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A Voice for Men’s Dan Perrins: Great White Hope for Jamaica’s Gay Men?

Mighty white of you, Dan!
Dan Perrins has launched an international boycott of Jamaica. Mighty white of you, Dan!

So the other day, Canadian Men’s Rights activist and all-around crank Dan Perrins apparently noticed for the first time that gay men face massive bigotry in Jamaica. He reported his findings in a post on A Voice for Men:

Right now in Jamaica lesbian sex is legal while male homosexual sex acts can get you up to 10 years in prison at hard labor.

In other words, homosexual women are accepted as a normal part of society. Homosexual men are criminals, for just existing.

Wait, what?

Yes, it’s true that Jamaica’s sodomy laws make gay male sex — “buggery” — illegal. And it is true that gay men are often the targets of violence. But Jamaican lesbians also face tremendous bigotry and terrible violence — often in the form of “corrective rape.” (You can find several gruesome examples of this detailed in this US State Department report.)  As do others who stray from traditional gender and sexual roles: last month, a gender-nonconforming* teenager was brutally “chopped and stabbed” to death by an angry mob after attending a party dressed as a woman.

But of course Perrins and his AVFM pals aren’t really interested in what’s actually happening to gays or lesbians or trans* folk in Jamaica. They’re interested in making hay out of what they see as another example of evil anti-male bigotry. Here’s how the site is promoting Perrins’ post on its front page:

In Jamaica, you can go to jail for being a gay male, but not for being a lesbian. It is time to quit rewarding this country with tourist dollars that they will use to persecute men for not being of utility to women. Had enough of this shit?

Homophobia has about as much relation to male “utility to women” as the Men’s Rights movement has to a legitimate civil rights movement. That is, approximately none.

Naturally, Perrins doesn’t let his complete ignorance of Jamaican culture — or LGBT issues — get in the way of his grandstanding on the issue, which seems mainly intended as a weird sort of “gotcha” aimed at feminists.

Jamaica’s legal system is in serious need of redress. And folks, since the feminist community, you know, the one that keeps telling us to shut the fuck up because they have teh menz covered, is apparently too busy slut walking to notice this injustice, we need to take up the slack.

And so, with the help of his “activist” friends at A Voice for Men, he’s decided to lead an international boycott against the country. As he puts it:

Folks, it is time to Boycott Jamaica, and to do so for the sake of Equality. And to create an eye-catching ‘hashtag’ in one move ‘#BJ4Equality’.

Yep. AVFM is taking on the Jamaican tourist industry all by itself. And using a hashtag created quite deliberately to evoke the word “blowjob” rather than “boycott” or “jamaica” at first glance.

He’s even put up a little petition you can sign. Last I checked, it had gotten 78 signatures. The Jamaican tourist industry will surely be quaking in its boots.

I doubt that even Perrins is delusional enough to think that AVFM’s petition will make any difference at all to Jamaica’s economy or to the lives of its gay citizens. But he is delusional enough to think that he’s somehow scoring points against feminists.

Feminists are … wrong in their constantly regurgitated claim that the MHRM is homophobic and racist. You are about to help me prove them wrong, again, and also to provide all the ‘nice feminists’ [with an opportunity]  to ‘sign up’ or ‘stfu’ about men’s issues.

Actually, Perrins’ little crusade itself offers ample evidence of both homophobia and racism.

The idea that a white dude in Canada — with basically no knowledge or understanding of Jamaican culture beyond what he’s managed to Google in a few minutes — can swoop in and save Jamaican gays from homophobia reflects a stunning sort of colonialist arrogance and, yes, racism.

What real activists do when they want to help those in other countries is that they look for existing activist groups — both in country and internationally — in order to understand what they’re doing already to fight the problem and how someone outside the country can best aid their efforts.

In the case of Jamaica, the most prominent LGBT activist group is the Jamaica Forum for Lesbians, All-Sexuals and Gays (JFLAG) — which has in the past been strenuously opposed to boycotts like that proposed by Perrins.

