So for some reason the fellas on the Men’s Rights subreddit are discussing an article by Australian newspaper columnist Clementine Ford in which she expresses her desire to see more dongs on television.
As she notes, there are plenty of boobs on display on HBO shows like Game of Thrones, yet “rarely are we treated to the visual smorgasbord of a well stocked meat platter. ” Ford is sick of it. “So bring on the parade of wangs, willies and woodies!” she demands. “I’m fond of a wand and I’m not ashamed to say it.”
I’m not terribly familiar with the writings of Clementine Ford, but evidently she’s not big on subtlety.
Anyway, the fellas in the Men’s Rights subreddit aren’t having any of it. Nuh uh. They ain’t buying it, ladies! You may write columns about how you want more wang on TV. You may talk about it with your friends. You may have gigantic collections of peen pics hidden away on your hard drive.
But the MRAs of Reddit know better. It’s all some devious feminist ploy, as Steampunk_Moustache helpfully explains.
Huh. That took an odd twist at the end there.
But it’s our old friend Giegerwasright who provides the real answer, in the form of a wall-o-mansplainin’ so giant that I had to shrink the text to even screencap it.
Huh.
So why exactly are women pretending to be interested in seeing more penises on television? So they can point at them and laugh?
Women are such an enigma, especially if you just assume that nothing they ever say is true and that it’s all part of some weird plot to screw with men’s heads.
(H/t to r/againstmensrights for pointing me to geigerwasright’s lovely comment.)
Traditionally the one big block is that male dominated censorship boards like the MPAA and the FCC decided that the sight of a penis, especially an erect penis were something that we all needed to be protected from.
There’s also a bit of a flashback here to the movie Watchmen, anyone else remember all the male commentary hysterically complaining and panicking over the sight of some blue superhuman cock on the silver screen. I sure do.
As for Steampunk_Moustache’s contention… erm… does he know any actual women?
The Real Men know that women just want to have sex with their money. Well, I’d have sex with a dollar bill before I touched one of these gents, so…
He starts off with “OK, my negroes” and expects to be taken seriously? No.
He really needs to educate himself about who’s supposed to be looked at/whose looking is privileged in this culture. Generally, it’s not men.
You’d think they’d be all over this since they’re so fond of showing their asses.
^Generally it’s not men who are supposed to be looked at.
@Hyena Girl: That does seem to be the answer. For whatever reason, male nudity is considered more offensive than female nudity.
It reminds me of something I read about nudes in contemporary pop culture. In film and artistic depictions, women are often shown in an exaggerated state of sexual arousal. Outside of porn, you don’t see the same for men. That’s just society’s take on it.
@Andrew
Which is a shame. An aroused man with a nice physique is as much fun to look at as a similarly turned out woman. Perhaps its a crippling fear of being seen as gay which bothers them?
You know… this brings to mind a quote…
“The gun is good. The penis is evil. The penis shoots seeds, and makes new life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it was, but the gun shoots death, and purifies the Earth of the filth of brutals. Go forth … and kill!”
one only needs to browse tumblr for a few hours to see how many women “appreciate the male form”
could it be that women’s bodies are depicted in art more because women’s bodies are sexualized, objectified, and all their value rests in their appearance? because I’ll gladly relinquish that to be valued for utility…you know, a word that implies I actually have use or a purpose.
This is true. Though I have noticed women are doing a bit more looking too. I’ve also seen MRAs complain about that as well. In short, anything women do is bad.
We don’t want to see penis. That’s why so many women on my Facebook and Tumblr feeds were buzzing about the “full frontal Eric” on Sunday night’s episode of True Blood.
Also, MRAs use the “male gaze” and our culture’s insistence on framing sexual desire from a straight man’s perspective as proof that women don’t like sex. SMH.
I’ve known very few straight or bi women who have not, often enthusiastically and with no prompting by me, expressed pleasure at viewing the nude male form, particularly one that is athletically fit. And they all enjoy the sight of the peen.
The “Things MRAs don’t understand” list just keeps growing, doesn’t it?
ERICS PENIS IS ON TRUE BLOOD NOW?
