Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the lovely IHaveALargePenis explains that it’s not sexism holding back women in science and technology. No way! It’s just that women are inferior at science and technology. No sexism involved at all!
Maybe IHaveALArgePenis should have taken an English class or two and learned what “irony” is.
Also, uh, how exactly are security cameras supposed to guard against sexism? This is a new one to me.
Thanks to Wrecksomething on the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to this mantastic quote.
@Wordsp1nner:
“I also get the sense that people who babble about STEM as the last bastion of male dominance
(a)don’t know muchabout science, (b) completely forget about biology, and (c) think computer programming is the height of logical STEM-iness.”FTFY 😉
LBT – ditto to what cloudiah said feeling conflicted, but think of it this way, if it helps: everyone is entitled to food, shelter, healthcare, among other things, and a decent society helps those in need. You are in need. Even if it’s a case of that horrible old line about the deserving poor, well, you wouldn’t be on disability if you didn’t have to be, and you know – you’ve made it very clear – that the alternatives are only going to make things worse, possibly MUCH worse. So away, jerkbrain of guilt, go pester someone else, like an MRA or some other twit!
I don’t think most MRAs have enough self-awareness to experience guilt.
I’m trying to upvote kittehserf. Where are the buttons! XD
Aww! ::shuffles feet::
That’s why I’d like to see Jerkbrain of Guilt work on ’em. It might combine with the jerkbrains they already have to cause an implosion, or something.
Come on, anyone with the username IHaveALargePenis must be a 14 yr old boy and unless they are Doogie Howser M.D. then I won’t be taking their rants about science very seriously.
What struck me as the silliest part of this whole thing is how he is supposedly describing aspects of STEM jobs that make them uniquely unsuitable for women, and yet ever pink collar job I’ve ever held has had those same expectations. Apparently Mr. So-Well-Endowed-He-Must-Announce-It believes that non-STEM positions do not involve the following:
1) Being judged on your merit
2) Actually working when you are at work
3) Working collaboratively
4) Being expected to meet deadlines
5) Being pressured to work overtime, sometimes extreme amounts of overtime
6) Understanding concepts. Like, any concepts at all.
IHALP apparently thinks other people (or, at very least, women) just go to work and flirt with people, and then at the end of the refularly-scheduled day they collect their promotion and head home. Nobody minds, because they are not working projects with anyone else and have no deadlines.
It’s been well documented that MRAs think little of working women. To them, women sit around in air conditioned offices wearing $2,000 high heels gossiping all day and sleeping their way to the top. Women do not do actual work even when they collect a pay check.
Also, no computer programmer has ever fucked around and not done real work. That NEVER happens.
The irony is that there’s been at least one study – alas, I don’t recall any details, this was in the paper – that showed men are more likely to be the ones doing the proverbial gossiping around the water cooler and generally doing not-work stuff. Not only that, but women who’re getting on with their work are judged for not being social enough, too work-obsessed, and so on. It’s the good old double-bind again.
Katz — nope, no programmers ever have been given their own closed off section of office to contain the nerf, never happened. Not once did I ever have to duck while bringing them something. No programmer would ever even think about starting a nerf war while compiling. (Yeah, the programmers at my computer job were a fun bunch)
Idk if they goofed of more or less overall, but I’m utterly sure they were the only ones who might shoot you with nerf darts.
Gods, that reminds me of a couple of morons in an office I had to visit once – I think it was an ad agency or something – who were playing football in the corridoor. They didn’t feel the need to stop kicking the ball at head height when there was a total stranger walking through. Pair of fuckers.
Viscaria: It’s sort of like they never actually worked at a job outside their own home. I know there are a lot of people who work from home, so maybe?
I have had a huge range of jobs (mostly due to my own lack of commitment) and I have never seen women behaving as they describe. Right now my job entails a lot of training and knowledge to basically sit at a desk and wait for something to happen. Some nights a lot of shit happens and I am busy all night. Other nights I get paid to read for my own pleasure. I do work on various projects and sometimes there are deadlines, but mostly it is a group thing. We all do projects to improve the functioning of our department. Oh and all of my co-workers are women, my bosses are all women, there are only 2 men in our whole department…and our work would be considered STEM. But like I said, I don’t think that these guys really ever worked outside their homes.
Years ago I knew an incredible black hat hacker, worked for the government, top clearances, etc.. etc… She got interviewed for a programmer magazine and a picture of her was published. /. spent a ton of the comments either denigrating her as a programmer, or commenting on her looks. It was sickening. STEM remains really hostile toward women, and I don’t think the high populations of gamers and atheists and skeptics make that unexpected.
