For a certain subset of horrible men, there are few things more infuriating than the fact that women they find undesirable can turn down men for sex. For this upsets their primitive sense of justice: such women should be so grateful for any male attention, these men think, that turning down even the most boorish of men shouldn’t even be an option for them.
Consider the reactions of some of the regulars on date-rapey pickup guru Roosh V’s forum to the story of Josh and Mary on the dating site Plenty of Fish. One fine December evening, you see, Josh decided to try a little “direct game” on Mary.
That’s what the fellas on Roosh’s forum call it, anyway. The rest of us would call it sexual harassment.
Josh started off by asking Mary if she “wanted to be fuck buddies.” She said “nope,” and the conversation went downhill from there, with Josh sending a series of increasingly explicit comments to Mary, despite getting nothing but negative replies from her.
After eight messages from Josh, with the last one suggesting he would pay her $50 to “come over right now and swallow my load,” Mary turned the tables, noting that she’d been able to deduce his real identity from his PoF profile, and asking him if he wanted her to send screenshots of the chat to his mother and grandmother. He begged her not to.
As you may have already figured out, from the fact that we’re talking about this story in public, Mary did indeed pass along the screenshots, and posted them online.
Poetic justice? Not to the fellas on Roosh’s forum. Because, you see, Mary is … a fat chick.
While dismissing Josh as a “chode” with “atrocious game,” Scorpion saved most of his anger for the harassed woman:
Look how much she relishes not only shooting him down, but damaging his reputation with his own family. She’s positively intoxicated with her power. Simply spitting bad direct game is enough to unleash her vindictive fury.
“Bad direct game.” I’m pretty sure even Clarence Thomas would consider what Josh did sexual harassment.
At any point, she could have pressed a single button and blocked the man from communicating with her, but she didn’t. She didn’t because she enjoys the feeling of power she gets from receiving attention from guys like this and then brutally shooting them down. It makes her feel much hotter and more desirable than she actually is in real life. She’s not there to meet men; she’s there to virtually castrate them for her own amusement.
I’m guessing here, but I’m pretty sure that nowhere in Mary’s profile did she encourage the men of PoF to send her explicit sexual propositions out of the blue. And I’m pretty sure she didn’t hold a gun to Josh’s head and force him to send a half-dozen sexually explicit harassing messages to a woman he didn’t know.
Athlone McGinnis also relies heavily on euphemism when describing Josh’s appalling behavior:
I don’t think its primarily the revenge she’s after, its the validation. She is enjoying the power she has over this guy and wielding it brutally because it shows she can maintain standards despite her weight and the doubtless numerous confidence issues that stem from it. In blowing up this guy for being too direct in his evaluation of her sexuality, she affirms the value of her own sexuality.
Oh, so he was just being “direct in his evaluation of her sexuality.”
In short: “I am wanted, but I have standards and can choose. I have so much agency despite my weight that I can go as far as to punish those who approach me in a way I do not like rather than simply blocking them. I’m teaching them a lesson, because I’m valuable enough to provide such lessons.
So apparently in Mr. McGinnis’ world women who are fat aren’t supposed to have agency? They’re not supposed to be able to choose? They’re supposed to drop their panties to any guy who offers to be their fuck buddy or tells them to “suck my dick?”
Also, I’m a victim bravely standing up against online bullying/harassment-look at me!”
Yeah, actually, she is. Get used to it, guys, because you’re going to see a lot more of this in the future.
This isn’t just a laughing matter for her. She needs to be able to do this in order to feel worthwhile. She has to be able to show that even she is able to maintain standards and doesn’t have to settle for just any old guy asking for any old sexual favor simply because she resembles a beached manatee.
And it’s not a laughing matter for you either, is it? You’re actually angry that a woman said no to a sexual harasser — because you don’t find her attractive. And because Josh — from his picture, a conventionally attractive, non-fat fellow — did.
Mr. McGinnis, may a fat person sit on your dreams, and crush them.
I am, aren’t I? But it was necessary for me to spread my prophetic message here, to shine a light on the conspiracy between feminism and PUA activism against the real MRA. Many of the major political assassinations have been carried out by this conspiracy, including the singer Selena (killed by feminist bully activist Yoland Saldivar).
YouTube Anita Bryant Sister Sarah. That’s how a woman fights back. YouTube David Allan Coe Anita Bryant. David Allan Coe wasn’t always the nicest person but he can sing better than David Futrell. YouTube Shel Silverstein Put Another Log on the Fire; MRA anthem. See the connections?
Is there actually someone with the patience to wade through Uriah’s wall of text and see whether it says anything worthwhile?
