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MRA Paul Elam: “This world deserves a jerk on the collar and a slap across the face and the flying spittle of rage.”

A Voice for Men's Flying Spittle Production Department
A Voice for Men’s Flying Spittle Production Department

“Compassion for Boys and Men.” This, the slogan of Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men, has always struck me as a teensy bit ironic, given that site founder and head angry dude Paul Elam spends much of his time berating other men, and really only seems interested in showing “compassion,” if it can be called that, for those who not only agree with everything he says but also donate money to him.

Recently Mr. Elam ran across a four-year-old video that’s been posted to the Men’s Rights subreddit numerous times in recent days. It shows a young woman assaulting a campus preacher, and knocking him off a platform, after falsely accusing him of groping her. (The woman, a student at Middle Tennessee State University, was arrested and later pled guilty to assault charges, getting a year’s probation, some community service and a fine; the preacher suffered only minor injuries.)

But the fact that a few people in the crowd cheered for the attacker apparently convinced Elam that everyone in the world except him and a few of his pals are worthless pieces of crap.

Look at the crowd cheer this violent lunatic on. It isn’t just her that is the problem. We live in a psychotic world where women can do whatever they want to men, as long as they vomit up a lie, like “get your hand off my breast.” It is a world which praises sickness, as long as the person to suffer for it is male.

Well, actually, it looked like most of the people in the crowd were a bit shocked by her assault and the preacher’s fall, and several people came forward to help him. And I’m not quite sure how Elam managed to miss the fact that the woman in question was led off by police at the end of the video.

In this culture, most every woman is Sharon Osbourne. Most every man is Hugo Schwyzer.

By describing women as a bunch of “Sharon Osbournes,” Elam is not (I don’t think) suggesting that they are savvy, articulate women who’ve been able to not only survive but flourish in male-dominated industries; no, he’s making a reference to the one time that Osbourne made a horrible castration joke on national television, and suggesting that women are a bunch of evil harpies that love to fantasize about cutting men’s dicks off.

By referring to men as “Hugo Schwyzers” — Elam’s post was written before Schwyzer’s recent Twitter meltdown — he’s not (I don’t think) suggesting that men are all a bunch of manipulative predators who glom onto feminism as a way to exploit and manipulate women, but rather suggesting that they’re a bunch of obsequious manginas who let women walk all over them.

I feel confident in attributing these interpretations to Elam’s words because he’s made these arguments many times before. It’s pretty obvious that Elam hates women. It’s only a little less obvious that he hates most men as well.

But I don’t think it’s really this video that’s got Elam angry. It looks to me like he’s still stewing over a recent op-ed by libertarian anti-feminist Cathy Young — a writer in many ways deeply sympathetic to the Men’s Rights ideology — which took a passing shot at A Voice for Men and similar sites whose “steady diet of vulgar woman-bashing … discredits any valid points they may make.”

So far Elam’s site has run at least four other posts — possibly five? I’ve lost count —  responding to the single sentence mentioning AVFM in her column, including one by him and another by a “brigade” of self-described “Honey Badgers” (female MRAs), but Elam can’t resist the opportunity to point out yet again that he’s going to remain as angry as he wants to be:

I do not give a rat’s fucking ass about offending or upsetting any of them.

This world does not deserve MHRAs that are decent or measured or considerate of the mainstreams sensibilities. This world deserves a jerk on the collar and a slap across the face and the flying spittle of rage that it earns with each man and boy that it denigrates and abuses.

“The Flying Spittle of Rage” makes a much better — and more accurate — slogan for AVFM than that boring old “Compassion for Boys and Men.”

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serrana
serrana
7 years ago

The Honeybadger Brigade? Are they fucking serious?

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

This world does not deserve MHRAs that are decent or measured or considerate of the mainstreams sensibilities.

Evidently!

kittehserf
7 years ago

This world does not deserve MHRAs that are decent or measured or considerate of the mainstreams [sic] sensibilities.

What, you mean there are such creatures? I thought the only thing the Men’s Hateful Rageboner Assfaxers were considerate of were said rageboners.

cloudiah
7 years ago

What, you mean there are such creatures?

Well, I’ve never seen them online or away from my keyboard. Yup, I’m pretty sure they don’t actually exist, or if they do they are careful to distance themselves from those who call themselves MHRAs (or MRAs).

kittehserf
7 years ago

Probably because “decent” and “MHRA” are oxymoronic.

MaudeLL
7 years ago

Yeah, I saw that video the other day.

