Over on MGTOWforums.com, a fellow calling himself donttrustwomen has written a little, well, I don’t quite know what it is — an essay? a manifesto? a poem? — called “The Average Woman of Today.” I think it’s fairly clear from reading it that he has never taken a course in statistics. And has possibly never actually met a woman.
The average woman of today is in the club every weekend
The average woman of today has 10-20 “good guy friends”
The average woman of today has 150 guys in her phone
The average woman of today dresses scandalous
I don’t know about that, but I’m pretty sure the average woman (of a certain age) of today watches Notorious.
Our MGTOW statistician continues:
The average woman of today has 1-2 abortions on her resume
I don’t think that generally goes on the resume. Where would it even go? Under “hobbies?”
Also, according to the Guttmacher Institute, less than half of American women have abortions by the age of 45. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)
The average woman of today has or had a STD
Well, this is true. It’s also true of the average man of today. Indeed, according to the CDC, Human Papillomavirus (HPV) is so common that nearly all sexually active people get it at some point in their life. Happily, most STDs are treatable. Also, use condoms!
The average woman of today cheats on her boyfriend or husband
Well, this is also true, at least according to the stats I found here, which suggest that a little more than half of women cheat on their partners at some point in their life. But guess what? Men cheat on their partners in similar numbers.
The average woman of today curses like a sailor
The average woman of today wears to much makeup
The average woman of today seeks attention whether negative or positive
Huh. For some reason the first person who pops to mind when I hear the phrase “attention seeking” is not a woman.
The average woman of today is on dating sites getting 100 msgs a day
Not exactly. There aren’t good numbers on this, but one online experiment found that while more conventionally attractive women could indeed get dozens of messages a day, an average woman might get all of three.
Also, have you actually seen the sorts of messages women on dating sites get? Who would even want to sort through a hundred of these a day?
The average woman of today expects you to pay her bills
Uh, what?
The average woman of today expects you to raise and accept her child out of wedlock
Well, no. But if you do agree to, say, marry a woman with children, her kids do indeed come as part of the deal. Just as when a woman marries a divorced father with kids. You are of course free to not date women with children or indeed any women at all.
The average woman of today rarely brings any redeeming qualities to the table
I’m not really seeing how a regular commenter on MGTOWforums.com really has any reason to complain on this front.
The average woman of today is manipulative
The average woman of today is selfish
The average woman of today gets bored easily
I think you may actually be talking about kitties here, not women. But kitties are adorable, so we forgive them.
Onward:
The average woman of today is on facebook, twitter, instagram feeding her ego through likes and followers
Yeah, no men ever do that.
The average woman of today would be stoned and called a harlot 3,000 years ago
The average woman of today rides the cock carousel
The average woman of today gives it up on the first night
Why does it make these guys so angry that there are women out there who enjoy having sex with men?
The average woman of today is unappreciative
Of dudes on the internet who hate her?
The average woman of today has lewd photos or videos circulating on the internet
Despite the astounding number of lewd pictures and videos online, I suspect that the percentage of women who’ve appeared in them is still relatively small. I wonder, though, how the number of women who’ve put nude or “lewd” pics of themselves on the internet compares to the number of guys who’ve sent dick pics to willing or unwilling recipients?
The average woman of today follows hypergamy
“Hypergamy,” in the traditional sense of “marrying upward” is actually on the decline, as women move in greater numbers into better paying jobs. “Doctors used to marry nurses,” Katrin Bennhold observes in a piece on the subject in the New York Times. “Now doctors marry doctors.”
The average woman of today files for divorce 70 percent of the time
Donttrustwomen seems to be confusing a couple of different statistics here. Yes, when couples divorce, the woman is more likely to be the one to file for divorce — though this does not necessarily imply that she’s the one responsible for breaking up the marriage. But 70% of marriages don’t end in divorce. Heck, the old saw about 50% of marriages ending in divorce is a myth; the correct percentage may be as low as 30.
The average woman of today looks for a starter husband
The average woman of today can’t tell the difference between a guy who cares about them and a guy who just wants them for sex
The average woman of today is unfit to marry or even call a girlfriend.