LBT: congrats on the deserved benefits. I don’t know if this’ll help, but I work with a lot of people on benefits and I tend to think of it as a combination of us showing the best parts of humanity by making sure everyone is taken care of (as we should), and giving people who need it the support and space to share how fantastic and wonderful they are with the people blessed to have them in their lives.
black hat == white hat; opps its late.
Intriguingly I was thinking his description didn’t at all relate to what I had seen in science researchers. Then someone suggested that he is a programmer and it all made more sense.
Coincidence is a thing. I was just talking to my good friend and former art professor at the top level STEM university that I went to about why I dropped out of Computer Science. I couldn’t stand the pressure, I started programming when I was eight (LOGO FTW) I would write programs that were different from mine for my friends in AP CS, I just couldn’t handle it at the college level. I’d be on group projects and have to bring my own separate disk with me because the three dudes cut all of my work out of the final project and I wanted the professor to know that I’d actually worked on it, he just wasn’t seeing it.
This is the second time I’ve seen Hugo referenced this week. What happened?
Hey, what do you want? My code’s compiling. I’m using the downtime to productively increase my hand to eye coordination by sniping by fellow programmers with this nerf gun.
Chie — the really, really, really abridged version, with some general manipulative assholery and suicide trigger warnings:
Our favorite asshole decided he was quitting the internet because mean feminists wouldn’t drop the whole attempted murder thing, and we were making him suicidal. He posted an even more detailed version of his murder-suicide attempt, and then like a day later was back in the news talking about a far more recent attempt (like, last week recent). Then he came back tweeting up a storm about what a terrible person he is and how no he isn’t suicidal he’s manic.
Just type his name into google and hit search settings to limit it to the last month if you want all the excessively manipulative details. If you really want to read the longer version of his murder-suicide attempt, it’s on his blog (you don’t want to read it, nothing resembling taking responsibility, just more details, probably enough to ID her). And, of course, his twitter mess is on his twitter.
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In cheerier things, my mother is making breakfast before we get started on the tank swap. I am very pleased to have extra hands for this!
Kitteh — nerf darts are just foam tubes with suction cups at the end, harmless enough I’d shoot ’em at the tanks. Unlike soccer // footballs which goddamned do those hurt to get hit with! And I doubt they shot at EVERYONE entering, the director, for example, would not have approved, but I didn’t give a shit.
Ah fuck, I didn’t rinse the rest of the fertilizer for the plants, guess that’s first on my list >.<
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/schwyzer-porn-meltdown
@Alice:
I guess we’re not even very good at that. If it is that easy for women to make it to the top, you’d expect to see a high number of women at, you know, the top. And yet…
The programmers where I work, bless ’em, have regular pizza parties. They also work hard most of the time. I don’t think they’re exactly a breed apart from anybody else with a job.
And I don’t just mean office jobs, either. Does duder up there think that construction workers are not given deadlines, that they are not required to work with others to meet those deadlines, and that under-performers do not stick out like sore thumbs? I know from direct experience that teenage minimum wage retail employees will be strongly pressured to work extra hours in certain circumstances (there was a labour shortage during my high school years). Can people working on assembly lines fuck around all day and accomplish nothing?
1) it’s seroquel
2) it’s my sleeping pill
3) unless taking it before bed and being out cold in an hour is a problem, wtf is he avoiding?
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Breakfast consumed. Fertilizer washed. Seroquel “hangover” mostly shaken off. Fish all curious already. Today’s gonna be fun!
Ugh, wanting to have sex with a porn star in front of your class is not a problem. Claiming that you having sex with a porn star in front of your class is necessary for their education is. Putting any form of pressure on your class to watch you have sex is wrong. I’d say that even suggesting it to the class is wrong. However the fantasy is not wrong. He is supposed to be an expert on these issues. He must understand the difference between wanting to do something and inflicting something on someone else. He is a dangerous and scary person. I hope I never meet him. Assuming he is bipolar and not just appropriating mental illness as an excuse, I hope for his sake he gets better. However even if he does I don’t think he will be a safe person.
Thank you for that. I’ve been trying to word that thought and just coming up with “I don’t care if he’s bipolar, he’s still an asshole”, but, well, I care to the degree that he’s human, and thus don’t really want him suffering. But if he pulls “but that was pre-medicated Hugo” *I’m* going to need an extra dose of ativan to deal with it.
Seroquel is a hell of a med. Some of the patients at our care center would be out for sixteen hours or more after taking it.