This guy doesn’t realize that feminism (gender equality) means that some women are also terrible people (he should know, there are enough of them on his site). Pretty much anybody who sees this video find her action reprehensible. What the fuck does it have to do with anything?

What’s pathetic is his efforts to foam people’s frustrations with bullshit. He’s like the Alex Jones of MRAs, just less charismatic, more inclined to conspiracy theories and much less known. Same effective marches in front of the White House, too.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

“The Flying Spittle of Rage”

Finally he’s edging towards self-awareness!

Pillowinhell
Pillowinhell
7 years ago

speaking of flying spittle….the commentaries on the spearhead are directing rape threats towards Hugo Fucking Schwyzer.

I don’t like Schwyzer, but no, he doesn’t deserve rape threats.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Oh ffs. Yes, Hugo is an asshole. No, that doesn’t mean it’s OK to send him threats.

leftwingfox
7 years ago

Over 2 years and an apology later, Sharon Osborne is still synonymous with Satan to them.

I’d accuse them of nursing a grudge, but given how often they whine about being called to account for years of unrepentant jokes of rape and violence, nursing grudges is the least of their problems.

joyintorah18 (@joyintorah18)

“The Honeybadger Brigade? Are they fucking serious?”
Yes. The article read like it was written by Karen Straughan who is now on a campaign on Youtube (Girlwriteswhat) to discredit an atheist woman who was sexually assaulted by a man at a conference.

Paul posted a radio show where an anarchist interviewed him and the host said (paraphrasing) “It’s really terrible when special interest groups want ‘rights.’) Hahahaha. I don’t think Paul caught that. He was too busy trashing women and feminists with his flying spittle of rage.

MaudeLL
7 years ago

@ David
(I could be wrong) but I think joyintorah18 is refering to healthyaddict, who first posted a video of her assault a week or 2 ago, then posted samples of the MRA youtube comments discrediting her yesterday. GWW is all over her videos.

MaudeLL
7 years ago

Uh, I mean, GWW is all over the comments. She sent her brigade too, it’s really pathetic.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Oi, I was hoping Hugo. Fucking. Schwyzer. would actually quit the internet, but threats aren’t okay. And are probably counterproductive in his case, any attention is attention after all.

On topic — next up at 11, some women are shitty people! We’re now on the scene live where a woman has just done something morally reprehensible, feminists, what are your reactions?

Um, women can be shitty people too? I mean, the idea that women are inherently polite and non-violent is actually pretty sexist.

But doesn’t feminism say that women are superior to men?

No, feminism means women are equal to men. And thus just as capable of being violent and nasty and generally bad people.

Back to you in the studio!

*cut just in time to see the reporter Owl start muttering “man bad, woman good”*

——

I should go to bed, huh?

katz
7 years ago

Sharon Osbourne is one of those subcultural dogwhistles: No one who isn’t already an MRA (or versed in MRAs) would have a clue what they were referring to.

Ally S
7 years ago

Just read some of Karen’s comments on the whole situation. According to her, victim-blaming and accusing the victim of lying because of not reporting aren’t indicative of rape apologist attitudes at all. The fact that sexual assault is often frown-upon disproves the existence of a major aspect of rape culture. And most male rapists genuinely believe they aren’t doing anything wrong because they’re narcissists, whereas most female rapists aren’t motivated by “pathological” influences at all but rather “normative” influences.

Can anti-feminists people just, like, try to see through her bullshit? The fact that she’s lauded as a “moderate MRA” is just pathetic.

Ally S
7 years ago

Seriously, what contributes to rape culture more than the notion that male rapists are just people who make honest mistakes and/or are mentally ill and therefore not culpable?

baileyrenee
7 years ago

I see people talking about the whole HealthyAddict fiasco, and here I am watching a video by HannibaltheVictor13 on why all the people being “skeptical” are outright jackasses who don’t know what they’e talking about.

This one is long, but ya’ll should watch it sometime. Hannibal does a lot of MRA videos and they’re all awesome. Seriously, everyone go sub and like his videos, he gets a wave a MRA types giving him downvotes every time he makes a video burning them.

This has been posted from my fancy new computer! Yay!

baileyrenee
7 years ago

Oh, and on GWW and all the fanboys with the whole “accusing the victim of lying because of not reporting aren’t indicative of rape apologist attitudes” stuff… I don’t see ANY of her fans doubting her own sexual assault story. If I was a huge scumbag I would demand she provide evidence for that.

But I’m not a huge scumbag, so I won’t.

