So the uber-manly woman-hating woman-chasing alpha dogs over in the Red Pill subreddit are discussing the declining marriage rate. Which is a GOOD thing. Because marriage is for BETAs and FRUMPY WOMEN! It’s worse than RAPE!
![Marriage is RAPE - so if marriage goes down, then it's a good thing. permalink source give gold save hide child comments [–]Max___Power 49 points 1 day ago (64|15) No, it's worse. Marriage is institutionally promoted to men as a positive. If I ever took a contract to my lawyer where the other party could opt out at any time AND take 50% of MY shit with them, he'd chase me out of his office and yell at me to find a hobby. Yet men willingly purchase $30,000 flawed rocks for the privilege of asking a frumpy woman to sign such a contract. LO freaking L, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wnosemarriagerape.png?resize=580%2C236&ssl=1)
Huh. If any of these Red Pill dudes were to get married I’m pretty sure it would be be a completely, you know, consensual act on their part. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t rape a, you know, nonconsensual thing? (Reading the Red Pill subreddit, it’s sometimes hard to remember.)
At this point a fellow calling himself TheZimmerMan throws in his two cents on the subject. Like his fellow Red Pill alpha dudes, he’s no fan of marriage. But then he remembers that feminists are supposedly plotting to take down western civilization by destroying marriage. And feminists are bad, right? And so his brain sort of explodes, producing this wondrous bit of red pill word salad, sprinkled liberally with racism as well as misogyny:
Wow. Just wow.
I’ve never seen “Disney” used as a verb before.
Also, I’m not exactly sure what “they want everyone to be on welfare barley subsiding” means. Unless the government has started up some sort of barley redistribution system I can only assume he meant “barely subsisting.”
I also like the complaint about how the “actual working man” pays for all these evil welfare moms while “being denied traditional provider respect and benefits.”
In misogynist-speak, that’s code for “how come we have to pay money for welfare when we don’t even get to fuck the welfare moms and boss them around?”
Red Pill dudes: please continue your marriage strike. Also consider: A vow of silence? Moving to a desert island? Living the rest of your life in a hole in the ground?
(Thanks to Gemma_Lou in the Blue Pill subreddit for pointing me to this wondrous Red Pill discussion.)
YoullNeverGuess — the sentencing thing is about how not fair it is that men get longer sentences. Another instance of “racism, y’all never heard of it have you?” (Skin color matters far more than gender, and I can probably dig up the citation for that when it isn’t 3:30 am)
mildlymagnificent — first, happy anniversary! Second, so much yes on it mattering what you do with that info.
Mildlymagnificent is so right that mildly seems wrong. It should be Wildly.
Yeap, cos Spiderman is real. As are demonic game developers who spend their days on golden thrones forcing chained techies to write misogynistic games. Yep, that’s for real. That’s really really real. /sarcasm
Oh, and you know the other thing that is not real? Misandry. Not real. Like the demons. And Spiderman. All made up. Sorry to burst your bubble but there it is.
Oh, and fuck off, you condescending asshat.
Ha!
I suppose grandmotherly types like me might still qualify as girl – for certain values of “girl”.
I think the majority of MRA’s have unreasonable personalities, which was the reason they couldn’t attract or keep girlfriends or wives, and instead of taking any kind of realistic look at themselves, it it’s much easier to blame women for everything. If you try to point it out to them that maybe they need some work, they’ll bring up something that’s unrelated–it’s always “But look what SHE did”, like someone else’s faults automatically cancels theirs out. Someone needs to let them know that 2 wrongs don’t make a right, since they seem to get hung up on this simple fact over and over again. When I think of the men that I’ve known from my past that I can imagine being sympathetic to the MRM, they’re the fussy, tattle-tale types who resented being held responsible for their own actions–that type of guy.
I can’t think of any MRA’s that are reasonable people, and men who are reasonable don’t feel comfortable with the rhetoric of the MRM.
TW: Murder, family annihilators
There is a new criminology article published (which got onto the BBC news site, hence me knowing about it)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/hojo.12033/full
The authors propose 4 types of male family annihilator. Read the “self-righteous” and “disappointed” ones. Sound familiar?
Trying to make up my mind whether Elam is being self-righteous or disappointed by the world …
You must have been reading my mind–I also think the worst of the MRA’s are criminal types—this is why they’re always complaining about women getting unfair advantage—because if they had unfair advantage, it would be perfectly fine. This is why they want to be able to get a woman pregnant and walk off like it’s no responsibility of theirs, why they want rape de-criminalized, and the whole ugly list of other things they want that always add up to getting away with something that’s inherently wrong.
And they apparently missed the part in the beginning where the “real game developer” sent the utterly real Green Goblin to blow up the heroes (he missed and threw grenades into buildings instead, likely killing people inside).
When I watch these comic book and action movies, I’m the one who sits in the audience and feels bad for all the innocent bystanders who are getting their cars wrecked and likely getting injured or killed while the flashy car chase is going on.
