What do Men’s Rights Activists want? Based on what they actually do, it’s seems pretty clear that many of them want little more than the right to pester women with endless cries of “what about the menz?” But from time to time MRAs will step forward with little bullet-pointed manifestos presenting their grievances — and their goals — to the world.
So today let’s look at one of these little manifestos, from an MRA calling himself TzeTze Anopheles. It’s pretty revealing. And stupid. But that goes without saying.
Tze Tze starts off by demanding:
A complete rollback of all misandric laws. … It is high time we assigned the systematically unjust, contradictory and oftentimes outright insane feminist laws to the dustbin of history.
So what does Tze Tze mean by this? Well, you guessed it: “Paper abortion.” That is, the right of men to abandon their children without penalty.
Reproductive rights must be bestowed on *both* men and women and the cruel farce that is the current family law regime ended. This entails granting men the right to unilaterally “abort” their responsibility for any child they might have sired for the *exact* same time period a woman has to abort her child.
Huh. If this man lives in Texas, should he have to drive to a clinic in another state in order to carry out this “abortion?”
Tze Tze continues:
I want nothing less than the complete removal of sex from the equation regarding laws. By this I mean, that women have to be punished to the same degree as men for the same offenses and the ‘Pussy Pass’ needs to be rescinded. Additionally, I demand that women no longer be excluded from having to register for selective services. Draft has to be unisex.
Given that there hasn’t been a draft for decades, and that it has been feminists, not MRAs, who have been pushing for women to have the same rights to serve as men, I’m not sure this is the gigantic CHECKMATE FEMINISTS issue you think it is.
Tze Tze’s next proposal is a doozy. Indeed, it’s positively Anthony Zarat-esque in its audacity:
A complete segregation in society with regards to schooling and work. By this I mean girl only and boy only schools combined with appropriate education methods tailored to the respective sex’s natural inclinations. With regards to work I mean creating – as best possible – companies that are male only or female only.
Wait, what?
If Feminism’s claim that women can do everything men can do holds water women shouldn’t have a problem with this since it gives them an excellent opportunity to demonstrate this claim by *deeds* not words. Likewise, I am convinced that men – undistracted by the actions of women and without the necessity to sugarcoat everything they say and abide to a totalitarian politically correct behavioural code – can achieve far better performance than we have at present.
Oh, but Tze Tze isn’t done yet. He also demands:
The creation of male only and female only healthcare, pension funds and other social benefit schemes. And here again I say to Feminists who might have a problem with this: put your money where your mouth is. If women are naturally superior at basically everything – as claimed by Feminism – they should be delighted to no longer have to “carry the burden of the inferior male”.
Yeah, I don’t know many feminists who actually think that women are “naturally superior at basically everything,” or who even think about the genders in these terms.
It just seems a little odd that Tze Tze’s grand political program is based largely on playing a weird game of GOTCHA with the straw feminists living in his head.
And men for their part will know that their labour will no longer be abused in order to pay for the entitlement of western “princesses”. I for my part am convinced this would strongly increase the incentive of men to work hard, seeing as they would be sure to actually be able to enjoy the fruits of their labour.
I’m pretty sure “men for their part” — and even a good number of MRAs — would see your plan as pretty much the dumbest thing they’ve ever heard.
Tze Tze then throws in some garden-variety libertarian nonsense about reducing the size of government and “return[ing] to the US constitution, the original constitution.”
But it turns out he’s got quite an odd definition of democracy, as he then moves on to demand:
A complete reworking of suffrage.
Oh dear. This doesn’t sound promising.
I believe universal suffrage is unbecoming to any republic. When the mob rules democracy degenerates into a corporate circus, a cesspit where corrupt individuals bribe criminals to pose as politicians and the plebs is fooled and hoodwinked on every level.
Yes, “the plebs is fooled.” What kind of elitist can’t master subject-verb agreement?
As such more democracy is actually *less* democracy, and certainly…less freedom.
Black is white! Up is down! Freedom is slavery!
Cats are dogs and dogs are cats!
What I envision is a mechanism by which merit can be determined effectively and suffrage bestowed accordingly.
Presumably this wouldn’t involve a writing test. (See “the plebs is fooled” above.)
Hence, any individual would have the potential to acquire voting rights but only if he or she manages to demonstrate outstanding merit by, for example, inventing a useful technology, creating a successful business, creating excellent works of art, literature or philosophy (and thus demonstrating above standard wisdom). Naturally, this mechanism would have to be balanced out and its details worked out in a holistic sense.
Yeah, that sounds great.
It was nice of Tze Tze to suggest that women might pass this little test of his, but he didn’t mean it. A mere five days after publishing his little manifesto, he published a post with the title “Why Women’s Suffrage Destroys Democracy,” arguing that
Any country that thus gives women the vote is *inevitably* doomed to devolve into tyranny ere long. There is no other possibility.
Too bad, ladies! I guess the vote is too important to be entrusted to you, what with your love of tyranny and all.