J
J
7 years ago

If a woman clocked a guy who she said was groping her, I’d probably be cheering too. Cause, you know, gropers deserved to punched – if the woman is totally lying about it then that sucks, doesn’t mean women shouldn’t punch aggressive peverts creeping on them. I’m sorry some angry losers empathize with the Falsely Accused Male than the duped audience.

But this is all really about one thing: these people need to nut up and/or stop faking it. MRAs are either some of the weakest, wimpiest goddam morons ever or they’re all theatrical idiots pretending to get angry at shit that doesn’t matter. Any Flying Spittle Of Rage™ that comes from a fucking pensioner like Elam is probably the result of his dentures flying out his goddam mouth like a frisbee – this oppression is so damn fake. I wouldn’t be surprised if half these people had to hold back snickers with the hysterical shit they write.

“Dear reddit: I know I’m going to get downvoted for this but a female totally just yelled at me because I opened the door and so I shut it in her face and everyone in the GameStop erupted in applause and paid for all the cool indie games I was buying and then the manager came out and asked me if the bacon narwhals in the evening and then we had hot gay sex right then and there I am SO oppressed”

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

So Elam is blaming all women for the actions of that student at Middle Tennessee State University. And he has the register her site which is about bashing all women just for the actions of some female criminals as well as some victims of his anti feminist witch hunt. Yet the MRA’s actually say they are against the idea of collective guilt?

I don’t see how they deal with the kind of cognitive dissonance you’d get from believing both of these statements at the same time.

What, someone said a disproportionate number of rapists and abusers are men? How dare they hate all men!

Hey, a woman did something bad. Why are women so terrible?

Ally S
7 years ago

“In this culture, most every woman is Sharon Osbourne. Most every man is Hugo Schwyzer.”

Sexism? Where, exactly? Help me out, folks!

Stoic Sophist
Stoic Sophist
7 years ago

Such stirring civil rights rhetoric. It reminds me of Dr. King’s “Tirade of Vituperative Abuse From a Birmingham Jail”.

baileyrenee
7 years ago

What, someone said a disproportionate number of rapists and abusers are men? How dare they hate all men!

Hey, a woman did something bad. Why are women so terrible?

Quoting for perfection.

BTW, as fucked as Osbourne’s joke was, I thought these guys were all against PC humour and whatnot? Daniel Tosh can make rape jokes but Sharon Osbourne can’t make castration jokes? Dark humour knows no limits Paul, we’ve all been offended by jokes before.

Monster
7 years ago

Honey Badgers? WTF? An animal famous for following little birds around to steal honey from bees. Who are mostly…female…and live in a hive…and do loads of work without the help of men… Maybe I do see where they are coming from.

baileyrenee
7 years ago

@misery

I have no idea if HealthyAddict is one of the women mentioned in that post. Maybe? No way to tell, I guess. From what she and that post described it doesn’t sound like the same guy… but yea, I can’t say for sure.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
7 years ago

A libertarian anti-feminist, and SHE thinks they are ridiculous. Oh, that gave me a chuckle.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
7 years ago

“Elam and the Phlying Phlegm of Phear”, coming to the discount bin of a bookstore near you.

Z
Z
7 years ago

@misery:

No, not the same woman, though Myers has blogged on healthyaddict’s case too:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/07/29/ashley-speaks-out/
(note the date in the URL)

Vendela
Vendela
7 years ago

I love you guys so much, you make my little heart so happy

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

The more Paul has hissyfits, the worse his little movement looks. When libertarian anti-feminists think you’re too women hating, you have a problem.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

I can’t find it now, but someone mentioned rape culture being teaching Steubenville students not to post picture instead of not to rape, well, this was hiding in my inbox —

Remember the teen rape in Steubenville? Well now a U.S. Attorney in West Virginia thinks what teens should learn is not to document rape online–instead of learning not to rape.

This is rape culture at work. Teens need and deserve to learn about consent, not how to get away with rape. Will you join me and demand the U.S. Attorney scrap this program for one that actually teaches respect and prevents sexual assaults?

http://act.weareultraviolet.org/sign/steubenville_project_future?referring_akid=551.552343.4EVGcj&source=taf

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

Barbara
Barbara
7 years ago

Quote:

But I don’t think it’s really this video that’s got Elam angry. It looks to me like he’s still stewing over a recent op-ed by libertarian anti-feminist Cathy Young — a writer in many ways deeply sympathetic to the Men’s Rights ideology — which took a passing shot at A Voice for Men and similar sites whose “steady diet of vulgar woman-bashing … discredits any valid points they may make.”

