For a certain subset of horrible men, there are few things more infuriating than the fact that women they find undesirable can turn down men for sex. For this upsets their primitive sense of justice: such women should be so grateful for any male attention, these men think, that turning down even the most boorish of men shouldn’t even be an option for them.
Consider the reactions of some of the regulars on date-rapey pickup guru Roosh V’s forum to the story of Josh and Mary on the dating site Plenty of Fish. One fine December evening, you see, Josh decided to try a little “direct game” on Mary.
That’s what the fellas on Roosh’s forum call it, anyway. The rest of us would call it sexual harassment.
Josh started off by asking Mary if she “wanted to be fuck buddies.” She said “nope,” and the conversation went downhill from there, with Josh sending a series of increasingly explicit comments to Mary, despite getting nothing but negative replies from her.
After eight messages from Josh, with the last one suggesting he would pay her $50 to “come over right now and swallow my load,” Mary turned the tables, noting that she’d been able to deduce his real identity from his PoF profile, and asking him if he wanted her to send screenshots of the chat to his mother and grandmother. He begged her not to.
As you may have already figured out, from the fact that we’re talking about this story in public, Mary did indeed pass along the screenshots, and posted them online.
Poetic justice? Not to the fellas on Roosh’s forum. Because, you see, Mary is … a fat chick.
While dismissing Josh as a “chode” with “atrocious game,” Scorpion saved most of his anger for the harassed woman:
Look how much she relishes not only shooting him down, but damaging his reputation with his own family. She’s positively intoxicated with her power. Simply spitting bad direct game is enough to unleash her vindictive fury.
“Bad direct game.” I’m pretty sure even Clarence Thomas would consider what Josh did sexual harassment.
At any point, she could have pressed a single button and blocked the man from communicating with her, but she didn’t. She didn’t because she enjoys the feeling of power she gets from receiving attention from guys like this and then brutally shooting them down. It makes her feel much hotter and more desirable than she actually is in real life. She’s not there to meet men; she’s there to virtually castrate them for her own amusement.
I’m guessing here, but I’m pretty sure that nowhere in Mary’s profile did she encourage the men of PoF to send her explicit sexual propositions out of the blue. And I’m pretty sure she didn’t hold a gun to Josh’s head and force him to send a half-dozen sexually explicit harassing messages to a woman he didn’t know.
Athlone McGinnis also relies heavily on euphemism when describing Josh’s appalling behavior:
I don’t think its primarily the revenge she’s after, its the validation. She is enjoying the power she has over this guy and wielding it brutally because it shows she can maintain standards despite her weight and the doubtless numerous confidence issues that stem from it. In blowing up this guy for being too direct in his evaluation of her sexuality, she affirms the value of her own sexuality.
Oh, so he was just being “direct in his evaluation of her sexuality.”
In short: “I am wanted, but I have standards and can choose. I have so much agency despite my weight that I can go as far as to punish those who approach me in a way I do not like rather than simply blocking them. I’m teaching them a lesson, because I’m valuable enough to provide such lessons.
So apparently in Mr. McGinnis’ world women who are fat aren’t supposed to have agency? They’re not supposed to be able to choose? They’re supposed to drop their panties to any guy who offers to be their fuck buddy or tells them to “suck my dick?”
Also, I’m a victim bravely standing up against online bullying/harassment-look at me!”
Yeah, actually, she is. Get used to it, guys, because you’re going to see a lot more of this in the future.
This isn’t just a laughing matter for her. She needs to be able to do this in order to feel worthwhile. She has to be able to show that even she is able to maintain standards and doesn’t have to settle for just any old guy asking for any old sexual favor simply because she resembles a beached manatee.
And it’s not a laughing matter for you either, is it? You’re actually angry that a woman said no to a sexual harasser — because you don’t find her attractive. And because Josh — from his picture, a conventionally attractive, non-fat fellow — did.
Mr. McGinnis, may a fat person sit on your dreams, and crush them.
I don’t think there’s anything after we die – I really do think it’s the end. Still don’t think that living your life in pants-wetting terror over the prospect of it eventually happening is either wise or useful.
Exactly, Cassandra – whether there is or not, there’s nothing we can do about it, and dreaming up a techy version of the devil (or a really douchebag god) seems a trifle counterintuitive.
Does this Yudkowsky bloke come from a conservative background? It’s like he’s absorbed the worst of Abrahamic beliefs and hasn’t been able to shake them, despite his atheism. Not that he’d be unusual in that, but he seems to have a really fucked up way of approaching it, if so. I’d almost feel sorry for him if he wasn’t screwing with other people’s heads (and wallets, for that matter) as well.
