Over on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog, a dude who calls himself Tuthmosis has provided a useful list of “24 Signs She’s A Slut” in order to help aspiring PUAs to figure out whether or not the HB 6 they’ve been negging all night is going to eventually succumb to their drunken, er, “charms.”
Much of the list is basically rehashed PUA conventional wisdom: sluts have tattoos and lots of piercings; they dye their hair unnatural colors, wear revealing clothes, and have daddy issues.
PUAs really have a thing about women with tattoos, huh?
Others simply reflect a certain assertiveness on the part of the women in question: they curse, they talk about drugs or sex. Oh my! Must be a slut!
But Tuthmosis has a few more, well, novel additions to the list. Like #5 here:
Not ticklish. I’ve noticed that girls who aren’t ticklish aren’t so because they’re used to being handled (by men). Almost every prude is super ticklish, while sluts are rarely so. Sluts may have a physical response to light touching, but it’s rarely a tickled sensation.
Really? When I was young, I was very ticklish. Now, not at all. I haven’t been handled by a lot of men. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)
I actually tried to look up what SCIENCE says about ticking only to discover that it doesn’t say much. But I’m going to go out on a giant limb and say that Tuthy’s theory here is complete bullshit. Some people are more ticklish than others. Some people start out ticklish and get less ticklish. Some people like being tickled, some people hate it. People who look to Roosh for advice on how to lead their lives are assholes.
Tuthy’s #9 reason is pretty special:
Has extra body hair (arms, girl-sideburns, girl-mustache) and/or a low speaking voice. This, I’m told, is simple biology. More hair and low voice equals more testosterone. It’s an imperfect metric, though, because women of certain ethnicities are just more hirsute by default.
Oh, that’s why it’s an “imperfect metric.”
Oh, and speaking of “imperfect metrics,” here’s #3, which is probably my favorite:
Has “slut face.” You either recognize it or you don’t.
Works for men, too. Here’s Roosh himself. TOTAL slut face!
And then there’s #22:
Describes herself as a feminist or with any of its jargon (“pansexual,” “demi-sexual,” “cis-gendered”). You may not be able to stand a feminist long enough to bang her yourself but, in trying to prove she can do everything a man can do, she likely fucks with impunity.
Yeah, that’s not actually why feminists have sex. They have sex because they like sex. Feminists may be — on average — more blunt and straightforward about sex than most people, because feminism helps to clear out some of the fucked-up attitudes about sex that get in the way of people dealing with sex in a not-totally fucked-up way. At least that’s been my experience.
Also, you might want to learn what some of that ” jargon” actually means before spouting off about it. A woman who describes herself as demisexual isn’t going to have a have a one-night-stand with you, even if you do manage to successfully hide what a total douchebag you are for a few hours.
Then again, someone who calls herself a pansexual probably isn’t going to either, but that’s because you’re a fucking tool who posts terrible crap on Return of Kings, and there’s really no way you can hide that much douchebaggery.
Um, no, what they need to realize is that the whole alpha/beta/omega thing as a model for human sexual behavior is really, really stupid.
Grrrrrr…why did I click on that article? Honestly, fidelbogen has not incited that much disgust and dirtiness after reading his articles,
Disliking women with tattoos? I…just don’t get that. At all.
I guess they don’t like Art.
They dislike women with tattoos, without tattoos, with/without anything at all. They hate women, full stop. That’s all it comes down to.
Actually I think it’s pretty simple. Tattoos = woman who might not care whether or not you like her ink. If you look at the things they dislike the common denominator is that they all demonstrate agency, and we can’t have that.
I’m pretty sure this is the opposite: this is a list of things that they believe will mark a woman as an easy target.
Maybe it’s because I haven’t been around pot smokers since college, but I thought the point of incense was to cover the pot smell.
The fact that the list is both “things that mark an easy target” and “things that mean you should despise someone” pretty much sums up the problem with the PUA approach to sex.
And she probably thinks her body exists for her own enjoyment, not for men’s. It’s terrible, I tell you!
Yup. “I want you to want to have sex with me, but I don’t want you to be the sort of person who has sex with people” is the new “I wouldn’t belong to a club that would have me as a member”.
As far as tattoos — I love them. Have two, hope to get more in the future.
My husband also has one and HATES it. It was one of those drunken high school ideas that he deeply regretted. I admit, I find it endearing, but he’s glad it’s on his back where he can’t see it.
I was being facetious before (I “get” why they dislike it, but I also find it absurd and pointless). It just seems disliking tattoos that much is irrational. It’s like Ayn Rand’s hatred of facial hair – an utterly silly thing to get offended by when, well, there’s things that matter.
Anywho…
Very cool. Whatcha got?
I am tattoo-less at the moment, but I’ve been planning on getting three particular ones for a while now. Just need to find the right (and most affordable) tattooist which, thankfully, there are plenty of in my area. So there’s a lot of options.