Keep telling yourself all this, dude. It’s in everybody’s best interests for you, personally, to continue to go your own way. Aren’t you guys getting an island, or something?
The average woman of today follows hypergamy
… on Twitter?
… on HBO?
… from a distance so that it doesn’t know that it’s being stalked?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Online dating: where women get dozens of copy/paste ‘Yo hot mama’ messages.
I find the views on sexuality interesting. They are pissed off that women have guy friends, and don’t have sex with them (because why else would a guy hang out with a woman?). They are pissed off that women are willing to have sex with a willing partner. It sounds to me that they are pissed off women don’t have enough sex with them, because they are such amazing guys. They begrudge women being part of society, want them to be excluded, be more ‘proper’ (whatever that means) and curse less. But they’re ANTI-PC!!!1! I may be missing something, but is there any brand of feminism that thinks that men should pay more bills? I’ve never heard of one.
Again, this weird tirade against conservative/traditionalist thinking, but with a big praising of conservative/traditionalist thinking. Nostalgia of a world that never existed.
I feel sad for these guys. They’re clearly lost, and they’ve built this little world outside reality to justify their anger. I fully support they stay away from women (from people; I don’t think they should be in relationships with other genders either). I do hope they come to terms with their weird hatred.
OK David – this made me laugh out loud.
The first thing that came to my mind on people ‘looking for attention’:
http://www.pualingo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/mystery_method_neil_strauss_style_pua_peacocking.jpg
“I’M GOING MY OWN WAY, IN 3…2…1…HEY LADY, COME BACK HERE AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU SUCK.”
Was all I heard.
This is an interesting observation. I’ve always assumed that “female hypergamy” was due to the fact that men are generally richer than women (especially in the past), but now I’m thinking there might be a more specific component. If people normally marry within social groups as defined by work or other activities, and the upper levels within each field are reserved for men, of course women are going to marry up – most of the men a woman knows and has anything in common with will be richer than she is! A nurse could marry a blue-collar laborer with an income similar to her own, but she’ll have to go out of her way to find him.
“The average woman of today would be stoned and called a harlot 3,000 years ago.”
Ah, the good old days. dontrustwomen should go back there and stay there. I’m sure he’d love it.
The guy who wrote this isn’t “getting any” and now he’s MAD! Instead of being able to admit he doesn’t have the social skills to interact with women (or anyone else) he makes up this crap.
-You’d think they’d want women who go to clubs so they could have more chances to bed one.
-If they dress more conservatively, they would just complain that women don’t put any effort in their looks and are just pigs with no fashion sense.
-What about the men that cheat with the cheating woman? Does that mean the average man is a homewrecker?
-Wearing too much make-up? The European aristocrats of the 1700’s would like a word with you.
-100 dating site messages? How dare they be liked by other people.
-Women can’t win with these guys when it comes to sex. If they do, they’re sluts. If they restrain, they’re just petty bitches who are going to dump them for a richer guy.
-It seems to me your average MRA and PUA has a pump-and-dump mentality so who here is the easily bored, selfish one?
I would love to see how these guys would react when they find out Asian, Russian and to a lesser extent, Hispanic women are only human. So no tee-hee-hee, “please be gentle with me” type (Asians); perfect supermodels (Russian) or Stepford wives (Hispanic).
They’re certainly yelling into the void–how many average women are going to be looking on MGTOW websites and reading this shit? Was another MGTOW in danger of talking to a woman and needed to be warned? Sound and fury indeed.
1. “The average woman of today can’t tell the difference between a guy who cares about them and a guy who just wants them for sex.”
Fortunately, the average woman of today can tell the difference between a guy who hates women and a guy who doesn’t. This might be why you can’t get laid, poor little woobie.
2. Is he suggesting that ‘the average woman’ should be stoned to death for having sex, just like the good ol’ times? What a peach.
3. This isn’t strictly relevant to this post, but I’m always so confused by men who flail about marriage being “an opportunity for a woman to take half of all they own!!!!!!~!1.” I mean a) what makes them think they own anything worth having? b) does that mean that anyone with any assets of their own should just never marry, or only marry someone who has EXACTLY the same amount of money as they do? Why do they think that “taking half of what they own” is only an issue that men have???
