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Fidelbogen: Men’s Rights Activists! Forget about DV shelters for men. Focus on the important issue: yelling at feminists

Men's Rights Edmonton doing important human rights work by protesting Slut Walk
Men’s Rights Edmonton doing important human rights work by protesting Slut Walk

Our old nemesis Fidelbogen — the Would-Be Counter-Feminist Philosopher King — has taken on a dire, if altogether hypothetical, threat to the men’s rights movement as we know it today: the danger that actual activism that benefits men in the real world will get in the way of the feminist bashing that he thinks is job #1 for all good MRAs.

As he argues in a recent post:

Doing good things for men – opening DV shelters, men’s centers, passing male-friendly laws, and so on – is all very excellent and fine, but it does not attack the root of the problem.

This is kind of a remarkable statement for him to make, given that the Men’s Rights movement that Fidelbogen has attached himself to — or at least its very vocal online contingent — has so far succeeded in opening precisely zero DV shelters and/or men’s centers and has successfully lobbied for zero “male-friendly” laws.

Indeed, it’s only in recent months that any MRAs active online have managed to raise even a miniscule percentage of the money it will take to open much less operate a single shelter for men.

But apparently Fidey is worried that even these paltry efforts from MRAs will get in the way of the noble task of yelling about feminists. As he puts it, in LARGE BOLD TYPE so you know he’s extra serious:

 

 Anybody who claims to care about men, but doesn't savage feminism pretty harshly on a regular basis, is either a damned liar or a lazy, muddled fool with his head up his ass. There is simply no way you can care about men if you are not attacking feminism in one way or another.   And if I had to make the choice, I would even say that agitation is MORE important than activism. Yes, I would rather have a thousand people loudly slagging off feminism in my town, than to have one men's DV shelter open while nobody makes a squeak about feminism! And you can quote me on that.

 

Fidey, I don’t think you need to worry for a minute that MRAs are going to actually accomplish anything in the real world. And you can quote me on that,

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Katz — yes.

Pecunium — avocado is disgusting. Right up there with mayo. And all non-fish sushi seems to include avocado >.<

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

ZOMG CILANTRO! *eyes roll up in head, twitchy hungry fingers, drooling* WAAAAANT. (Though hubby yoinked a tin of hot harissa the other day from a free box, and that is rapidly growing on me.)

Yeah, YoullNeverGuess isn’t impressing me either. But that’s because I’m from Texas and heard LOTS of people claiming ‘fag’ wasn’t a gay slur. It was just a synonym for ‘weak’ or ‘bad,’ guys, nothing to do with homosexuals!

pecunium
11 years ago

Argenti: You can get them to leave it out. I do that, All The Time!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I think avocado in sushi is a culinary abomination. I’m not that purist about most foods, but sushi? Best in its simplest form, imo. Why mess with tradition when it’s already perfect?

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Oh, great, language wank for dinner AGAIN. Youllneverguess (I have my suspicions): no one cares how irritated you are, trust.

katz: I’m totally leaning towards a sock Out For Revenge. IN A WORLD…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Also, if you want veggie sushi tamago should be a safe, avocado-free bet.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Why do people go into quest for revenge mode so easily if they fail to get a positive reception here? It’s pretty lulzy.

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
11 years ago

I typed out a long response, but when I saw the last few responses, I had to laugh. I’m a middle-aged female feminist who loves this blog and thought you guys were funny and smart. But apparently your love of outing trolls gets the better of you sometimes.

@pecunium — I didn’t anticipate so many responses getting generated between your post and mine, so it did appear to be directed at me.

This blog is about incredibly blatant misogyny, and I obviously vastly underestimated the distrust and sensitivity of the regulars here.

Don’t worry, I’ll stick the flounce. What a bunch of viragos!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Never tried tamago, but it does look good.

Pecunium — so do I when I can get it made on the spot. And imitation crab is apparently completely meat free, which I cannot wrap my head around but that was the CL sushi chef and he had no problem catering to my sushi desires so I see no reason for him to have lied.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

The eyeballs, you guys, I think they might be lost forever.

kittehserf
11 years ago

IRL, if someone at my office said, “this client won’t stop bitching and moaning,” that wouldn’t convey any information about the client’s gender.

