 years ago

Oh my god, I linked to the specific comment! How did I do that?

kittehserf
11 years ago

I’m probably partly cat fur, considering how much of it I breathe/swallow.

::hack hack hack::

kittehserf
11 years ago

Unimaginative – hi!

Did you right-click on the comment time? If you did, that lets you copy the link location. Bravo bravo!

Unimaginative
11 years ago

Hi, Kitteh 🙂 No, I have a trackpad on a MacBook, so right-clicking is a bit of an ordeal for me (holding down that command key is So. Much. Effort. Srsly). I must have clicked on something, though. Huh.

By the way, I’ve been kind of lurking lately, but I haven’t been keeping up with the conversations here enough to contribute anything. I’m enjoying you all immensely, though, so keep on keeping on.

Shaenon
11 years ago

In a certain way, what we’ve done together here was a kind of rehearsals : one day, I’ll lose everything because I’ll say something offensive, sexist, homophobic, ableist or whatever, something like having an opinion of my own which contradicts the multiculti/feminist doxa for example.

Or you could stop saying bigoted bullshit to people. That’s an option.

Honey, being a vocal bigot does not make you a brave freedom fighter. It just makes you an asshole, and assholes are not exactly in short supply.

katz
11 years ago

Your life is pretty sad if getting banned from a blog where everyone hates you qualifies as “losing everything.”

kittehserf
11 years ago

Shaenon – and when assholes are noisy, what are they producing? Gas, flatus, or feces.

Says it all about fauxfrench & co.

Jessay (@jessay)
11 years ago

The last time I saw a man hit “his” woman in public was over two years ago and before that I don’t think I ever had. Could it be that abusers just tend to save that shit for behind closed doors?

kittehserf
11 years ago

Yes, and on body parts that will be covered by clothing.

Jessay (@jessay)
11 years ago

I have exactly zero sympathy for someone who works in the FUCKING TECH FIELD who doesn’t understand that what you say on a public forum using your real name might get you in trouble in your actual life.

As for Dawkins, what is it with douchebag atheists and claiming that pedophilia is ok because their experience with it was nbd? The Amazing Atheist loooooves pedophilia. I could try and get real deep into the psychology of this but I’m not qualified, so instead I’ll just sit here baffled. Even if they weren’t actually bothered, putting words into someone else’s mouth who was is despicable.