For a certain subset of horrible men, there are few things more infuriating than the fact that women they find undesirable can turn down men for sex. For this upsets their primitive sense of justice: such women should be so grateful for any male attention, these men think, that turning down even the most boorish of men shouldn’t even be an option for them.
Consider the reactions of some of the regulars on date-rapey pickup guru Roosh V’s forum to the story of Josh and Mary on the dating site Plenty of Fish. One fine December evening, you see, Josh decided to try a little “direct game” on Mary.
That’s what the fellas on Roosh’s forum call it, anyway. The rest of us would call it sexual harassment.
Josh started off by asking Mary if she “wanted to be fuck buddies.” She said “nope,” and the conversation went downhill from there, with Josh sending a series of increasingly explicit comments to Mary, despite getting nothing but negative replies from her.
After eight messages from Josh, with the last one suggesting he would pay her $50 to “come over right now and swallow my load,” Mary turned the tables, noting that she’d been able to deduce his real identity from his PoF profile, and asking him if he wanted her to send screenshots of the chat to his mother and grandmother. He begged her not to.
As you may have already figured out, from the fact that we’re talking about this story in public, Mary did indeed pass along the screenshots, and posted them online.
Poetic justice? Not to the fellas on Roosh’s forum. Because, you see, Mary is … a fat chick.
While dismissing Josh as a “chode” with “atrocious game,” Scorpion saved most of his anger for the harassed woman:
Look how much she relishes not only shooting him down, but damaging his reputation with his own family. She’s positively intoxicated with her power. Simply spitting bad direct game is enough to unleash her vindictive fury.
“Bad direct game.” I’m pretty sure even Clarence Thomas would consider what Josh did sexual harassment.
At any point, she could have pressed a single button and blocked the man from communicating with her, but she didn’t. She didn’t because she enjoys the feeling of power she gets from receiving attention from guys like this and then brutally shooting them down. It makes her feel much hotter and more desirable than she actually is in real life. She’s not there to meet men; she’s there to virtually castrate them for her own amusement.
I’m guessing here, but I’m pretty sure that nowhere in Mary’s profile did she encourage the men of PoF to send her explicit sexual propositions out of the blue. And I’m pretty sure she didn’t hold a gun to Josh’s head and force him to send a half-dozen sexually explicit harassing messages to a woman he didn’t know.
Athlone McGinnis also relies heavily on euphemism when describing Josh’s appalling behavior:
I don’t think its primarily the revenge she’s after, its the validation. She is enjoying the power she has over this guy and wielding it brutally because it shows she can maintain standards despite her weight and the doubtless numerous confidence issues that stem from it. In blowing up this guy for being too direct in his evaluation of her sexuality, she affirms the value of her own sexuality.
Oh, so he was just being “direct in his evaluation of her sexuality.”
In short: “I am wanted, but I have standards and can choose. I have so much agency despite my weight that I can go as far as to punish those who approach me in a way I do not like rather than simply blocking them. I’m teaching them a lesson, because I’m valuable enough to provide such lessons.
So apparently in Mr. McGinnis’ world women who are fat aren’t supposed to have agency? They’re not supposed to be able to choose? They’re supposed to drop their panties to any guy who offers to be their fuck buddy or tells them to “suck my dick?”
Also, I’m a victim bravely standing up against online bullying/harassment-look at me!”
Yeah, actually, she is. Get used to it, guys, because you’re going to see a lot more of this in the future.
This isn’t just a laughing matter for her. She needs to be able to do this in order to feel worthwhile. She has to be able to show that even she is able to maintain standards and doesn’t have to settle for just any old guy asking for any old sexual favor simply because she resembles a beached manatee.
And it’s not a laughing matter for you either, is it? You’re actually angry that a woman said no to a sexual harasser — because you don’t find her attractive. And because Josh — from his picture, a conventionally attractive, non-fat fellow — did.
Mr. McGinnis, may a fat person sit on your dreams, and crush them.
@kittserf:
By God, that shit is Dave Sims-level awful!
“In sex, man is driven into the very abyss which he flees. He makes a voyage to non-being and back.”
Talk about dreadfully pretentious…
It’s also amusing she’s trying to sound like Nietzsche too, as if that somehow makes her statements more profound.
RE: pecunium
MRAL is STILL going around under his original name? I thought he was merely a Frankenstein’s monster made entirely out of sock puppets at this point.
Gawd no, the last thing we need is Tommyboy spawning.
Kitteh — does he spawn like zombies? Cuz I’ve got a sword for that *totally has VtM:B paused*
Pecunium — yeah I saw him over there and weeeird doesn’t begin to cover it. Cuz even if it is an act, it proved he’s capable of at least pretending to be a decent human being (unlike a decent zombie, decent zombies uh…fly to bits in one hack…)
Nick – it’s woeful, isn’t it? And it’s the first thing that comes up on a “camille paglia misogynist” search. Condemned out of her own mouth, or keyboard, at least.
The one about the Minoan civilisation made me roll my eyes so hard. Yeah, only a weak ladybrain society would have any trouble recovering from a volcanic eruption that dwarfed Krakatoa. If dudes had been running the show they’d have just shrugged it off.
