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Roosh V forum members baffled that fat woman doesn’t welcome sexual harassment

Online dating: It doesn't always work like this.
Online dating: It doesn’t always work like this.

For a certain subset of horrible men, there are few things more infuriating than the fact that women they find undesirable can turn down men for sex. For this upsets their primitive sense of justice: such women should be so grateful for any male attention, these men think, that turning down even the most boorish of men shouldn’t even be an option for them.

Consider the reactions of some of the regulars on date-rapey pickup guru Roosh V’s forum to the story of Josh and Mary on the dating site Plenty of Fish. One fine December evening, you see, Josh decided to try a little “direct game” on Mary.

That’s what the fellas on Roosh’s forum call it, anyway. The rest of us would call it sexual harassment.

Josh started off by asking Mary if she “wanted to be fuck buddies.” She said “nope,” and the conversation went downhill from there, with Josh sending a series of increasingly explicit comments to Mary, despite getting nothing but negative replies from her.

After eight messages from Josh, with the last one suggesting he would pay her $50 to “come over right now and swallow my load,” Mary turned the tables, noting that she’d been able to deduce his real identity from his PoF profile, and asking him if he wanted her to send screenshots of the chat to his mother and grandmother. He begged her not to.

As you may have already figured out, from the fact that we’re talking about this story in public, Mary did indeed pass along the screenshots, and posted them online.

Poetic justice? Not to the fellas on Roosh’s forum. Because, you see, Mary is … a fat chick.

While dismissing Josh as a “chode” with “atrocious game,” Scorpion saved most of his anger for the harassed woman:

Look how much she relishes not only shooting him down, but damaging his reputation with his own family. She’s positively intoxicated with her power. Simply spitting bad direct game is enough to unleash her vindictive fury.

“Bad direct game.” I’m pretty sure even Clarence Thomas would consider what Josh did sexual harassment.

At any point, she could have pressed a single button and blocked the man from communicating with her, but she didn’t. She didn’t because she enjoys the feeling of power she gets from receiving attention from guys like this and then brutally shooting them down. It makes her feel much hotter and more desirable than she actually is in real life. She’s not there to meet men; she’s there to virtually castrate them for her own amusement.

I’m guessing here, but I’m pretty sure that nowhere in Mary’s profile did she encourage the men of PoF to send her explicit sexual propositions out of the blue. And I’m pretty sure she didn’t hold a gun to Josh’s head and force him to send a half-dozen sexually explicit harassing messages to a woman he didn’t know.

Athlone McGinnis also relies heavily on euphemism when describing Josh’s appalling behavior:

I don’t think its primarily the revenge she’s after, its the validation. She is enjoying the power she has over this guy and wielding it brutally because it shows she can maintain standards despite her weight and the doubtless numerous confidence issues that stem from it. In blowing up this guy for being too direct in his evaluation of her sexuality, she affirms the value of her own sexuality.

Oh, so he was just being “direct in his evaluation of her sexuality.”

In short: “I am wanted, but I have standards and can choose. I have so much agency despite my weight that I can go as far as to punish those who approach me in a way I do not like rather than simply blocking them. I’m teaching them a lesson, because I’m valuable enough to provide such lessons.

So apparently in Mr. McGinnis’ world women who are fat aren’t supposed to have agency? They’re not supposed to be able to choose? They’re supposed to drop their panties to any guy who offers to be their fuck buddy or tells them to “suck my dick?”

Also, I’m a victim bravely standing up against online bullying/harassment-look at me!”

Yeah, actually, she is. Get used to it, guys, because you’re going to see a lot more of this in the future.

This isn’t just a laughing matter for her. She needs to be able to do this in order to feel worthwhile. She has to be able to show that even she is able to maintain standards and doesn’t have to settle for just any old guy asking for any old sexual favor simply because she resembles a beached manatee.

And it’s not a laughing matter for you either, is it? You’re actually angry that a woman said no to a sexual harasser — because you don’t find her attractive.  And because Josh — from his picture, a conventionally attractive, non-fat fellow — did.