The whole vengeful AI thing does seem oddly religious, as does the idea that an AI could potentially save us all. They seem like a sort of cargo cult, basically.
Although some part of me is still cynical enough to think it all might just be a straight-up cash grab. He wouldn’t be the first person to invent a quasi-religion as a way to con people out of money.
I’d think so too, if not for Pecunium’s description of what he’s like in person; mentioning death seems to throw him into a tizz.
I dunno, if he wants to worship evil, there’s always Basement Cat. At least he’s cuddly on a good day.
If I’m going to worship something evil I’m going to need it to at least be sexy-evil. The attraction to a dark side that tempts you with sex, drugs, and assorted debauchery I can see, but the attraction to what’s basically a less-fun version of the robot revolution in Terminator mystifies me.
Is it just me or does Yudkowsky remind anyone else of Lord Voldermort with his fear of death, the basilisk and his cult members (Death Eaters)?
Cassandra – and Basement Cat fills all (well, some) of those requirements! 😀
The Terminator always reminds me of the Robotman episodes where the Tabbinator was sent back to neuter Fleshy. A robot cat with sunnies, a leather jacket and an Austrian accent – priceless.
Sithrak seems about their speed…
http://oglaf.com/sithrak/
Yudkowsky is one of those people who I think of as professionally joyless. They’ve somehow managed to make being a miserable, negative, anti-fun asshole into a way to make a living.
Sithrak will torture everyone EQUALLY, so nope, too kind still.
No luck finding if he was raised religious, but I did find —
“When you are older, you will learn that the first and foremost thing which any ordinary person does is nothing.”
― Eliezer Yudkowsky
So most people do nothing, and you are older by 34 (he’s 6 years older than me).
As a total guess, Yukowsky is very likely a Jewish name, so I’d imagine he has some personal familiarity with Judaism and thus Abrahamic religions.
I keep wanting to read his name as “Ebeneezer” as in “Scrooge”. It’s the similarity in personality that does it.
katz – perfect! 😀
Though I can’t imagine Yudkowsky grining like those two characters.
Cassandra – “professionally joyless”, I am so stealing that. Makes me think of a moment in New Tricks:
Nurse: You know, Mr Halford, it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 16 to smile!
Halford: I like exercise.
Argenti – I wonder what Y’s definition of “nothing” is? Living, breathing, talking, working, having interests, raising children/animals, all the squillions of things humans do, are “nothing”?
Yup, he’s a loser on a massive scale, Dunning-Kruger and all. It sounds like yet another nincompoop with a massive case of projection, talking as if his empty life, or his inability to enjoy life, is the pattern for everyone else.
What a tedious jackass.
I thought Yudkowsky sounded Jewish, which is why I went for Abrahamic rather than Christian. He sounds like he’s got the worst of fundyism floating in his head, but that doesn’t really fit with even the most reactionary of Jewish sects, does it? If I’m understanding aright, Judaism doesn’t really focus on the afterlife much anyway. (Apologies if I’ve got that one wrong, everyone!)
“I keep wanting to read his name as “Ebeneezer” as in “Scrooge”. It’s the similarity in personality that does it.”
http://i.imgur.com/VvpMK9N.jpg
I love you THIS MUCH.
Backatcha! 😀
Yeah, well I love you THIS much:
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http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/55/c5/f3/55c5f3557115fd8096baca19de8e0dac.jpg
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I concede your image-searching superiority.
Said it before and I’ll say it again: neuroticbeagle is queen of cute pic searching. 🙂
🙂
(Waits for troll to come in and complain how negative and bitter we all are, and do it in this thread for bonus irony.)
To be fair, the beagle is being slightly negative cause I had the audacity to eat ALL of my breakfast without sharing. (Never mind she just finished hers two seconds ago.)
The cat is sulking because she can’t catch a moth that’s hiding in my ceiling fan. This seems to be my fault, somehow, since she keeps drawing it to my attention.
Those aren’t examples of bitterness or sulking, they’re RIGHTEOUS ANGER. Anything expressed by the Furrinati is.
I’m not the best person to judge this, but evangelical/fundamentalist Christianity has a lot of cultural saturation in the US, so mightn’t a Jew who was raised pretty secular have just absorbed those ideas like “if you’re bad, you’ll burn in hell” that way?