Nope. But perhaps, like Asher, Uriah can inspire some artistry.
Ha,
I actually thought Uriah was a parody.
And don’t mention Shel Silverstein, cuz you ain’t welcome in our house.
@uriah the dancing kitty
ooookkkaaaayyy? And how does the fact that women, POC, and LGBT people sometimes do shitty things change anything?
No, because feminism isn’t about women being perfect. FFS. It’s just about them being people.
@karalora
Ugh 🙁 ::offers jedi hugs:: That’s a terrible thing to tell someone.
@uriah
“prophetic message” hahahahhahahaha. hahahahhahaha. thanks, I needed that laugh 😉
How’s the christian neodadism going, pptt?
Wait, is Uriah actually being sarcastic? I… I can’t tell.
I’m just gonna go with parody. The alternative is too much to bear…
Uh, guys? I am 99% certain Uriah is a parody.
If not, then what they are writing is truly hilarious.
@tinyorc “Seriously. All the harassment she had to deal with up to that point was unfortunate, but no big deal. But blocking him? Wow, no need to be such a bitch!”
That is the point at which I would have started blocking everybody who thought I was being “way harsh”, because obviously THOSE people don’t need to be in my facebook zone, either.
@kirbywarp
I assumed not, because of what he said on the other thread he was on, but I’m not the best judge of parody :/
Always assuming NOT, is best, but come on… no one is that insane AND coherent t the same time. I speak from experience.
@michael sondberg oslen
Insane? O_o Insane=/= wrong. Insane =/= asshole.
Uriah the Heap sounds like our old friend ProPatriaChristianity, AKA MRAL. The stench of sock is making my eyes water.
Kid, stop being pathetic.
MSO: WTF, dude?
SERIOUSLY?
@ Uriah:
If we’re at the point at which only false equivalence can save us, there’s no longer anything to save. There’s no longer anyone to save. If we are at that point, the show is over — stick a fork in all of us, we’re done. You’re talking about a world destitute of value, a world in which bullshit has won. You may be right, and I sure can’t prove you’re wrong, but at the same time I sure as stink-all have to hope you are wrong, because that’s the one rubric under which I retain the right to hope at all.
Some of the “constructs” I ran into while growing up were “authoritarian”, all right — but I was not the author of them. I decided quite some time ago that though such things had the power to levy a tax on my attention, they would never have a claim to my respect.
I know, marie. I use those words, still, in their colloquial sense, because it get’s certain points across quicker. I am, myself, insane, and know that insane doesn’t make anyone wrong or an asshole. Though I’m an asshole. And often wrong.
That’s nice, Michael. How about you not use those words here? There are other ways to get your point across quickly.
Uriah sounds exactly like Mr Al’s fauxreligious socks. I’ve emailed the Dark Lord.
I see the conversation on bullying and add in my two cents.
I fucking hate that!
How many other people you (probably girls) got bullied by someone else (probably a boy) and heard people/ your parents pass it off as “He just likes you”.
Fing eff!
//that was not me censoring myself; living around with little kids has just made “eff” my go to curse for some reason.
This actually happened 2 years in a row, each time after I rejected a guy who asked me out (literally a ll I did was say “No” with no padding), and each time my parents reacted the same and each time they converted into a bully for the rest of the year.
@diz
Um, if she was harrassing him and he karma’d her ass, I really wouldn’t care about how embarrassed she was.. If you don’t want people to embarrass you, don’t harrass
strangers.well people in general.@thekidwiththereplaceablehead
My sympathies. I have a similar reaction in stressful situations, though not because of bullying but more of because of fucked up home situations in which my family got into HUGE fights all the time. Now whenever there’s some conflict it seems like my go to reaction when it doesn’t get solved soon enough is to freak out and cry.
@michael sondberg olsen
It doesn’t change that there are a lot of people here who don’t like you using those words like that. :/ This is a conversation that happens here a lot. It’s all fine that using insane that way doesn’t bother you, but there are a lot of people here who it does bother. Please respect them.
Guys, while the insane = asshole thing definitely needed pointed out, Michael’s noted before that’s he’s mentally ill, don’t jump on him too hard please?
As for our potential Poe…what the fuck is that shit? No, all views are not equally valid and no saying that is not authoritarian. Arsenic is poisonous v arsenic would taste good in coffee (2 pts to anyone who remembers the source of arsenic coffee)
@fade
Ugh, didn’t know they told you that 🙁 ::offers hugs::
hellkell, you’re right. But this has been a ride on a learning curve for me. Dealing both with my own illness and how the language around it affects others.