Argenti – prolly does. After all, he is in need of brainz.
MRAL lost any of my sympathy ages ago. From what I can tell, he could never manage to feign decency for long before devolving into frothing wrath or self-pity.
That’s the impression I had from reading old posts too, LBT. (Mr Al had been banned before I started commenting, I think, though Steele was still around.)
@marinerachel, Thanks for posting.
I think I found that photo of Roosh V. Very telling.
And him going all Mr Intense for the camera … Bwahahahahha!
That picture is hilarious.
“I’m just going to sneak in at the edge here and pretend I know these people. Don’t mind me, I’m not going to…oh, I see you’re too focused on the other guy to even notice me. Time to go pout on my blog again.”
He looks like the narrator of a wildlife documentary. In the scene, but not of it.
“Look at me! I have attained proximity to nubile human females! I am now expert in male-female relationship dynamics!”
I just heard David Attenborough read that.
I’ve also learnt that Warren Farrell and RooshV aren’t prominent voices in the MRM and you don’t know what you’re talking about if you think they are. Now, as much as I’d like to believe neither is and commend anyone who denounces their contributions, you need to have your fingers in your ears AND your head up your butt to believe that. They’re two of the most spoken about and overwhelmingly welcome voices in the manosphere.
That RooshV photo was fantastic.
I’ll be honest; I know a fair number of women who would find his appearance attractive. But the moment he opened his mouth, they’d kick him to the curb.
Paglia wrote that women who are raped at frat parties are exactly like leaving your car keys on a park bench, and that if women ran society we’d still be living in huts.
She’s a misogynist shit.
@OP
Not necessarily. He may have thought, as so many men do, that a fat woman would be grateful for any kind of attention.
@LBT
It’d be a public service, like those people who pretend to fall for 419 scams in order to keep the scammers busy.
@David
Wow. When even r/mensrights is taking the woman’s side, you know you’ve become king of the douchecanoes.
“Paglia wrote that women who are raped at frat parties are exactly like leaving your car keys on a park bench…”
This is obviously a stupid analogy, but I have to point out that even if it were a PERFECT analogy it’s completely irrelevant because IN FACT, if you leave your keys on a park bench and someone uses them to steal your car, and gets caught, they will face an unambiguous charge of grand theft auto and the possibility of a long prison sentence.
There is no “I thought that [insert thing that is not an invitation] was an invitation!” defense to auto theft or for any other crime other than, for some reason, rape.
I can’t believe they invented the term “direct game” for shit like this. Is every single interaction with a woman some sort of game? I mean, there’s always that 0.0000000001% chance she might lay you, right? Grabbing a strange woman’s boob can’t be illegal if we call it something else. Kino Plus, maybe.
When ObsidianFiles was here, he referred to dating someone from your circle of friends as “social circle game”. So yes, to them, literally every interaction with women is some form of “Game”.
Remember that guy on YouTube who posts videos of every time he ever talks to a woman, including checkers at the grocery store?
I remember that guy.
He broke my creep-o-meter.
*shudder*
@You’llNeverGuess- My theory is that those guys call it “game” to take the emotional sting out of having to be vulnerable and put themselves out there with women. If it’s just a game, they don’t have to take rejection seriously and maybe admit that they are creepy mccreepersons.
And that picture of Roosh is great. All of the girls are clearly slooooowly edging away.
Re/ “Patricia’s Smart Phone,” maybe this is the way the story should have been told?
Ugh, just awful, thudding prose. Not even a story, really, just hectoring.
Oh, that old tired “we’re just trying to teach women how not to get raped”-schtick. *sigh*
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong our automatically victim-blaming in principle with telling people that if you do this or that you’ll reduce the risk that you become a victim of a crime. We do tell people to keep wallets in front pockets rather than back pockets, not post all over the internet that they’re going away on a trip and are gonna leave the house empty for two weeks or, well, leave their car keys unattended. The difference between this kind of advice and the common “anti-rape-advice” given to women are
– if you do write all over facebook that your house is gonna be empty, and someone burgles you, no one will claim that you probably wanted your stuff taken, or that at least the burglars may have made that honest mistake.
– Keeping your wallet in the front pocket, not posting all over the internet about your empty house and so on are fairly simple things to do; and you do them, and then you’re done and can think about other stuff. Anti-rape advice OTOH, typically demands of women that they constantly think about the risk of getting raped and live their entire lives in specific ways.
– Most anti-crime advice given is probably fairly sensible stuff, while most anti rape advice builds on the unproven assumption that men become rapists when their sexual urges just overwhelm them.
– Most anti-crime advice take into account what the crimes actually looks like, while anti-rape advice always focuses on the statistically rare scenario of a stranger attacking you. I checked the statistics for Sweden, and the number of reported stranger rapes (or assault rape perhaps, I’m not quite sure what the correct English term is) are between 3-400 a year, and it’s a pretty stable figure. That in a country with nine million people. Other kinds of rape are reported about 15 000 times a year (add in that acquantance rapes probably go unreported to a much higher degree). It’s as if all anti-burglary advice was completely centered around the possibility that someone would scale your wall spiderman style, up on the roof and down through the chimney, while completely ignoring any other kind of burglary.