When I marry Mr. L in a few months’ time, he will be giving me $200,000 in law school debt (though he is a corporate tax lawyer and will pay it off in no time). I, on the other hand, have a LOT of assets, mostly property but also stocks, mutual funds, and two cars. And yet, we are still getting married. Amazing. I am so brave and stupid.
“The average woman of today is unfit to marry or even call a girlfriend.”
This is true, though, coming from this particular source. If you are unfit to marry or even call a boyfriend (or decent human being), this does logically follow.
@karalora
That’s interesting. I see ‘hypergamy’ as the result of societal pressure on men to make the first move/court. Since men generally go for younger women, the women earn less on average. Also, society still sees men as breadwinners (less and less). I know a lot of men, including feminist men, who would be uncomfortable is their wife earned more than them. (and vice versa)
Laughed my ass off at “The average woman of today can’t tell the difference between a guy who cares about them and a guy who just wants them for sex.” Since this guy seems to think women have no character or qualities worth a damn, it’s not clear why he would ever have approached or interacted with one unless it was for sex; placing him firmly in the latter camp.
I genuinely can’t figure out why guys like this don’t eventually meet some real women, with real, 3D, non-hypergamous personalities, and end up being disabused of their ‘red pill’ beliefs. Maybe they work in male-dominated work spaces or something?
Then go your own fucking way already! Christ, they should change their name to “Men Staying Here and Banging On About How Much They Hate Women Forums”
@boumbette
I’m sure there are lots of factors contributing to “hypergamy”…but they probably all boil down, on some level, to the fact that our society affords men greater status and agency than women.
MRAs, of course, don’t notice this. Nor do they notice the inherent contradiction in decrying “female hypergamy” while also asserting that women are unfit to hold any decent-paying jobs (or in some cases any jobs at all).
Is it Make Shit Up About The Average Woman Day?
Personally, I just want to trim The Average Woman’s bangs.
Today on Ambiguous Syntax Theatre:
That’s okay, because presumably her girlfriend, also being a woman, is unfit to marry or call her as well.
How can one follow hypergamy, it’s really more of a practice isn’t it?
I think there must be different flavors of MRA’s all with their own origin story. I could liken it to the Republican party, which as far as I know consists of plutocrats, neo-cons, libertarians, cultural conservatives and some outright racist hate groups on the fringe.
So this donttrustwomen fellow has a lot of general complaints that seem to have as a common theme that women tend to not like him, so he falls in the frustrated loser camp. Other MRA’s are simply content to feel superior to women and want to make it known, much like libertarians think they are smarter than others. You also have some that are just honestly clueless and believe in traditional values without understanding with it means etc.
There must be many more though…
@misery: The moment I read the phrase “origin story”, I immediately thought that there must be a superhero comic out there, made by and featuring these guys. I wouldn’t be surprised if it existed, because that’s obviously how they view themselves.
“Defending the world against the tyranny of women having rights, bodily autonomy, and person-status! We are the DUDEBROS!”
I hope I didn’t just give the internet a horrible idea.
Assuming we’re talking the USA, the average woman is 38 with 1.9 children.
Average – you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
PS Number of fucks the average woman gives about Donttrustwomen’s opinions? 0.
Erm… My redeeming qualities were meant for my personal (spiritual) benefit and therefore I get to choose who to share them with. If I’m not sharing those redeeming qualities with an angry, bitter, man who hates a mythological average woman perhaps it’s time to wonder why I’m not prepared to dump all the best qualities of myself into a bottomless void of seething anger?
I’m curious about the “women don’t bring anything to the table” part. A lot of these guys have said outright that they don’t care about a woman’s job, education or hobbies. How she looks and how compliant she is to their wishes seems to be the main draw. They want a living doll. But at some point, the compliance is no longer enough, because older women women are ugly by default (and of course, any weight gain post-pregnancy or due to illness or lifestyle changes is reprehensible). So their doll disappoints them.
Yeah, they can’t go their own way fast enough.
“The average woman of today gets bored easily”
Has this windbag ever taken a breath long enough to hear a woman say, “yo, you’re boring”? Or did he just infer that as she walked away from him with his chin still wagging.