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Women are lying when they say they want more dicks on TV, Men’s Rights Redditors explain

Artist Louise Bourgeois also pretended to like dongs.
Artist Louise Bourgeois also pretended to like dongs.

So for some reason the fellas on the Men’s Rights subreddit are discussing an article by Australian newspaper columnist Clementine Ford in which she expresses her desire to see more dongs on television.

As she notes, there are plenty of boobs on display on HBO shows like Game of Thrones, yet “rarely are we treated to the visual smorgasbord of a well stocked meat platter. ” Ford is sick of it.  “So bring on the parade of wangs, willies and woodies!” she demands. “I’m fond of a wand and I’m not ashamed to say it.”

I’m not terribly familiar with the writings of Clementine Ford, but evidently she’s not big on subtlety.

Anyway, the fellas in the Men’s Rights subreddit aren’t having any of it. Nuh uh. They ain’t buying it, ladies! You may write columns about how you want more wang on TV. You may talk about it with your friends. You may have gigantic collections of peen pics hidden away on your hard drive.

But the MRAs of Reddit know better. It’s all some devious feminist ploy, as Steampunk_Moustache helpfully explains.

Steampunk_Moustache 1 point 5 hours ago (2|1)  It's rather funny seeing feminists pretend they want to see penises just so that they can make this (weak) argument, isn't it?  Women don't want to look at dicks. Women don't get turned on by the sight of dicks.  Do you know who gets turned on by the sight of dicks? Ironically, straight men.

Huh. That took an odd twist at the end there.

But it’s our old friend Giegerwasright who provides the real answer, in the form of a wall-o-mansplainin’ so giant that I had to shrink the text to even screencap it.

giegerwasright 27 points 10 hours ago (31|4)  OK, my negroes. I'm going to lay this out for you. Because the women in this article and the writer of this article... they aren't interested at all in the male form. Not a single bit. They're just being spoiled brat children (as usual) stomping their feet and nasally sneering "what about you! what about you!" They're just looking for something to whinge about and make demands of (as usual) that they never really have any interest in making use of.  How may women in visual arts profess an adoration for the male form? Can you name a single female visual artist who has expressed her passion for that male form through her art in a manner that is sublime? I can't. I can easily fine male visual artists who do so. Michelangelo's David is a pretty classic example. Everything by Caravaggio stands out quite beautifully. Mapplethorpe's photos of men show a passion for the male form, a passion that ultimately killed him, that I have never in my life seen expressed in a single woman's work. Never. Women don't appreciate or even like the male form very much. They like what it gets them.  You're just as likely to find men who express that adoration for the female form as you will the male. I'd start with Mona Lisa, but I find that painting to be rather reserved and dispassionate. Take a look at the work of John Singer Sargent. Picasso expressed adoration for the female form both in and out of his cubist works. Monet, Manet, Van Gogh, to Man Ray and Helmut Newton. On and on and on is a list of male artists with a visceral and obsessive adoration for the female form.  And female artists? What do they like? Nearly unilaterally, they seem to prefer the female form as well. They are not driven by the same compulsion for the opposite sex that so many male artists seem to experience. They just aren't interested. What did Frida Khalo paint? Herself. Georgia O'Keefe? her vagina. Cindy Sherman? More women. Even pop photographers are more interested in the female form. Look at the work of Bunny Yeager. Women as artists are only concerned with their own form.  The only interest that women have in the male form is it's utility and as fodder for humor. "tee hee! a penis! tee hee!". These women aren't requesting "cocks". They don't want "dicks". They aren't raging for "erections". They want "dongs". Fodder for jokes. Remember when Ensler came out with the Vagina Monologues? We all know it here. The play waxed poetic about the beauty and versimilitude of the female organ. What did men get that year? That year, the penis got "Puppetry of the Penis". A joke. A ridicule. A parlour trick. A fucking carnival act.  So, when women clench their fists and bawl with quivering lower lip "Why dere is no dongz on da tee vee!?!?" I have to respond "Because you don't fucking want them. That's why."

Huh.

So why exactly are women pretending to be interested in seeing more penises on television? So they can point at them and laugh?

Women are such an enigma, especially if you just assume that nothing they ever say is true and that it’s all part of some weird plot to screw with men’s heads.

(H/t to r/againstmensrights for pointing me to geigerwasright’s lovely comment.)

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crazyladyblues
crazyladyblues
11 years ago

I do life drawing classes when I can & I’m perfectly happy to sketch a male model. Some of my best sketches are of men. When I’m sketching, I might not be so interested in the genitals, I’m more interested in the musculature of the torso.

& FFS: Georgia O’Keefe painted amazingly sensual flowers, abstracts & landscapes. Cindy Sherman is a photographer who uses herself as the subject. Her work appears to me to look stills from movies & I always want to know the story. I know I shouldn’t get annoyed at the lack of basic research.

yaoi huntress earth
yaoi huntress earth
11 years ago

Women don’t appericate the male form? I think someone needs to take a trip to Y-Gallery (http://www.y-gallery.net/).

It just goes with the MRA belief that all women are supposed to not like sex (and only the frilly candles and such if they do) because if they do, “they’re acting like men”.

Good
Good
11 years ago

Mez

The article placed the nude man as the least thing the women were aroused by. Also, outside of porn, erect penises are not shown on television. So we are dealing with flaccids. There is little evidence supporting a significant desire for women to see male full frontal nudity on television. The responses here are mostly anecdotal and I can point you to women making similar personal statements supporting the study:

http://www.good.is/posts/you-won-t-attract-women-with-cellphone-pictures-of-your-penis

Again, you have a group of women who to desire something because they see men doing it and since men’s bare chests are commonly shown on tv, they target the genitalia.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

The.. the daily mail? SERIOUSLY?

kittiwantsavatars
kittiwantsavatars
11 years ago

@falconer

North Carolina has a law now that will send women to jail if convicted of trying to arouse people with their naughty, naughty nips in public. 6 months for a first offense.