Tze Tze moves on from the question of suffrage to another critical question of our age:
A widespread and stringent inquiry into the feasibility of a male contraceptive pill as well as an artificial womb. These two innovations are of pivotal importance as they will finally create absolute equality between the sexes – something women and feminists claim to support. As such I cannot see and will not accept any rejection of this basic human right of man.
Well, get to work on it, dude! As a man with a superior man brain I’m sure you’ll be able to have both of those invented by dinnertime.
Tze Tze then regurgitates some notes he wrote down while reading Warren Farrell — or while listening to some other MRA regurgitate their Warren Farrell notes — demanding
The undisputed right of any man to opt out of traditional male gender roles in very much the same way women have done. If women reject their role as sex objects then men should equally have the right to break their shackles and no longer act as status objects, as disposable instruments for the advancement of the Feminine Imperative.
Go for it, dude. Be as unsuccessful as you damn well please.
Every man should have the right to live his life the way he choses and *nobody* should have the right to shame him for his individual decisions. If a man doesn’t want to marry or start a family with a western woman (or any woman) that is his *own* prerogative and nobody has the right to judge him for that.
Dude, do whatever the hell you want. I would actually prefer it if you didn’t marry or start a family; you’d clearly be a terrible husband and/or father. Just don’t delude yourself by pretending that the women of the world actually give a shit about what you do.
Tze Tze moves on to the most important issue of all: the right to tell rape jokes in a crowded theater.
Either the complete abolition of all P.C. suppression instruments with regards to women’s sensitivities and their concomitant mob hysteria every time a man makes a “sexist” joke *or* the expansion of these same strict standards to include men as well. Basically, if it is not acceptable to make sexist jokes about women or portray them in less than flattering fashion in movies etc. the same applies for men as well.
Do you actually think it’s against the law to “to make sexist jokes about women or portray them in less than flattering fashion in movies etc?” Have you ever seen a movie?
So either stop demonizing men or allow men to likewise demonize women. Anything else is gross hypocrisy.
Well, you’ve declared women to be intrinsically inimical to democracy already, so apparently you were allowed to demonize women all along.
NOTE: In case any of you were wondering about the reference to Anthony Zarat above, he was an MRA who used to hang around these parts, and who had a rather dramatic proposal to solve all our pesky man-woman problems. This little video will explain:
“Looks like you’ve had a bit much to think!”
Said no one to our pal here ever.
Pregnancy is not equivalent to a job. While I’ve had some seriously unpleasant jobs, none of my jobs have ever involved, say, not being able to keep anything down for months on end. Or passing something the size of a small cantaloupe through a hole the size of a largish garden hose. I’ve never had a job that meant that I was absolutely forbidden to consume alcohol, caffeine, sushi, soft cheese, or deli meat for 10 months. I’ve never had a job kick me in the bladder. I’ve never had a job that meant I couldn’t take cold medicine, or pain killers, or an enormous variety of prescription medications. I’ve never had a job forbid me to change my cat’s litterbox. I’ve never had a job tear my vagina down to my anus. And not once has taking one job ever directly resulted in a more difficult job that paid even less.
Compare the median child support award and the median cost of daycare in your state. Leaving your kid with a stranger off Craigslist costs $25/day here, that’s $6500/year. Anyplace with a license starts at $700/month, and that’s for a potty-trained toddler, infants are considerably more expensive. Meanwhile, http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/children/cb12-109.html …So it pays for daycare so the mother can afford to go work her own tiring, demanding, unrewarding job. If it’s just about money it seems to me like it’s a hell of a lot easier to stay child-free and spend one’s excess money on literally anything BUT a kid. And if it’s not just about money, it STILL seems a hell of a lot easier to just have a kid with someone who actually wants one.
Now, I have zero children and the day off, so I’m going to go have a Lush bomb in the bathtub and then give myself a leisurely pedicure while watching an episode of Star Trek: Voyager, the most misandric Trek.
By the way, there is a simple and equitable solution to the child support conundrum.
Socialized child care subsidies.
Everybody pays in, and children benefit.
Then there would be no need for a father to specifically support his children, because he would be already paying to support everybody’s children.
This would solve all the problems our Tze Tze complains about, and then a few more. It would probably benefit single parents a lot, and would create a stronger, healthier society.
Can’t do it, right? Because of the word socialized in there.
Until we can do it, then suck it TzeTze. You said the magic words “personal responsibility.” You have power over your own reproductive facilities. Sheathe it or snip it.*
* it’s okay, I can say that, because I’m a dude, right?
It is to be hoped that his lack of motivation to learn which sorts of HTML work on this site means that he won’t be staying long.
That’s a monster of a sentence, sorry.
Is there a reason I’m moderated again?
Oh, there we go, disregard that.
File under: 1) Things this man-hating, sperm-jacking, hypergamous feminist would love to see. 2) Things Tze Tze, intrepid warrior for the rights of men and boys, is no doubt horrified by.
This is apparently numbered list day for Viscaria.
Beloved reports that the kiddos zeroed in on the most sensitive of her internal organs fairly early. I got used to her dashing to the bathroom without notice.
One time, a few weeks before delivery, I saw one of them push up on the upper part of her belly. It just went up and then back down. Kind of sweet/creepy.