Plus “If you’ve had sex with people you might have a basis for comparison and find out what a pathetic oxygen thief I am in bed as well as out of it.”
Now if she’d hated blockquotes, that would have totally made sense.
Hope it’s not rude to ask, but… how does this work? I thought you guys shared bodyparts,so that any tattoo on your husbands back will also be on your back? But I guess you might think of it as “his” tattoo rather than yours if it was him and only him who decided to have it…?
Or do you have like… different astral bodies (for lack of a better word) with different tattoos on them?
I’m only going to do the ones I have coments on, because otherwise it’s too much typing.
1. Has tattoos. I want them, but I’m too scared of needles. Though my progressing sickness may cure that, seeing as how everytime I get a blood draw, it gets less nervous making. Any tatood people want to tell me how much it hurts?
2. Piercings outside of the traditional earlobe placement. same thing for tatooes
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7. Has big tits. I like how a coincidence of biology can change your personality. And by “I like”, I mean “I hate”
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9. Has extra body hair. well, I don’t shave my legs or armpits. My hair is pretty dark, so it shows up, too. XD Also, my brother has hairier legs than me, but i have hairier armpits, and we always joke about how he must be so envious of my armpit hair
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11. Shows interests in girls, has “hooked up” with girls, or claims to be “bi-sexual.” I do not claim to be bisexual, I AM bisexual
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21. Has a bad relationship with her father and/or has divorced parents. I do have divorced parents, and I did have bad relations with my dad, but things were really stressfulat the time, not to mention me having to deal with depression, and we’ve both managed to mature since then, so now we’re on good terms
@ignotussomnium
We need slut membership cards!
I think the college I’m going to counts (it’s a two year state college, not a four year, though). Can I say I’m in a party school? *prepares party hat*
That tit thing reminds me of this fucked-up American preacher who thinks God sent a Tsunami to Thailand because there were so many Swedish tourists there and he wanted to punish Sweden for being a slutty country. His main complaint about Sweden was that we have gay marriage, but he also mentioned as one of the points God was supposedly angry about that princess Madeleine has big tits.
@Dvärghundspossen
Of course, because non-Western countries are just props God created to give object lessons to White people 😎 Fuckin guy
Also, I kinda want someone to make a WTF PUAs meme out of that Roosh picture to drop on PUA/Roosh’s articles
Does he think that the princess has implants? Because otherwise surely by fundie principles God made those boobs, therefore it would be silly of him to be angry about them.
It was a long time since I saw that interview on TV, but here it is… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr4W3YLDwHs It’s Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptist Church, and he just doesn’t respond when the interviewers bring up the argument that it was God who gave princess Madeleine big tits and therefore it can hardly be a sin to have them. Instead he just skips back to his former subject, “the king looks feminine and homosexual”.
The two guys interviewing Phelps are comedians, and basically this whole interview is supposed to be pure entertainment. You’re just supposed to laugh away at Phelps. Obviously YMMV, and it may be far less funny for people who’re actually in danger of being hurt by this kind of super-duper-extreme fundie… Anyway, for the LONGEST time I was certain that Phelps was just someone posing as a fundie, that it was all satire on his part, and I thought that others were silly for not getting the joke. It really took me the LONGEST time to realize that he’s for real.
Westboro Baptist is hard to get a handle on because honestly there does seem to be a certain level of doing it all for the money involved. Basically they provoke people into saying or doing something in response to their obnoxious behavior, and then sue those people, and it does seem like there’s enough of a pattern there to make you wonder whether everyone involved is a true believer or if most of them are just grifters of a very specialized kind. I think Fred does believe the shit he says, though.
@Fade (hi, nice to see you posting again!) – YMMV but for me, tattoos didn’t hurt like getting an injection can. It’s not like an intramuscular (ouch!) or getting blood drawn (don’t know if you’ve had that done much yet, but I’ve had a couple recently and they didn’t hurt).
Thing with tattooing, the outlines are the deepest, and that’s not really deep anyway. The colouring is shallower. For me (one on the arm, one on the breast) it wasn’t like a real piercing feeling, more like a cross between and itch and a hot feeling; it’s irritating, yes, but not painful as such, especially for a smaller one that doesn’t take long to do. It can get a bit hard to take if it goes on a while. My second tatt took about an hour and yes, it was good to have a break in the middle.
From what I’ve heard, the pain level’s going to vary with where you get it done and your tolerance, but even then it varies: you’d think an ankle tatt would really hurt, right over the bone, but a friend of mine said hers didn’t.
I think I remember reading something by Nate Phelps that said that it is definitely a money-making scheme, and has always been a money-making scheme, and ol’ Fred had tons of unsuccessful money-making schemes before hitting on this one that apparently works. Not sure where or when I read it, though, so grain of salt with everything.