Way to miss the point. “Bitching” isn’t indicating the client’s gender; it’s using a gendered slur about the behaviour. It’s categorising complaining/moaning/nastiness as specifically female and specifically bad.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Virago, really?

1: a loud overbearing woman : termagant
2: a woman of great stature, strength, and courage

Guessing you didn’t mean #2

katz
11 years ago

This blog is about incredibly blatant misogyny, and I obviously vastly underestimated the distrust and sensitivity of the regulars here.

Jeez, we ought to be totally okay with highly subtle misogyny. What’s our problem?

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

Argenti beat me to the ‘virago’ remark. I think that word is AWESOME.

I’m pretty much positive she’s not MRAL though. In fact, I’m pretty sure they are more-or-less what she says she is… though what the hell her deal is with language, I don’t know.

kittehserf
11 years ago

LBT, Pecunium, congrats, you are now viragos!

::hands out virago medals::

You’llNeverGuess: seriously, grow up. You didn’t have to bring up this complaint about language again. We all get reminded not to use certain slurs; what’s so hard about saying “Sorry, my bad,” and moving on? But if you act trollish, then yeah, you’ll get people suspicious. You’ve seen enough of what goes on with trolls here to understand that, surely.

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
11 years ago

Okay, one last comment, and then I am fully flounced: I’ve donated to this blog before because it seemed like such a great bunch of people. When you guys immediately get so hostile, you’re potentially driving away sympathetic subscribers. You might want to think about that. I’ve seen a lot of trolls here, so I get some of the suspicion, and you guys and David obviously enjoy each other, but maybe ease up on the blood lust a little.

Also, I posted that different words have different degrees of offense — I would never use “fag”, “gay”, “mangina” — and pretend it’s not a slur, I just suggested that perhaps some words had drifted enough not to matter, at least in some areas of the country. I also said repeatedly I would respect this community’s standards. But you guys don’t seem to have a narrative between “never questions a post written by a regular, ever, ever, ever, EVER” and “troll.”

Why did I pick “youllneverguess”? I have a weird name, and you would never have guessed it. Not that sinister.

katz
11 years ago

I haven’t computed your initial score, but I’m increasing the standard -2 deduction for not sticking the flounce to -3 for failing to stick after specifically saying you were going to.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Pecunium, LBT! You’re women!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

I was thinking 4/10, which would then be 1/10 currently.

katz
11 years ago

Sounds about right.

Ally S
11 years ago

Also, I posted that different words have different degrees of offense — I would never use “fag”, “gay”, “mangina” — and pretend it’s not a slur, I just suggested that perhaps some words had drifted enough not to matter, at least in some areas of the country.

Perhaps, but “bitch” isn’t one of them, I’m afraid. Its usage is pretty much always misogynistic unless it’s being used in a reappropriative manner.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Like I said already, You’llNeverGuess – you start acting trollish, you’ll get treated trollish. Also, you haven’t seen how regulars here have been told to pull their heads in when being assholish; I can think of two lengthy threads like that within the last few months, one involving racism and one people’s identities. Regulars do NOT get a free pass.

Also, “scaring away sympathetic subscribers”? FFS, that’s the same bullshit line men throw at women – “I’d totes be an ally of feminism if you weren’t so meeeeaaannnnn!”

And what’s your fondness for gendered slurs anyway? First bitching and hysterical, now viragos. If that was an attempt at wit or button-pushing, well, it didn’t work. Eyebrow raising and laughage-garnering, yes, but not button-pushing.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Buh-bye from all us viragos.

The language wank never gets old, and the reactions are so telling.

kittehserf
11 years ago

It occurs to me that we should be called furagos, here.

kittehserf
11 years ago

This cat isn’t a virago but zie is SO PRETTY I had to post this link:

http://mywarriorscatsclans.webs.com/cat-tortoiseshell-white.jpg