Indeed, when a group of American LGBT activists tried to launch a Boycott Jamaica campaign in 2009 — also without checking in with JFLAG first — the Jamaican group found itself having to explain in detail why a boycott was not in the best interest of those the boycott was ostensibly trying to help:

Jamaica’s deeply ingrained antipathy towards homosexuality and homosexuals is a social phenomenon that will not be undone by boycott campaigns or government dictate. It requires the painstaking effort of confronting the society and talking to social actors who can bring change in the way society sees LGBT people. We have been doing this through a small but growing group of increasingly aware opinion leaders who are concerned about the damage homophobia does to our society. We need those ears to continue being open to us and we need the relative safety that some of us have been given to speak to them.

The group also took the American activists to task for their obvious ignorance about gay activism in Jamaica — as evidenced by their targeting of Red Stripe beer, despite Red Stripe’s cooperation with Jamaican LGBT activists and its refusal to sponsor anti-gay reggae performers.

We believe that any overseas entity or organisation seeking to agitate for change in a context with which it has only passing familiarity should first do its homework to ensure that it does not do harm to its credibility and ultimately to the cause of the local community whose interest it seeks to defend.

So, yeah. White people, try not to assume that you know better than black people how to solve the problems of black people. Especially when you don’t actually know shit. Because that’s racist.

As for homophobia, well, I think it’s pretty clear that any (alleged) gay rights campaign that starts from the assumption that Jamaican lesbians have it great is pretty homophobic. AVFMers are the only (alleged) gay rights activists I’ve ever run across who not only think it’s ok to ignore the L, B and T of LGBT but who also enjoy attacking transwomen as self-hating self-castrators and tossing around anti-lesbian slurs for fun. (Indeed, see this anti-lesbian screed from an AVFM regular in the comments to Perrins’ post.)

Meanwhile, the 2nd most energetic Twitter propagandist for the #BJ4Equality campaign, our old friend Fidelbogen, is a fellow who, only a day before the campaign launched was tossing around slurs on Twitter aimed at gay and/or effeminate men. In Jamaica, one of the standard slurs for gay men is “batty boy.” Fidelbogen likes the similar term “poodle boy.”

According to Urban Dictionary, “Poodle Boy” means

A guy who’s a little too much in touch with his fem side. Walks with a sashey and holds his left wrist to his upper chest while gliding forward with his right. Understands house plants and window dressings.

Fidelbogen, mocking gay men one day before launching his career as a putative gay rights activist.

A Voice for Men, so full of hatred and bigotry that they can’t even pull off a momentarily convincing simulacrum of social justice activism.

* The murdered teen has been identified in news accounts as a crossdressing gay male. Some have also described the teen as a transwoman, but it isn’t clear from what I’ve read if the teen identified as one. Hence my use of the term “gender-nonconforming,” which is the terminology used by JFLAG in its statements on the case.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I just realized that I have some Jamaican ginger beer in my fridge. Cheers, everyone!

cloudiah
8 years ago

I’m gonna go out and buy some Red Stripe tonight, just to send some love their way for the support they’ve shown to the queer community!

:: waves hi at WeeBoy ::

Bostonian
Bostonian
8 years ago

Jamaican ginger beer is the only good ginger beer!

danielleparadis
8 years ago

You also HAVE to watch the fuckery that went on here. You have to https://twitter.com/fidelbogen

katz
8 years ago

and how gay men were just preemptively friendzoned

…I am trying to make any kind of bizarro sense out of that, but it’s just not working.

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

Oh, gods, I just read unfiltered fidelbogen. *Shudder* It burns…..

YoullNeverGuess:

I’ve reread your posts now, and I have to say… that is some serious stupid going on there. I mean, how.. that is… I just don’t… *Headdesk until the pain stops*

cloudiah
8 years ago

Were you just wondering whether or not Tom Martin could get more repulsive?

link to tweet

cloudiah
8 years ago

Oh crap, I didn’t realize it would embed like that. Should I email David to mask it?

augochlorella
8 years ago

I was forcing them stay friends in order to use them to lift heavy things and kill spiders, all the while knowing that I would never have to pay them back with the only currency women possess.

