So the other day, Canadian Men’s Rights activist and all-around crank Dan Perrins apparently noticed for the first time that gay men face massive bigotry in Jamaica. He reported his findings in a post on A Voice for Men:
Right now in Jamaica lesbian sex is legal while male homosexual sex acts can get you up to 10 years in prison at hard labor.
In other words, homosexual women are accepted as a normal part of society. Homosexual men are criminals, for just existing.
Wait, what?
Yes, it’s true that Jamaica’s sodomy laws make gay male sex — “buggery” — illegal. And it is true that gay men are often the targets of violence. But Jamaican lesbians also face tremendous bigotry and terrible violence — often in the form of “corrective rape.” (You can find several gruesome examples of this detailed in this US State Department report.) As do others who stray from traditional gender and sexual roles: last month, a gender-nonconforming* teenager was brutally “chopped and stabbed” to death by an angry mob after attending a party dressed as a woman.
But of course Perrins and his AVFM pals aren’t really interested in what’s actually happening to gays or lesbians or trans* folk in Jamaica. They’re interested in making hay out of what they see as another example of evil anti-male bigotry. Here’s how the site is promoting Perrins’ post on its front page:
In Jamaica, you can go to jail for being a gay male, but not for being a lesbian. It is time to quit rewarding this country with tourist dollars that they will use to persecute men for not being of utility to women. Had enough of this shit?
Homophobia has about as much relation to male “utility to women” as the Men’s Rights movement has to a legitimate civil rights movement. That is, approximately none.
Naturally, Perrins doesn’t let his complete ignorance of Jamaican culture — or LGBT issues — get in the way of his grandstanding on the issue, which seems mainly intended as a weird sort of “gotcha” aimed at feminists.
Jamaica’s legal system is in serious need of redress. And folks, since the feminist community, you know, the one that keeps telling us to shut the fuck up because they have teh menz covered, is apparently too busy slut walking to notice this injustice, we need to take up the slack.
And so, with the help of his “activist” friends at A Voice for Men, he’s decided to lead an international boycott against the country. As he puts it:
Folks, it is time to Boycott Jamaica, and to do so for the sake of Equality. And to create an eye-catching ‘hashtag’ in one move ‘#BJ4Equality’.
Yep. AVFM is taking on the Jamaican tourist industry all by itself. And using a hashtag created quite deliberately to evoke the word “blowjob” rather than “boycott” or “jamaica” at first glance.
He’s even put up a little petition you can sign. Last I checked, it had gotten 78 signatures. The Jamaican tourist industry will surely be quaking in its boots.
I doubt that even Perrins is delusional enough to think that AVFM’s petition will make any difference at all to Jamaica’s economy or to the lives of its gay citizens. But he is delusional enough to think that he’s somehow scoring points against feminists.
Feminists are … wrong in their constantly regurgitated claim that the MHRM is homophobic and racist. You are about to help me prove them wrong, again, and also to provide all the ‘nice feminists’ [with an opportunity] to ‘sign up’ or ‘stfu’ about men’s issues.
Actually, Perrins’ little crusade itself offers ample evidence of both homophobia and racism.
The idea that a white dude in Canada — with basically no knowledge or understanding of Jamaican culture beyond what he’s managed to Google in a few minutes — can swoop in and save Jamaican gays from homophobia reflects a stunning sort of colonialist arrogance and, yes, racism.
What real activists do when they want to help those in other countries is that they look for existing activist groups — both in country and internationally — in order to understand what they’re doing already to fight the problem and how someone outside the country can best aid their efforts.
In the case of Jamaica, the most prominent LGBT activist group is the Jamaica Forum for Lesbians, All-Sexuals and Gays (JFLAG) — which has in the past been strenuously opposed to boycotts like that proposed by Perrins.
Indeed, when a group of American LGBT activists tried to launch a Boycott Jamaica campaign in 2009 — also without checking in with JFLAG first — the Jamaican group found itself having to explain in detail why a boycott was not in the best interest of those the boycott was ostensibly trying to help:
Jamaica’s deeply ingrained antipathy towards homosexuality and homosexuals is a social phenomenon that will not be undone by boycott campaigns or government dictate. It requires the painstaking effort of confronting the society and talking to social actors who can bring change in the way society sees LGBT people. We have been doing this through a small but growing group of increasingly aware opinion leaders who are concerned about the damage homophobia does to our society. We need those ears to continue being open to us and we need the relative safety that some of us have been given to speak to them.
The group also took the American activists to task for their obvious ignorance about gay activism in Jamaica — as evidenced by their targeting of Red Stripe beer, despite Red Stripe’s cooperation with Jamaican LGBT activists and its refusal to sponsor anti-gay reggae performers.
We believe that any overseas entity or organisation seeking to agitate for change in a context with which it has only passing familiarity should first do its homework to ensure that it does not do harm to its credibility and ultimately to the cause of the local community whose interest it seeks to defend.
So, yeah. White people, try not to assume that you know better than black people how to solve the problems of black people. Especially when you don’t actually know shit. Because that’s racist.
As for homophobia, well, I think it’s pretty clear that any (alleged) gay rights campaign that starts from the assumption that Jamaican lesbians have it great is pretty homophobic. AVFMers are the only (alleged) gay rights activists I’ve ever run across who not only think it’s ok to ignore the L, B and T of LGBT but who also enjoy attacking transwomen as self-hating self-castrators and tossing around anti-lesbian slurs for fun. (Indeed, see this anti-lesbian screed from an AVFM regular in the comments to Perrins’ post.)