Oh god I wish I never watched Alien.Seconding everything Howard just said.
@Valerian: I’ve had a similar problem; I’ve seen complaints elsewhere that WordPress is eating a lot of comments.
Ohmygod Tze Tze came here XD
I like how the little man thinks we should be *dispassionate* about people trying to take our votes away.
So, does Tze tze actually know what bodily anatomy means?
Excellent, are you a teacher? Scientist? Do you have any studies? Do they take socialization into account? Or are you just talking out your ass.
This is a strange justification. Also, just wrong, but whatever.
Heck, I know I”m plenty aggressive without being a dude, but apparently my existence doesn’t count.
@titanblue
I think they don’t exist in TzeTzeverse.
@Valerian
Omigod, you can’t consume caffeine when you’re pregnant? This settles it, I am never getting pregnant
unless birth control, you know fails, since it fucking can.@howard bannister
A missannnddrriiiccc (but awesome!) dude.
Alternatively, won’t take five minutes to learn basic HTML, but will bloviate extensively about fake MRM problems? Cool priorities, bro.
Whoops. I just noticed I used ‘suck it’ instead of ‘suck it up’. That’s, um, not exactly what I meant and maybe a little big uncomfortably sexual.
@Tze Tze
I’m a man and I wasn’t “more physical, active, competitive and aggressive than girls in class”. I had several male friends who were very similar to me. How does your system address people like us? Are we declared non-men or are we just shit out of luck? And what about women who are physical, active, competitive and aggressive?
All your ‘system’ does is create an arbitrary separation between people, with no basis on individual traits. How is that better than the current system?
Also, care to address my earlier comment? I’ll even copy it here:
Reading all the vitriol and hatred emanating from you people instead of detached and rational arguments I conclude that you are not really interested in an honest, factual debate.
Nowhere have I insulted you in the kind of manner that you all are trying to insult me with. If you really were tolerant, decent people you would be ashamed of such a conduct. Anyways, it matters litte. If you want to be this way it is your loss.. As such I’ll leave you to your echo chamber and bid you farewell.
Your comments are detached.
Detached from reality.
That you cannot see how you have insulted the women here with your little turd dropping of (direct quote) “Any country that thus gives women the vote is *inevitably* doomed to devolve into tyranny ere long. There is no other possibility.” is amazing. YOU STARTED IT, FUCKER.
@TzeTze: Don’t let the door hitcha where the Good Lord splitcha.
Hasta la never, bro.
But that’s wrong.
Money is an abstraction of value. Which is an abstraction of salient recognition and assigned importance, to use one definition of value since there are a lot.
Money can be considered a short hand for the amount of work done with your body – but that’s also wrong. Normally, you would argue that money is value pay off to your time investment. Hence the phrase “time is money” and the phrase “selling your time”.
Further, since both men and women and cats can make and own money (some cats have been legal tenders of wills), your argument doesn’t hold. A man being compelled to pay money to someone who unilaterally decides to have a child even against his wishes is still being compelled to pay money for a child he helped create. Ie, not unilateral. Ie, he also made the decision to join in the fun. Ie, his bodily autonomy is entirely reassured.
I grant you this: If someone carries a child to term against the express wishes of one partner, that’s a shitty situation that I’d prefer didn’t exist. But when it does come up, I can only default to the notion that someone helped create that child, so responsibility does need to be split.
But you’re still wrong.
On today’s episode of “What a Fucking Cop Out”…
Let’s be clear, pal. You’re talking about removing women’s voice in government and taking support away from children (who you only seem to view as human beings when it suits your argument). Those are evil things. People should be passionate about not letting evil things happen. But whatever, you don’t actually care about how emotional people are being, you’re just looking for a convenient way to avoid addressing all of the massive problems with your little plan that have been pointed out here.
@howard bannister
Vitriol? You wrote a bloody essay on how limiting franchise to a minority of the population and how women having equal(ish) rights destroys civilization and you expect a calm dialog along the lines of “Hmmm… yes, I can see where you are coming from, let us discuss this over tea and scones.”
No, just no. Your ideas as presented are antidemocratic, unsubstantiated, and (to be frank) just wrong. We have hardly even begun to call you an asshole. If you stick the flounce you’ll certainly be hearing that.
Wow, that is some of the worst argumentation I have ever seen. And TzeTze claims to be a teacher. I love how he’s all like “YOU DIDN’T LOOK AT MY SOURCES” even though, upon actually reading them, one can see that he’s full of shit.
VS
Presupposing interest in a factual debate implies an active interest in, and a usage of, facts.
Since you haven’t, but instead used a misread study to support a fallacious point, you are not particularly interested in a factual debate.
Tze, if we’re all just totally wrong go ahead and write what you have to say anyway so all the lurkers can see. Don’t let those pesky feelings stop you. Take a few for the team dude.
TzeTze insect is not vitriolic, hateful, or irrational, or un-factual at all. Oh, no, not him.
Like Howard said, at least he got the detached (from reality) part right.
So sorry to see him go. It is, as he said, my loss.
No.