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Domestic violence laws are a crime against nature, according to pickup artist Roosh V

Roosh V explains something-or-other
Roosh V explains something-or-other

So apparently domestic violence laws are a crime against nature. Who knew?

Well, the repellent “game” guru and all-around human stain Roosh Valizadeh knows, or thinks he knows, and he devoted a long and strange post yesterday to explaining just why. Oh, and why laws forbidding bees from attacking ants are a bad thing.

We’re going to skip the bugs — they’re the main characters in a bizarre fable Roosh uses to start off his post — and move right on to the part of Roosh’s post that deals directly with human beings.

Here is his thesis, baldly (and badly) stated:

Creating laws to prop up the weak is like playing a game of musical chairs. … Domestic violence laws are a great example of this phenomenon. Assault and battery is already outlawed, but by creating a new class of laws that create privilege for a specific group, a new immunity is formed. The ecosystem is damaged, unprepared to take on the unintended consequences of misguided intervention.

Of course, by this logic, you could argue that pretty much all laws interfere with the “ecosystem.” Interesting that he only applies this argument to female victims of domestic abuse. (He seems unaware that male DV victims even exist.)

In Ukraine, I witnessed a man slap his girlfriend on a crowded pedestrian street. Over 20 men must have witnessed the event, but no one rushed to her aid. She also did nothing, not screaming or running away. With primitive (i.e. rarely prosecuted) domestic violence laws in Ukraine, you’d think that this sort of thing would happen all the time, but it was the first time I had seen it in a country that I had spent 6 months in. Men show surprising restraint when it comes to violence against their women, something that may be a shock to people living in countries with advanced domestic violence laws.

So … a guy hitting his girlfriend in public is proof of the restraint of Ukrainian men?

In the USA, with nearly two decades of such laws on the books, what do you see? Women hitting men and women attacking men they don’t even know. I’m sure you’ve seen many such videos on Youtube and LiveLeak, which make it seem like women are warriors, completely fearless of men.

Really? Argumentum ad YouTube? On YouTube, you can find videos of dudes farting on other dudes’ heads, dudes shooting bottlerockets out of their own asses, women climbing into plastic bags for no reason, and, well, these ingenious masochists.

I’m really not sure you can attribute any of these activities to specific pieces of legislation.

With their elevation as a special victim in need of state protection, there is usually no punishment for hitting men, even if the man hits back only to defend himself. Girl hits man, man pushes girl away, girl calls cops, man goes to jail.

The idea that a mere accusation from a “girl” will send a man to jail is simply not true. Yesterday, George Zimmerman’s estranged wife accused him of threatening her and others with a gun, and punching his father-in-law in the nose. He did not go to jail.

If she’s married, she gets an additional bonus of monthly cash payments once the divorce is settled. Encouraging a man to fight has become financially beneficial for women.

She may get awarded child support, which she’ll be lucky to collect. Very few women get alimony.

Like the ants, women know that the laws give them a pass. They are taking full advantage of it, predictably conforming to their environment. Men are demoted to second class citizens and live in fear of going to jail while women have impunity to act in any way they want. The result? Less marriage, more violent marriages, unhappy relationships, and more single parent households.

Yes, that’s right. Roosh is seriously arguing that domestic violence laws lead to “more violent marriages.” Never mind that, in fact, domestic violence has fallen dramatically in the US in the last two decades, in part because of laws like the Violence Against Women Act (which also protects male DV victims). According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, “the overall rate of intimate partner violence in the United States declined by 64%” from 1994 through 2010.

But Roosh doesn’t let things like facts get in the way of his rant.

Nature, while not perfect, has spend hundreds of thousands of years optimizing sex roles through trial and error to facilitate human reproduction. … Recent utopian schemes to “protect” women have ushered in policies that have no proven effectiveness, whether increasing the happiness of women, protecting the family unit, or advancing society in any form. They might as well have been pulled out of a top hat, an experiment done on the masses by those in power.

Yeah, “no proven effectiveness” — aside from the fact that they actually seem to have cut DV in half in less than 20 years.

Progressives, through their tinkering, are introducing disincentives that destroy even basic relationships instead of stabilizing them. Their policies have helped create men such as myself, who see absolutely no incentive to pursue a relationship in a country where I can go to jail and be robbed blind from a failed relationship or from a woman lying about how I treat her.