Wow. Fuck North Carolina. al;djadlkj. Can’t thought, just PO’d.

Kakanian
Kakanian
11 years ago

Well US movies have a really wierd stance on penises. They usually don’t reveal them other than when the scene calls for the man to reveal his vulvernability in a very dramatic and touching scene. So I’d guess the producers imagine that the regular viewers would expect the manly hard men in their manly fantasy epic to break down and talk about body issues or how their divorce has been eating at them every time the camera somehow captures their penises along with everything else.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

And that^ was Marie, wordpress changed my name 🙁

Michael Søndberg Olsen

“Again, you have a group of women who to desire something because they see men doing it and since men’s bare chests are commonly shown on tv, they target the genitalia.” Please make this sentence make sense.

Good
Good
11 years ago

You are wrong. Women’s breasts are sexualized in American culture (they are in other cultures, too). Men’s bare chests are NOT sexualized to the degree that women’s breasts are, therefore they are NOT an equivalent example.

Breasts are not sex organs. That is a fact. Being “sexualized” does not make them sex organs. They are mammary organs. Butts are also sexualized, but they are not sex organs. Men’s bare butts are commonly shown on screen. Any body part can be sexualized. Every part of a woman’s body is sexualized in some Muslim cultures.

YoullNeverGuess
YoullNeverGuess
11 years ago

Personally, I think it’s really a shame that an erection is defined as obscenity. I understand the logic that it’s the same as a woman with spread legs, BUT. If you see a picture of an attractive naked man giving the camera a come hither look, and his junk is soft, then you know the picture is a LIE. An attractive naked women giving the camera a come hither look, at least everything looks consistent.

I like wood. I really wish that there was a flavor of softcore porn that included erections. I don’t like hardcore porn, but I find softcore a little dull. We need wood!

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@good.

Dude. nobody is trying to say breasts are sex organs.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
11 years ago

Please make this sentence make sense.

“Women are bitches who want to take away men’s natural right to be the center of all human sexuality by claiming that they have needs and desires when we all know they are vicious harpies who only use sex to get money.”

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Everything is sexual if you’re doing it right. Or very, very wrong. And good, stop talking like you’re a robot who just discovered humans.

Falconer
Falconer
11 years ago

Breasts are not sex organs. That is a fact. Being “sexualized” does not make them sex organs.

Wow, way to miss the point, there.

Falconer
Falconer
11 years ago

Wow. Fuck North Carolina. al;djadlkj. Can’t thought, just PO’d.

The law goes on to say that it’s up to the local governments to regulate things like strip joints.

Oh, good. I was worried men would be forced to stop exploiting women for a moment there.

Good
Good
11 years ago
deniseeliza
deniseeliza
11 years ago

The article placed the nude man as the least thing the women were aroused by.

Least arousing of a selection of possibly arousing things is not the same as “women are not aroused by penises and those who say they are are liars”.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Yeah, but when we read it at the NY times and Atlantic it becomes more obvious you don’t understand it at all.

Whoooooops.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

In other news, does Good actually know what “straw man” means?

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
11 years ago

In other news, does Good actually know what “straw man” means?

Signs point to no.

Good
Good
11 years ago

Don’t see your point PJ. No one is debating the reasons for behavior, just that the behavior exists.

Dude. nobody is trying to say breasts are sex organs.

I stated that they are not sex organs and was told point blank that I was “wrong”. Breasts and penises are not comparable.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

What is a strawman made out of, precious? You could say I threw the baby out with the bathwater, maybe…. but learn what words mean before you use ’em. Since calling yourself “good” is a hell of a misnomer.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@Good

I stated that they are not sex organs and was told point blank that I was “wrong”. Breasts and penises are not comparable.

LInk plz. Cuz it seems like you think people pointing out they are sexualized more than chests w/o breats is saying they are sex organs…so…

Guys, I feel like I’m not really coherent today, so tell me if I don’t make any sense. I’m betting I still make more sense than good though.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

So if anectdotal evidence is good enough
(http://www.good.is/posts/you-won-t-attract-women-with-cellphone-pictures-of-your-penis)
how come its only good enough
to support one side of the argument in this binary “Yes / No”, “Do, Don’t”?

“Women don’t” is clearly wrong, since women here are saying “Uh, yes, do”. Then it becomes not a categorical “Women are not” but a general “most women are not”, and even then, it seems to me to be an even balance.

And yeah, my anecdotal experience runs along the lines of “Likes the male form”.
( Tumblr is like an ocean, vast and deep. Oh, and all the ships )

interesting choice of words though;
Again, you have a group of women who to desire something because they see men doing it and since men’s bare chests are commonly shown on tv, they target the genitalia.
in the context of this conversation.

It’s like Obsidian again, and the entire “But enthusiastic consent is hard! What if you’re not a man who is good looking enough to get it? As a feminist, you then want to deny these men the right to get laid”, ie, arguing falliciously against others stated preference and opinion for the sake of denying someones existence.

So really it ties into the information that your linked science research offers – men are not too good at admitting they like the male form, and it’s much, much easier to say “Yay! Women!” because everyone already has a lot of training there.

Seriously, Good; “

There is little evidence supporting a significant desire for women to see male full frontal nudity on television

vs

““I’m fond of a wand and I’m not ashamed to say it.”

How much evidence is “significant”?