Meanwhile, the 2nd most energetic Twitter propagandist for the #BJ4Equality campaign, our old friend Fidelbogen, is a fellow who, only a day before the campaign launched was tossing around slurs on Twitter aimed at gay and/or effeminate men. In Jamaica, one of the standard slurs for gay men is “batty boy.” Fidelbogen likes the similar term “poodle boy.”
Men who support #feminism are, for the most part, brown-nosers, self-loathers.and poodle-boys. #profeminism #profeminist #FeministArmy
— Fidelbogen – gab.ai/Fidelbogen (@fidelbogen) August 11, 2013
According to Urban Dictionary, “Poodle Boy” means
A guy who’s a little too much in touch with his fem side. Walks with a sashey and holds his left wrist to his upper chest while gliding forward with his right. Understands house plants and window dressings.
Fidelbogen, mocking gay men one day before launching his career as a putative gay rights activist.
A Voice for Men, so full of hatred and bigotry that they can’t even pull off a momentarily convincing simulacrum of social justice activism.
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* The murdered teen has been identified in news accounts as a crossdressing gay male. Some have also described the teen as a transwoman, but it isn’t clear from what I’ve read if the teen identified as one. Hence my use of the term “gender-nonconforming,” which is the terminology used by JFLAG in its statements on the case.
I just realized that I have some Jamaican ginger beer in my fridge. Cheers, everyone!
I’m gonna go out and buy some Red Stripe tonight, just to send some love their way for the support they’ve shown to the queer community!
:: waves hi at WeeBoy ::
Jamaican ginger beer is the only good ginger beer!
You also HAVE to watch the fuckery that went on here. You have to https://twitter.com/fidelbogen
…I am trying to make any kind of bizarro sense out of that, but it’s just not working.
Oh, gods, I just read unfiltered fidelbogen. *Shudder* It burns…..
YoullNeverGuess:
I’ve reread your posts now, and I have to say… that is some serious stupid going on there. I mean, how.. that is… I just don’t… *Headdesk until the pain stops*
Were you just wondering whether or not Tom Martin could get more repulsive?
link to tweet
Oh crap, I didn’t realize it would embed like that. Should I email David to mask it?
One of my coworkers has a horrible fear of spiders, but knows I like them. Today she had me catch one at her work table and let it go outside. We’re both women, so does she still owe me sex? Should I be mad about being preemptively friendzoned?
Oh, I also totally lift heavy things at work for her, but that’s what I’m paid to do…
Cloudiah: I… I just… WHAT?!? How does someone compact that much fail into 140 characters?
augochlorella: No, no. By dealing with the spider, you’ve interfered with the natural order of things, which is that your co-worker should have gotten a man to get the spider, and then given him sex as thanks. To rectify this, therefore, you should both go and find a man and give him sex–her for his presumed service if he’d been given the opportunity, you as compensation for the interference. [/MRA Asshat]
Let’s ignore Tom Martin’s moronic bigotry for a moment here…
The proper wording is fewer not less. Go back to school, Tom. You need it.
Big huge buckets of this.
@ freemage
Yeah, that’s what I figured. I was wondering if the spider was culpable in any of this. After all, my weak female will only allowed me to let the spider go, not kill it. Seems like the spider benefited quite a bit from the arrangement. Does the spider owe anyone sex?
There’s a black widow joke in there, somewhere, I know it….
@MaudeLL
I know it’s been said, but… what is it with those guys thinking that conservative ‘values’ are feminist? It’s weird enough when they equate traditional marriage to feminism, but sodomy laws targeted at gay men? Men who are of no ‘use’ to women are punished? A blatant exercise in projection.
This level of convoluted MRA paranoia totally astounds me.
Bizarre.
What ever happened to Tom Martin’s “documentary”, anyway?
Every single one of you is awesome.
[Mal] Why are we still talking about this? [/Mal]
… Now I feel like one of those bomb monsters from Final Fantasy. You know, the ones that inflate three times and then explode, killing everyone? Yeah.
This is my atonement for accidentally embedding that Tom Martin tweet:
I had a sexist asshat on Twitter try to insult me by saying PZ Myers was poor company to keep.
I said thanks.
But we already knew he wasn’t that bright; he tried to score points against Scalzi.
Wow, this latest one is just downright embarrassing. They’re basically only upset that (they perceive) women aren’t getting their fair share of the bigotry.
As usual, they are uncanny in their ability to pit woman against man in virtually every situation. Gays are discriminated against in Jamaica, and they’re immediately pissed that (they perceive) gay women aren’t. How much you wanna bet that if the bigotry were “equally” attacking both gays and lesbians, they’d have no problem with the bigotry? Shorter perrins: “No ones doing anything to address this agregious not hating on lesbians enough!”
*egregious. Good lord. I’m pretty sure my entire post was written horribly too.
My sixteen year old son asks me to catch spiders and take them outside. I’ve told him that when he’s a grownup, he’ll get to do it. Is that misandry, ageism, or just being parentally snarky?
Also – not going to click on the Fidelbogen link. I just took some extremely expired whipped cream to the compost; I’ve had my daily dose of malodorous waste.
This is textbook MRA modus operandi:
Step 1: Fin a situation where (you think) women have it better than men.
Step 2: Do no research to find out what the actual situation is or how it came to be.
Step 3: Blame women.
In my entire life I’ve had a grand total of two women ask me to kill a creepy critter for them, a roach rather than a spider, and they were exchange students that came from a country that apparently didn’t have cockroaches, or at least not ones as big as the ones we have.
Every other woman I’ve ever known either ignores roaches or they just stomp on them, LIKE THEY STOMP ON THE RIGHTS OF MEN!!!!!