I don’t know what creates men such as yourself, but I’m pretty sure it’s not feminism.

Roosh goes on to note that in Ukraine, the kids he sees walking around with their parents “seem quite happy.” Oh, the kids you observe at a distance and know nothing about “seem happy?” That settles it! Top notch social science research work, dude!

Moreover, he adds,

In a place where women are not considered protected, some may even be surprised to never see women with bruises and black eyes, or see them getting beat up every day, screaming for help.

Yep, that’s right, so long as women aren’t walking around with visible bruises and/or getting beaten up in public, all is well and we can assume that domestic violence is not a problem at all.

In fact, as even a quick visit to useful web site known as “Google” will reveal, domestic violence is in fact a huge problem in Ukraine. Indeed, according to one 2009 survey cited here, a staggering 44% of Ukrainians have been victims of DV; 75% of them never sought help for it — not altogether surprising, for while the country does in fact have laws against it, they are generally fairly ineffective.

As Amnesty International noted in a recent report on the subject,

Perpetrators of domestic violence in Ukraine act with impunity. The Law on the Prevention of Violence in the Family does not provide adequate protection to victims of violence and perpetuates the myth that women are to blame for the violence that is perpetrated against them. Police often fail to take action when women report domestic violence and sometimes react inappropriately. Women who attempt to take the perpetrators to court are hampered by widespread corruption or find that the punishments imposed are inadequate.

And while DV in the US is down, government officials in Ukraine warn that DV rates there may be rising.

Roosh, if he knows any of this, doesn’t really give a shit.

There will always be an unfortunate level of violence between man and woman, but any attempt to fix it through random laws and policies, as has been done in America, will only make it worse. Nature, in spite of its flaws, is more often right than wrong.

Forgive me, but I really hope that Roosh is eaten by a bear.

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Alice
Alice
11 years ago

Roosh calls a woman a “fat, ugly, Indian c*nt” for calling out a white man’s offensive tweets. His brilliant (gag) assessment:

I don’t personally know the guy, but he has a technical background that actually produces for the economy instead of being a hack activist writer who goes apeshit over a Ghetto Tracker app that aimed to keep people safe. If he gets fired, simply because of her efforts, I will weep for America. I will fucking weep on camera. No country can survive if hypersensitive women can control men’s lives this.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

He looks like he wants to be Dov Charney when he grows up. Please note that this is not a compliment.

It’s funny that he thinks that if American laws drive men like him to leave America then American women should see that as a negative side effect.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Actually I think the ants are meant to be women and the bees are meant to be men. I’m guessing the irony is unintentional.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Just read the Pharyngula thread on Dawkins. Oy, what a piece of shit, him and his fanbois (of whatever sex).

Ally: “I hated Dawkins when I was a conservative Muslim, and I hate Dawkins as a liberal non-religious person. And my reason has been constant: he’s a huge asshole who doesn’t know what he’s talking about most of the time.”

Yuppers. I could change that around and get the same result: “I hated Dawkins when I was agnostic-verging-on-atheist, and I hate Dawkins as a secular-deist-type person. And my reason has been constant: he’s a huge asshole who doesn’t know what he’s talking about most of the time.”

kittehserf
11 years ago

But if you want evil idiocy from atheists, just read Sam Harris.

Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens … at least three of the Four Bloviators are scumbags. All I know of Dennett is that he was keen on that idiotic, patronising “Brights” label, which says to me he’s not as bright as he thought he was.

kittehserf
11 years ago

karalora – Dawkins’s take seems to be “Everything is okay as long as it’s right-wing white atheist dudes doing it.”

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

The best comment in the Pharyngula thread was the one that pointed out that if Dawkins got his way we’d end up with the world exactly like the one we have now, with the only difference being that nobody would go to church.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Yes!

It’d probably be even worse, because he’d make sure all those brown people and hysterical women knew their place and kept quiet.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

So basically the world we had in the UK/America prior to the 60s.

kittehserf
11 years ago

And here, with the White Australia policy.