How unbelievably stupid can these MRA’s be? Are they honestly incapable of seeing that they really do this, incessantly???

Oh, that’s right, I forgot for a second that they don’t care who they piss off, or alienate, because getting as much negative attention as possible is the whole point.

Karalora
Karalora
7 years ago

The fact that sexual assault is often frown-upon disproves the existence of a major aspect of rape culture.

Anyone who says this seriously is already misunderstanding what rape culture is. It’s not “He committed rape, so he’s a hero,” so much as “He’s a hero, therefore what he did can’t really be rape.”

cloudiah
7 years ago

@Stoic Sophist, I think you’ve nearly got it, but it should probably be titled “Tirade of Vituperative Abuse from a Texas Condo.” XD

leftwingfox
7 years ago

Anyone who says this seriously is already misunderstanding what rape culture is. It’s not “He committed rape, so he’s a hero,” so much as “He’s a hero, therefore what he did can’t really be rape.”

Yep. Or, “Boys got in trouble for raping a girl and posting videos of it online. Therefore it’s in our best interests to teach boys not to post incriminating videos online.”

Not. Fucking. Kidding.
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201308080007

Petition here.
http://act.weareultraviolet.org/sign/steubenville_project_future?referring_akid=551.424435.xm8DPY&source=taf

M Dubz
M Dubz
7 years ago

@leftwingfox- If they’re still mad about Valerie Solanas and the Titanic, I’m honestly not surprised that they’re still mad about Sharon Osborne. These people are CHAMPS at holding grudges.

Barbara
Barbara
7 years ago

I gladly signed the petition.

sarahlizhousespouse
7 years ago

Healthyaddict specifically said that TAM(the host) handled the situation well. She also said that it was the hotel(the venue owners) that were the asshats.
For clarity, Healthaddict is a member of the YT atheist community. She was not mentioned in the original post.

leftwingfox
7 years ago

Sorry Argenti, I have no idea how I missed your post, and didn’t mean to talk over you.

Ally S
7 years ago

Anyone who says this seriously is already misunderstanding what rape culture is. It’s not “He committed rape, so he’s a hero,” so much as “He’s a hero, therefore what he did can’t really be rape.”

Well said.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

misery: Sadly, there’s been so much shit in the last couple months coming out of the atheist movement that the incidents are generally ‘new’–that is, there’s just more of them. Staying on top of it all, and encouraging the bloggers who’ve taken the lead on exposing this corruption, is one of the reasons I haven’t been posting as often the last couple weeks–the ‘grenade with the pin pulled’ post over on Pharyngula generated thousands of replies in a couple of days. The shitstorm’s just been… exhausting, frankly, and disheartening because of how much of it there’s been.

Ally S
7 years ago

BTW, as fucked as Osbourne’s joke was, I thought these guys were all against PC humour and whatnot? Daniel Tosh can make rape jokes but Sharon Osbourne can’t make castration jokes? Dark humour knows no limits Paul, we’ve all been offended by jokes before.

Interesting double standard you found there. I’ve also noticed that some MRAs are offended by rape jokes directed at male rape victims, but think that anyone who doesn’t like rape jokes directed at female rape victims is just too PC.

entropistanon
7 years ago

Oh, we all know what the PC hatred is about anyway. They like to pretend that those around them being politically correct means they CAN’T say whatever they want, but they just don’t want other people to hold them RESPONSIBLE for the horrible things they say.

In that way, the double standard makes perfect sense. Just a bunch of whiney babies who want the world to kiss their ass and tell them they’re right all the time. Or, at the very least, not call them on their bullshit.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

There’s few things that will piss me off faster than the whole “Politically Correct” thing, anyway, since by nature, it’s a flat-out accusation of dishonesty. “Oh, you don’t really think that; you’re just saying that to look good for others.” My reaction tends to be, “If you really think I’m lying about what my views on this issue are, please feel free to fuck off, repeatedly and eternally.”

M Dubz
M Dubz
7 years ago

@freemage- this is part of the reason why, as a religious person, I get frustrated by atheist sanctimony (when they are sanctimonious). It’s like “You think you are not steeped in patriarchal/ racist/ homophobic bullshit just because you have given up on God? Look at all of these examples over here!” I’m happy to work with atheists in my community who want to help with separation of church and state, or social justice issues, or generally making the world a better place. But the atheists who claim to be morally superior whilst perpetuating bullshit get extra side-eye from me.

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