Mr. McGinnis, may a fat person sit on your dreams, and crush them.

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kittehserf
11 years ago

LOL no, not That Discussion! Though I think this mind-boggling stupidity of Not Even Wrong or Fractally Wrong is fairly safe.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Dear fuck…. oWoD…. takes me back. Argenti, don’t make me awaken my dormant geek!

kittehserf
11 years ago

::shakes head in bafflement at references I’ve never heard of::

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Micheal — VtM:B, I have it running on my mac 🙂

*florished bow* did someone call for a manic depressive lunatic? *totally a Malk*

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Kittehserf, you will be timecubed by Argentis’ evil vicissitude!

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Bloodlines…. If ever a game got great by being taken over by obsessive fans, this is it.

kittehserf
11 years ago

“Kittehserf, you will be timecubed by Argentis’ evil vicissitude!”

The man’s a poet! 😀

Could I have cheese cubes instead of time cubes, tho’? They taste better.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

You say evil vicissitude like there’s any other kind!

And hell yes on Bloodlines. I’m playing Wesp’s patch 7.7? And damn, I hope he does game design for a living because he deserves to get paid for this!

I saved both of them this time! My favoritest Malks are both still running Asylum! …and I’m a blasted Tremere because I want the Tremere ending…I miss obfuscate.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

You can be as cheezy as you’re able to!

Michael Søndberg Olsen

I will always be the Malkavian Cheerleader. Talking to traffic lights, arguing with the voices coming from the TV. Ah, it’s like a slightly stronger dose of my usual mindscape, anyways.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

This is my third run through (well, fourth, but windows blew up and ate my Gangrel) — Malk cheerleader, male Nossie, and now a male Tremere. Anarch, lone wolf and Tremere endings. Going to have to side with Ming Xiao at some point, particularly since killing her is so fucking hard. She’s worse than the sheriff (and LaCroix! He’s a riot at endgame)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

It’s a stop sign though, not a traffic light. Not that anyone seems to notice you talking to it or anything.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Been a while since I played, but isn’t the Sheriff pretty easy? Gahhh…. now I have to play it again… wait, why would I complain about that. So… THANKS!

Michael Søndberg Olsen

I love that they made just about ALL the dialogue different for Malks.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Compared to Ming, yeah he is. In general, eh, sorta? Compared to Ming though an elder god might be easy!

The Malk dialog…that, and then Nossie? Playing as a character who can hold a normal conversation is weird.

And you’re welcome 🙂

Michael Søndberg Olsen

I think I’ll say goodnight now. And fall to sleep hearing the music from the Giovanni mansion in my head.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

I’ll be there shortly! Creepy place!

Prefer the music in the Last Round though myself 🙂

G’night

pecunium
11 years ago

Roko’s Basilisk: It being willing to torture you (for all eternity, because it’s powerful enough to reconstruct you, with all your memories, etc.) is how it modifies the past.

See, if you know/believe there will be a singularity, and don’t work to bring it about, you are condemning millions of people to death. So, since you knew this, and didn’t do your utmoset to bring it about, you are guilty of millions of murders.

But, since you know that to not work to bring about the singularity will bring about this torment you will therefore give every spare penny to research on the singularity; ergo the AI will not have to torture you.

Of course, any AI able to recreate one person, that completely could recreate everyone that completely, which means no (ever in the history of ever) will have to “die” and so the point is moot.

But that would be using logic. That this sort of handwavium is able to cause irreduceable horror to the Rationalists of Less Wrong is why they have zero credibility with me, since the problem has it’s own solution.

The thing to realise is all of this (every last one of the millions of words in the sequences) is because Yudkowsky is terrified of dying. Anyone who has eyes to see can tell; if they meet him in person. Put him under some sort of stress, esp. where personal risk; or general mortality is being discussed and he starts to fondle his talisman; cryogenic alert pendant.