Did you see the link to Stephanie Zvan’s article about earlier instances of Dawkins’s disgraceful comments in the Pharyngula thread? He was tweeting about how children molested by clerics are just in it for the money, dredging up stuff against poor old fellows who are dead and can’t defend themselves. Rape apologism at its finest.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

What amuses me is that people who spout that crap think of themselves as brave iconoclasts fighting an oppressive system, when in fact they’re doing their best to prop one up.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Exactly. Dawkins is about as privileged and protected as they come, and it’s pretty obvious he’s blind to anyone else’s experience (and worse, dismissive of it). He hasn’t the slightest wish to change any actual oppression, because white dudes at the top of the pile is the natural order of things. I always get the feeling with the internet variety of Asshole Atheist that it’s white boys in the US, mostly, whining because they aren’t in the power hierarchy of religion. Dawkins doesn’t even have that excuse, since he seems pretty comfortable with Anglicanism and the establishment in general, and I side-eye the idea that a man (specifically a man) with his power and privilege, in England, is in any way oppressed by being atheist.

Xen
Xen
11 years ago

Really? These guys say that men are superior, yet act as if restraining themselves from needless violence is the hardest thing on earth. Just go away, you’re embarrassing all the decent men out there. And please, if a a women beats the crap out of a guy the law is going to call her out on it too.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Kitteh — but he’s defending the children! Won’t you please think of those poor children raised with religion? It’s so much worse than…

Nope, never mind, can’t say it even jokingly.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Yeah, it’s just mind-bogglingly awful. Mind you, 99% of what Dawkins spews seems to be.

If you want a real laugh – a customer just walked in and said, “You’ve got a lot of books here.” The boss said (in the back office) “We’re a bookshop” and he and I lost it. /Python

Brz
Brz
11 years ago

Did anyone see this? Guess Roosh is making a habit of harrassing women via twitter. I can’t even…

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-27956.html

I see that the guy who’d said “offensive things” (= who’d expressed opinions which contradict 101 feminist dogmas) has been fired. Nice, you can now get fired just for having the audacity of expressing a non-leftoid opinion in public.

In a certain way, what we’ve done together here was a kind of rehearsals : one day, I’ll lose everything because I’ll say something offensive, sexist, homophobic, ableist or whatever, something like having an opinion of my own which contradicts the multiculti/feminist doxa for example. It’ll be an IRL manboobzey toy-chewing session where the toy is burned at the end, your social life destroyed for a storm in a teacup, your job for a good word. I’ll experience the greatest narcissistic joy of my life, I’ll feel the bitter pleasure of being ostracized, I’ll enjoy the destruction of everything which is superfluous in my life, I’ll feel like a courageous intellectual dissident fighting against the evilness of the frightful dictatorial Big Mummy and I’ll have all of this by doing a quite modest effort : saying stuff. Martyrdom is cheap nowadays.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

If this is a rehearsal then lose everything = say dumb things in public and be laughed at. Truly a fate worse than death (or baptism, to get us back on topic).

kittehserf
11 years ago

FauxFrench has lost his accent again, I see.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Brz just thinks that’s brave, edgy honesty, and Pax deserves a medal.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

And today in cool story bro, Brz wants to be a martyr for the cause of, um, saying whatever racist thing he wants with impunity?

Sorry dude, that ship sailed somewhere around the end of lynchings.

Kitteh — but do you have jellied eels?

Ally S
11 years ago

Reading Brz’s comment made my eyes roll all the way to Russia again. Oh well. Hopefully someone will find them there.

Alice
Alice
11 years ago

@Brz

My point is that YOUR EMPLOYER IS ALLOWED TO FIRE YOU IF THEY DON’T LIKE YOUR OPINIONS. You are a representative of that company. If you endanger their profitability by making them look racist/sexist/homophobic they have a right to fire you. If you want to spew offensive garbage on the internet and not be fired for it then become a freelance blogger like Roosh.

And take your histrionic rant and shove it. My eyes are bleeding.

leftwingfox
11 years ago

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop huffing paint.

I mean, the Lawyers Guns and Money blog had an oblique post about sexism in the tech industry. Without clicking the links, I thought it was about the Techcrunch titstare app, then when I saw a comment about “Pax” I thought they meant the Moar Dickwolves comment at Penny Arcade Expo, then clicked the links to see the poor oppressed douchenugget Brz wants to defend.

Are we done yet? Can we take a break? No. DAMMIT DAWKINS!

kittehserf
11 years ago

Argenti – no, nor even any pie!