One of my coworkers has a horrible fear of spiders, but knows I like them. Today she had me catch one at her work table and let it go outside. We’re both women, so does she still owe me sex? Should I be mad about being preemptively friendzoned?

augochlorella
8 years ago

Oh, I also totally lift heavy things at work for her, but that’s what I’m paid to do…

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

Cloudiah: I… I just… WHAT?!? How does someone compact that much fail into 140 characters?

augochlorella: No, no. By dealing with the spider, you’ve interfered with the natural order of things, which is that your co-worker should have gotten a man to get the spider, and then given him sex as thanks. To rectify this, therefore, you should both go and find a man and give him sex–her for his presumed service if he’d been given the opportunity, you as compensation for the interference. [/MRA Asshat]

sarahlizhousespouse
8 years ago

Let’s ignore Tom Martin’s moronic bigotry for a moment here…
The proper wording is fewer not less. Go back to school, Tom. You need it.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Seriously, MRAs, fuck right off with your white, straight, saviour complex. YOU ARE NOT HELPING. Don’t use queer folk to prove just how activisty you are and try to blame women for gay oppression.

Big huge buckets of this.

augochlorella
8 years ago

@ freemage

Yeah, that’s what I figured. I was wondering if the spider was culpable in any of this. After all, my weak female will only allowed me to let the spider go, not kill it. Seems like the spider benefited quite a bit from the arrangement. Does the spider owe anyone sex?

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

There’s a black widow joke in there, somewhere, I know it….

Barbara
Barbara
8 years ago

@MaudeLL

I know it’s been said, but… what is it with those guys thinking that conservative ‘values’ are feminist? It’s weird enough when they equate traditional marriage to feminism, but sodomy laws targeted at gay men? Men who are of no ‘use’ to women are punished? A blatant exercise in projection.

This level of convoluted MRA paranoia totally astounds me.

Bizarre.

hometeampaper
hometeampaper
8 years ago

What ever happened to Tom Martin’s “documentary”, anyway?

Falconer
8 years ago

You know, sometimes I wonder how I’ve managed to get as many friends and fans as I do.

Every single one of you is awesome.

[Mal] Why are we still talking about this? [/Mal]

Were you just wondering whether or not Tom Martin could get more repulsive?

… Now I feel like one of those bomb monsters from Final Fantasy. You know, the ones that inflate three times and then explode, killing everyone? Yeah.

cloudiah
8 years ago

This is my atonement for accidentally embedding that Tom Martin tweet:

pecunium
8 years ago

I had a sexist asshat on Twitter try to insult me by saying PZ Myers was poor company to keep.

I said thanks.

But we already knew he wasn’t that bright; he tried to score points against Scalzi.

Nitram
Nitram
8 years ago

Wow, this latest one is just downright embarrassing. They’re basically only upset that (they perceive) women aren’t getting their fair share of the bigotry.

As usual, they are uncanny in their ability to pit woman against man in virtually every situation. Gays are discriminated against in Jamaica, and they’re immediately pissed that (they perceive) gay women aren’t. How much you wanna bet that if the bigotry were “equally” attacking both gays and lesbians, they’d have no problem with the bigotry? Shorter perrins: “No ones doing anything to address this agregious not hating on lesbians enough!”

Nitram
Nitram
8 years ago

*egregious. Good lord. I’m pretty sure my entire post was written horribly too.

Robert
Robert
8 years ago

My sixteen year old son asks me to catch spiders and take them outside. I’ve told him that when he’s a grownup, he’ll get to do it. Is that misandry, ageism, or just being parentally snarky?
Also – not going to click on the Fidelbogen link. I just took some extremely expired whipped cream to the compost; I’ve had my daily dose of malodorous waste.

Stoic Sophist
Stoic Sophist
8 years ago

This is textbook MRA modus operandi:

Step 1: Fin a situation where (you think) women have it better than men.

Step 2: Do no research to find out what the actual situation is or how it came to be.

Step 3: Blame women.

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

In my entire life I’ve had a grand total of two women ask me to kill a creepy critter for them, a roach rather than a spider, and they were exchange students that came from a country that apparently didn’t have cockroaches, or at least not ones as big as the ones we have.
Every other woman I’ve ever known either ignores roaches or they just stomp on them, LIKE THEY STOMP ON THE RIGHTS OF MEN!!!!!

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I knew Tom Martin was a piece of shit, but wow. That’s pretty fucking vile.

Tommy, if you’re reading this, that woman is better looking than you will ever be.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Wait, Tom Martin is making fun of someone else’s looks? The guy who looks like a giant baby? LOL.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Yep, Mr. Hard Chairs is showing his ugly ass.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Nothing Tom Martin says could ever surprise me anymore. He could tell me he talked to Zorba on acid and is in fact a talking platypus, and I’d just be like, “That’s nice, Tom.”