RE: saintnick86
A turtledove and a phoenix, one on each shoulder, circumscribed by a circle. I got them in honor of my wedding; it’s a reference to Shakespeare’s ‘The Phoenix and the Turtle,’ which is a poem in homage to ideal love. At some point in the future, I’d like to get a Golem of Prague-inspired work over my top surgery scars.
Also, I’m a destitute cheapskate, but I highly advise forking it up for the best around. It’s gonna be on you for life; the cost is worth it.
RE: Dvardhundspossen
Hubby had a life before he ended up here; his tattoo is on his internal self-image, not on our vessel. My tattoos ARE on the vessel, but just because the vessel has a trait doesn’t mean it’ll carry over to other folks’ self-images. So I have tattoos, Sneak doesn’t, Mac has red hair, and I don’t. Hope that helps!
RE: Fade
Any tatood people want to tell me how much it hurts?
I have a phobia with needles, but huzzah! It turns out my subconscious totally makes an exception for tattoo needles. Go figure. As for pain, it depends on who you are and where you get it, but I found it tolerable, far more fearsome in my imagination than it was. The itching afterward was way more torturous!
1. Has tattoos.
Yes. One above the ankle of a dragon and a ying yang.
2. Piercings outside of the traditional earlobe placement.
Nope. Too lazy.
3. Has “slut face.”
Never checked.
4. Cusses a lot.
Fucking right, goddam fucker.
5. Not ticklish.
Not really.
6. Broaches the topic of illegal drugs (even marijuana) without prompting. The more illegal, the sluttier.
Will talk about drugs, doesn’t actually do them.
7. Has big tits.
Big enough.
8. Shows excessive skin for weather conditions.
Not really.
9. Has extra body hair.
No.
10. Associates with confirmed sluts.
Probably. I don’t check people’s slut cards.
11. Shows interests in girls, has “hooked up” with girls, or claims to be “bi-sexual.”
Bisexual, but still won’t fuck you jackass.
12. Is currently, or was at some point, in a sorority.
No.
13. Has traveled alone, or with only girls, to fuck-fest locations (e.g., Jamaica).
No.
14. Was a cheerleader in high school.
Hell no. Nothing that requires any athletic ability for me, thanks.
15. Went, or goes, to a known party college.
No.
16. Lost her virginity on the younger side (15 and down).
Haven’t lost it yet at 31.
17. Likes tequila shots or party drugs (e.g., Extasy/MDMA).
No drugs. Only tasty (usually sweet) booze
18. Is “friends” with DJs, promoters, or other small-time pseudo-celebs.
No
19. Is an artist, or a wannabe “model” who has done “photo shoots.”
No.
20. Broaches the topic of sex first.
Will talk about many things. Will do a lot less.
21. Has a bad relationship with her father and/or has divorced parents.
No bad relationship but has divorced parents. In fact, divorced parents are still friendly with one another.
22. Describes herself as a feminist or with any of its jargon (“pansexual,” “demi-sexual,” “cis-gendered”).
Is a feminist who thinks you need a fucking dictionary.
23. Has an even, nice tan that she maintains.
No, too lazy and is not partial to skin cancer.
24. Hair dyed a nontraditional color (e.g., blue).
Not currently, has been in the past (blue in fact)
25. Will wear leopard print
On occasion.
26. Single mother
To a very special beagle
27. Wants kids?
A kitty sibling for the beagle would be nice. No human offspring.
28. Likes gay people?
Yes.
29. Gets drunk?
Not often.
30. bartender or server?
Works in retail.
1. Nope
2. Not any more, took my nasal piercing out
3. I assume this means “looks confident”? If so, sure.
4. You bet your ass I do
5. Super ticklish
6. Sure. Also, if women regularly suggest getting high when you’re talking to them you may want to consider the possibility that you’re boring them.
7. Definitely. Damn those slutty genes.
8. Nope, unless a short skirt and tights in the winter counts as “skin”. I fear skin cancer.
9. Nope
10. By these definitions, yep, since most of the women in my family also have big boobs. Who knew my granny was a slut?
11. Yep, but you’re going to want to remove those scare quotes.
12. You realize that not everyone is American, right?
13. Nope
14. Again, not everyone is American.
15. And once more!
16. Nope.
17. Tequila shots – sure, if it’s good tequila, preferably anejo. No on those particular drugs.
18. Nope. Working with the big-time ones tends to lead to giving the try-hards a lot of side-eye.
19. Nope.
20. You mean in the “before you even ask, the answer is no” sense, right?
21. Nope. My Dad is made of awesome.
22. Yep
23. Nope. See earlier comment about skin cancer, plus I’m lazy.
24. Not for a while, but it used to be purple.
25. Oh hell no.
26. Nope
27. Nope
28. Yep
29. Sometimes. Depends on the quality of booze on offer and whether or not I have to work the next day.
30. Nope, never done either one.