It’s sort of creepy.

It’s not his basilisk, it’s one of his followers who dreamt up this sadist piece of work.

But’s Yudkowsky, Super-Genius, who can’t see how the frame of the problem is it’s own solution; and who, by shutting down debate (because he’s not intellectually equipped to see the logical flaw in the problem, as posited) created the present level of existential dread on the part of those who decided to investigate it (because it’s apparently a huge subject of circumlocutionary discussion among a largish segment of Less Wrong).

LBT: Seriously, I don’t even get it. This isn’t even reality-destroying. This is HYPOTHETICAL reality-destroying. Are there really folks so wound-up that THAT will really freak them out?

The problem is they believe several incredible things.

1: A Singularity will happen.
2: Absent the AI being shaped, ab initio in a manner shaped by Yudkowsky the odds of it being, “unfriendly” are very high.
3: The AI will be more powerful than we can imagine.
4: It will be vengeful (for any time it lost to be created late).

From those premises, comes all the rest of Teh STOOPID! It Will Happen. We must shape it or (at the very least) be left out (in which case we die, and miss out on living forever).

The Basilisk posits a scenario where it’s possible that one might end up with a fate worse than death; and these people happen to think death is the absolute worst thing they can imagine. The idea of something worse than that makes them quiver in terror.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

So basically this Yudkowsky guy is exactly the kind of con man that Tom Martin would be if he was smarter and more effective at manipulating people.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

(Yes, I am your resident cynic. Nice to meet you.)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

“The thing to realise is all of this (every last one of the millions of words in the sequences) is because Yudkowsky is terrified of dying. Anyone who has eyes to see can tell; if they meet him in person. Put him under some sort of stress, esp. where personal risk; or general mortality is being discussed and he starts to fondle his talisman; cryogenic alert pendant.

It’s sort of creepy.”

That’s obvious without meeting him. Though the pendant sounds maybe creepy? I’m a bad judge, idk if I was nervous enough there to be doing it, but I play with my rings when on edge. Of course, I don’t think them more than jewelry so idk.

Also, did you break into the semi-colon farm or something? You’ve got semi-colons on the loose!

kittehserf
11 years ago

I’d also like to ask why the Basilisk would give a fuck. I mean, really? Wouldn’t it have better things to do (like almost anything)?

Sorting out Yudowsky’s scrambled thinking would be a project in itself, I’d have thought.

So, Y’s just another jerk terrified of death … YAWN.

pecunium
11 years ago

Argenti: He fondles it the way a bad actor fondles a cross in a vampire melodrama; he’s playing with it to keep Death at bay.

Kittehs: The problem with the Basilisk is the Yudcultists are not good thinkers. They ascribe motives to the AI the way people building any deity from scratch do: by ascribing it their basest, most venal, aspects.

They want, desperately, for this to come to pass. They want to be able to devote their every waking energy to it (and some do). They imagine that it wants this too. They posit that it will have godlike powers (because EVERYTHING IS DATA, and it will be able to control the data).

So the AI will be able to read the past the way we read the manboobz; only it won’t need a search function to find Antz, or Meller, or CrackEmcee, or any one of the countless trolls who didn’t leave enough impression on us to recall. It will have a “mind” able to process, and recall, all of that. It will have the memories of everyone who has “joined” it (and so become immortal).

And that will allow it to do things we can’t imagine. It will make it possible for it to “bargain with the past” by knowing what you thought, and what you chose to do, and what you chose not to do. It will know your motives, and if those motives were bad (i.e. you didn’t work to save humanity by striving to create the Singularity) it will know you knew that you would be punished.

Then, as with finding a particle (or a wave), you will come to be punished. Inevitably.

It’s daft, but there are those who believe it.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Of course he can’t just have nervous tells like the rest of us!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I’m not seeing any particular reasons why an AI would be vengeful. Why would it have emotions at all? Vengeance isn’t about logically deciding that people who’ve done X must be subject to Y, it’s all about emotions.

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