Ah, the male family annihilator–it’s all about “I’m not happy, so NO ONE is going to be happy”. These guys are not givers.
I was watching Con Air the other night (I know, guilty pleasure, ok?) & was going “Yes, shoot Nicholas Cage out of the sky, you have to. Cos otherwise all those people on the Las Vegas strip are going to die when the plane crashlands!” And yet the film narrative was that shooting Nicholas Cage’s plane was a “bad” thing & crashlanding in a built up area was just a-ok. How does that work?
I apologise to anyone who was planning on watching Con Air for the first time & has now had the ending spoilt for them. 🙁
Actually, Disney is a verb – or rather, the negative of one – if you have a Scottish accent.
As in, George Will, Brian May, Immanuel Kant, and Walt Disney.
(And Elijah Wood, if he could.)
I think Con Air is the only film of which I’ve ever thought, “This movie has too many explosions.”
I would have loved to help you understand the elements of this story and what can be understood as satire and how the inclusion of Spider-man with his strict no-kill rules contrasts with the real-world elements. I love a good literary deconstruction of fanfiction. (ask me about my current WIP!)
But, sadly, you specified that you wanted input from the women here, and not from manly men like myself.
Why do you hate men and their opinions so much?
But the cursed frogurt toppings contain potassium benzoate!
The two most recent Die Hards had several car chases in them, and the whole time I was *supposed* to be all excited about Bruce Willis’s cool maneuvers, I was too busy watching everyone else on the road and thinking, “These poor people are just driving to work and these assholes breeze by and destroy their lives.”
When you consider the third movie was about how terrible the terrorist was because his “fire sale” was going to kill a lot of average Americans, it made the car chase scenes pretty hypocritical. I get it, John McClane wasn’t *causing* the mayhem, however obviously the audience was supposed to be all excited by the flashy explodey car chase bits. I mean, he launches a fucking car into a fucking helicopter!
Anyway, weird tangent. Sorry!
Sorry, I lost count of my Die Hards. That would be the FOURTH movie in the franchise, the one that shows his daughter. The third movie was the one that featured Samuel L Jackson.
@Karalora
That’s bad 🙁
He specified he wanted input from the female children here. And yeah, I’m echoing Titianblue in telling him to fuck off with that shit.
MisandryAintATthing said:
“Can you girls help me understand why these expressions of hate against a man should be defended? I tend to see this story as hate speech and misandry, if such a thing were to
exist.”
1. Don’t be silly.
2. It’s fiction, Spider-Man and his cohorts don’t actually exist. You do realize that, don’t you?
3. Why do we, as feminists, have to “defend” this?
If we started trying to police all the …odd.. things that fanficcers write we’d be here ’till doomsday. Trying to impose any particular ideology on them would be totally against the rules and about as pointless as trying to herd cats. The most you can expect are warnings but I don’t see any here. Someone should drop the author a note and tell her how much her story had upset MisandryAintAThing and suggest very nicely that a warning might be appropriate.
4. Personally, I don’t particularly like it because, in my opinion it’s badly written. Oh, and the lack of warnings. Last time I checked some fanficcers were still uncomfortable with fic involving real people but most don’t make a lot of fuss about it because of, you know, herding cats.
5. Please don’t refer to me as a girl. I haven’t been one for a very long time, and since I’m quite proud of my occasional wrinkle or grey hair, it’s not a compliment.
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You haven’t actually played Aliens: Colonial Marines, have you?
Oh god, I just remembered that Aliens: Colonial Marines exist.
Oh god. The rage. The rage. Aaaaaaah.
[Goes to burn down an orphanage]
—-
There, an instructive example of humor. Everyone easily realizes I haven’t actually gone to burn down the orphanage, but the main point still stands. And Colonial Marines is still a thing. And… and… I’m going to curl up in a ball and weep with rage now.
Sorry, new troll who judging by his writing style may be a sock, but I don’t answer people who address me as a “girl”. It’s fairly obvious that I’m an adult so clearly they can’t be talking to me, right?
“Why do girls always do X?”
“Girls? I don’t see any girls at this table.”
Just want to make sure I’ve got this right.
The MRHM position:
* Rape jokes targeting female rape victims are totally cool FREEZE PEACH. (Rape jokes about raping men are, of course, misandry.)
* Rape and death threats against women daring to exist in public are simply a result of those women existing in public and should be understood to be both fine, and not coming from the MHRM.
* A clearly satirical piece of fanfic with multiple fantasy elements is MISANDRY because at the end a game developer is killed (but the fact that a bunch of people of indeterminate gender likely died because of his actions earlier is irrelevant).
Is that about right?
They were making fun of this over on r/againstmens rights yesterday:
http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/1kdfgc/anita_sarkeesian_reblogs_a_fanfic_written_about/
MRAs find the weirdest things to get upset about.