Also, Sneak watched the kitten video like @_@… and then one of the links directly after was, “Dog crying over dead friend.” Instant switch to D:

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I wonder if he’s made any money yet? That stupidity-induced debt won’t pay itself, after all.

hometeampaper
hometeampaper
8 years ago

Step 1: Fin a situation where (you think) women have it better than men.

Step 2: Do no research to find out what the actual situation is or how it came to be.

Step 3: Blame women.

Step 0 is also “Blame women.”

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

Oh Tom Martin, atleast make it a LITTLE harder to laugh at you

@Bostonian

Every Sri Lankan bone in my body is demanding that I drive out there and introduce u to our ginger beer 😛

Biot
Biot
8 years ago

@cloudiah’s brain bleach post: Mustn’t…cry…at…cute…
[Collapses into a sack of bawls]

kittehserf
8 years ago

Look, Puss in Boots has a baby Scottish Fold cousin:

http://youtu.be/qs3HBZC-AY8

pecunium
8 years ago

I think Jamacain Ginger beer is too sweet.

Juicyheart
Juicyheart
8 years ago

Oh sh8t, so now they’re complaining that men can prey upon women, women can prey upon women, but men can’t be preyed upon? And this is means men are oppressed? “Help me! Help me! I can’t be preyed upon!” Because, that is the root of the male-homosexuality-bad/female-homosexuality-ignored hypocrisy. Ofcourse this needs, and reinforces, the idea tha t in a sexual encounter there is a winner and loser/surviver. That’s a messed-upness on a whole other level.

Stoic Sophist
Stoic Sophist
8 years ago

Because, that is the root of the male-homosexuality-bad/female-homosexuality-ignored hypocrisy.

With a substantial dose of “sex is what happens when a man puts his penis in something” added in for good measure.

marci
8 years ago

Oh I see, MRAs are just a parody…right? Nobody can be this fucking insane…right? How can these people be serious, this has to be some elaborate comedy. Someday all these “bloggers” and whatnot are going to come out from behind the curtain and admit that they were just acting all along. Right?

SandinaFem
SandinaFem
8 years ago

Thing is that Danny knows he’s surrounded by idiotic followers that will believe any horse shit he produces. Also, Danny is just plain retarded.

Stoic Sophist
Stoic Sophist
8 years ago

Also, Danny is just plain retarded.

I understand the sentiment, but you might want to can the ableist language. Using “retarded” as an insult don’t really fly round these parts, comprende?

misery
misery
8 years ago

This is textbook ‘fake ally’ behavior. They only care about gay people because feminism is perceived as not hostile towards lbgt so they want to save face.

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

Marci, SandinaFem, please don’t use “insane”, “retarded” or other ableist language. These MRAs may be horrible, ignorant, morally bankrupt individuals and lumping them in with people with mental disabilities gives the MRAs are easy let-off and is an insult to any decent human being with mental diabilities.

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

Marci, SandinaFem, please don’t use ableist language. These MRAs may be horrible, ignorant, morally bankrupt individuals and lumping them in with people with mental disabilities gives the MRAs are easy let-off and is an insult to any decent human being with mental diabilities.

Dragon Lady
Dragon Lady
8 years ago

“Step 1: Fin a situation where (you think) women have it better than men.

Step 2: Do no research to find out what the actual situation is or how it came to be.

Step 3: Blame women.”

Step 4: Profit????

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I’m getting a very Ruby vibe from SandinaFem’s drive-by BS. This is not the first time zie’s been reminded about ableism.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

Every Sri Lankan bone in my body is demanding that I drive out there and introduce u to our ginger beer

Swing by my place on your way through, will you?

kittehserf
8 years ago

hellkell – me too, there’s something very off about this one. Wasn’t zie going on about castrating rapists or something in zir first appearances here?

Magic_Space_Cat
Magic_Space_Cat
8 years ago

It seems this guy has never heard of Staceyann Chin. Because it not like she’s a freaking lesbian and it’s not like she’s loud about Jamaica’s problems with LGB people *at all.*
It’s not like she was ever on freaking *Oprah* or anything! Or that she’s written for the huffpo!

These dudes, I can’t even
I really really hope she calls them out on their bullshit white savior crap.