I need to start watching this show again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334832/Womens-sexual-desire-just-strong-ravenous-mens-claims-explosive-new-book.html
The videos consisted of a heterosexual couple having sex, male and female homosexual couples having sex, a woman masturbating, a man masturbating, a naked chiseled man walking along the beach and a naked toned woman doing calisthenics – and a male and female bonobo monkey mating
Men who identified as straight were aroused mentally and physically by all the videos featuring women – bar the monkeys
*snip*
‘No matter what their self-proclaimed sexual orientation, [women] showed, on the whole, strong and swift genital arousal when the screen offered men with men, women with women and women with men. They responded objectively much more to the exercising woman than to the strolling man, and their blood flow rose quickly… though to a lesser degree than during all the human scenes except the footage of the ambling, strapping man — as they watched the apes.’
So it appears that a fully naked well built man walking on a beach naked is the least arousing of all videos including apes having sex, whereas straight men are aroused by all videos including women. Thus, it does seem that women are not that interested in seeing penises.
Below is another study that seems to support what the subreddit guys are saying. I would agree that it is mostly a case of “because they can see this, I should be able to see that”. The problem is that breasts are not sex organs, while penises are and showing a penis is comparable to showing a vulva.
http://www.nerve.com/news/love-sex/study-men-and-women-both-uncomfortable-looking-at-male-nudity
Fuck off, Good.
Ok, I’m trying to connect the dots here.
So women don’t like male nudity, they only say it to make a feminist point. Feminists are also anti-sex puritans, since, of course women don’t like sex. Women who won’t have sex with me [hypothetical MRA] are mean.
Makes sense.
MILD SPOILER refers to cliffhanger ending of this current season:
It’s a “death” scene so I was underwhelmed. I’d rather see sexytime peen, not “he might be dying but he better not because then I’m done with this show, kill bill instead” peen.
Yes, male MRAs, please tell women what they are sexually aroused by. I’m sure your assessments are 100% accurate because RED PILL
I see this bullshit in every comment thread about this video.
You are wrong. Women’s breasts are sexualized in American culture (they are in other cultures, too). Men’s bare chests are NOT sexualized to the degree that women’s breasts are, therefore they are NOT an equivalent example.
Also, the study you cite regarding arousal still falls in line with our point that culturally, we view the female body as = sex in a way that the male body is not. It is not surprising that straight women find themselves aroused by nude women — we are socialized to see them in terms of sex.
You need to read again, Good.
What you’re pasting (which, incidentally, has received a lot of scientific criticism after the book came out – evo psych is still mostly a hypothesis generator) does not mention that it is impossible that a woman may be aroused by the sight of penises.
But yeah, duh, men are less objectified. It’s not clear how much it has to do with biology though. There are still a few tribes where the roles are reversed (though most of them have now been westernized). Maybe the first thing to do would be to calm down on slut shaming and stop telling women they are lying when they mention their sexual desires, if you so wish to be objectified.
Oh man, now Good is linking The Daily Fail.
*Fetches some popcorn*
Yep, saw that Daily Fail link and LOL’d.
Chie: Agreed. I think breasts and buttocks are similarly sexualized, but even on that standard you’re far more likely to see a woman’s bare butt in mainstream media than a man’s.
And that’s a ‘blood flow measurement’ test, isn’t it?
The ones that time and time again have directly contradicted what women said they were aroused by?
@Good: Curious little study that I’ve heard about over and over again. I wonder, would the results have been the same if the methodology was used in say… ancient Greece?
I’m hesitant to say that studies like those indicate any “nature” in terms of sexuality or sex, because so much of that is socialized. I mean, when you have the majority of women in media being portrayed as objects of desire and sexual objects, their very roles in the medium linked specifically to sex and sex appeal, can you really blame women who get aroused by women in some shape or form?
It’d be interesting to see the framing of the videos of the exercising woman and strolling man… I wonder if the camera stays still or if it kinda pans around and zooms suggestively.
The results make me wonder why the videos weren’t both strolling (or both exercising). Surely there’s a huge difference between a naked body just walking versus exercising… I’m pretty sure the difference is why there are so many almost naked ripped bodies in slow motion on exercise equipment commercials.
Oh.
Yeah. That’s less exciting.
I know Eric is evil and all but Bill is boring and Eric is hot and I want to see sexytimes Eric penis.