What do Men’s Rights Activists want? Based on what they actually do, it’s seems pretty clear that many of them want little more than the right to pester women with endless cries of “what about the menz?” But from time to time MRAs will step forward with little bullet-pointed manifestos presenting their grievances — and their goals — to the world.
So today let’s look at one of these little manifestos, from an MRA calling himself TzeTze Anopheles. It’s pretty revealing. And stupid. But that goes without saying.
Tze Tze starts off by demanding:
A complete rollback of all misandric laws. … It is high time we assigned the systematically unjust, contradictory and oftentimes outright insane feminist laws to the dustbin of history.
So what does Tze Tze mean by this? Well, you guessed it: “Paper abortion.” That is, the right of men to abandon their children without penalty.
Reproductive rights must be bestowed on *both* men and women and the cruel farce that is the current family law regime ended. This entails granting men the right to unilaterally “abort” their responsibility for any child they might have sired for the *exact* same time period a woman has to abort her child.
Huh. If this man lives in Texas, should he have to drive to a clinic in another state in order to carry out this “abortion?”
Tze Tze continues:
I want nothing less than the complete removal of sex from the equation regarding laws. By this I mean, that women have to be punished to the same degree as men for the same offenses and the ‘Pussy Pass’ needs to be rescinded. Additionally, I demand that women no longer be excluded from having to register for selective services. Draft has to be unisex.
Given that there hasn’t been a draft for decades, and that it has been feminists, not MRAs, who have been pushing for women to have the same rights to serve as men, I’m not sure this is the gigantic CHECKMATE FEMINISTS issue you think it is.
Tze Tze’s next proposal is a doozy. Indeed, it’s positively Anthony Zarat-esque in its audacity:
A complete segregation in society with regards to schooling and work. By this I mean girl only and boy only schools combined with appropriate education methods tailored to the respective sex’s natural inclinations. With regards to work I mean creating – as best possible – companies that are male only or female only.
Wait, what?
If Feminism’s claim that women can do everything men can do holds water women shouldn’t have a problem with this since it gives them an excellent opportunity to demonstrate this claim by *deeds* not words. Likewise, I am convinced that men – undistracted by the actions of women and without the necessity to sugarcoat everything they say and abide to a totalitarian politically correct behavioural code – can achieve far better performance than we have at present.
Oh, but Tze Tze isn’t done yet. He also demands:
The creation of male only and female only healthcare, pension funds and other social benefit schemes. And here again I say to Feminists who might have a problem with this: put your money where your mouth is. If women are naturally superior at basically everything – as claimed by Feminism – they should be delighted to no longer have to “carry the burden of the inferior male”.
Yeah, I don’t know many feminists who actually think that women are “naturally superior at basically everything,” or who even think about the genders in these terms.
It just seems a little odd that Tze Tze’s grand political program is based largely on playing a weird game of GOTCHA with the straw feminists living in his head.
And men for their part will know that their labour will no longer be abused in order to pay for the entitlement of western “princesses”. I for my part am convinced this would strongly increase the incentive of men to work hard, seeing as they would be sure to actually be able to enjoy the fruits of their labour.
I’m pretty sure “men for their part” — and even a good number of MRAs — would see your plan as pretty much the dumbest thing they’ve ever heard.
Tze Tze then throws in some garden-variety libertarian nonsense about reducing the size of government and “return[ing] to the US constitution, the original constitution.”
But it turns out he’s got quite an odd definition of democracy, as he then moves on to demand:
A complete reworking of suffrage.
Oh dear. This doesn’t sound promising.
I believe universal suffrage is unbecoming to any republic. When the mob rules democracy degenerates into a corporate circus, a cesspit where corrupt individuals bribe criminals to pose as politicians and the plebs is fooled and hoodwinked on every level.
Yes, “the plebs is fooled.” What kind of elitist can’t master subject-verb agreement?
As such more democracy is actually *less* democracy, and certainly…less freedom.
Black is white! Up is down! Freedom is slavery!
Cats are dogs and dogs are cats!
What I envision is a mechanism by which merit can be determined effectively and suffrage bestowed accordingly.
Presumably this wouldn’t involve a writing test. (See “the plebs is fooled” above.)
Hence, any individual would have the potential to acquire voting rights but only if he or she manages to demonstrate outstanding merit by, for example, inventing a useful technology, creating a successful business, creating excellent works of art, literature or philosophy (and thus demonstrating above standard wisdom). Naturally, this mechanism would have to be balanced out and its details worked out in a holistic sense.
Yeah, that sounds great.
It was nice of Tze Tze to suggest that women might pass this little test of his, but he didn’t mean it. A mere five days after publishing his little manifesto, he published a post with the title “Why Women’s Suffrage Destroys Democracy,” arguing that
Any country that thus gives women the vote is *inevitably* doomed to devolve into tyranny ere long. There is no other possibility.
Too bad, ladies! I guess the vote is too important to be entrusted to you, what with your love of tyranny and all.
Tze Tze moves on from the question of suffrage to another critical question of our age:
A widespread and stringent inquiry into the feasibility of a male contraceptive pill as well as an artificial womb. These two innovations are of pivotal importance as they will finally create absolute equality between the sexes – something women and feminists claim to support. As such I cannot see and will not accept any rejection of this basic human right of man.
Well, get to work on it, dude! As a man with a superior man brain I’m sure you’ll be able to have both of those invented by dinnertime.
Tze Tze then regurgitates some notes he wrote down while reading Warren Farrell — or while listening to some other MRA regurgitate their Warren Farrell notes — demanding
The undisputed right of any man to opt out of traditional male gender roles in very much the same way women have done. If women reject their role as sex objects then men should equally have the right to break their shackles and no longer act as status objects, as disposable instruments for the advancement of the Feminine Imperative.
Go for it, dude. Be as unsuccessful as you damn well please.
Every man should have the right to live his life the way he choses and *nobody* should have the right to shame him for his individual decisions. If a man doesn’t want to marry or start a family with a western woman (or any woman) that is his *own* prerogative and nobody has the right to judge him for that.
Dude, do whatever the hell you want. I would actually prefer it if you didn’t marry or start a family; you’d clearly be a terrible husband and/or father. Just don’t delude yourself by pretending that the women of the world actually give a shit about what you do.
Tze Tze moves on to the most important issue of all: the right to tell rape jokes in a crowded theater.
Either the complete abolition of all P.C. suppression instruments with regards to women’s sensitivities and their concomitant mob hysteria every time a man makes a “sexist” joke *or* the expansion of these same strict standards to include men as well. Basically, if it is not acceptable to make sexist jokes about women or portray them in less than flattering fashion in movies etc. the same applies for men as well.
Do you actually think it’s against the law to “to make sexist jokes about women or portray them in less than flattering fashion in movies etc?” Have you ever seen a movie?
So either stop demonizing men or allow men to likewise demonize women. Anything else is gross hypocrisy.
Well, you’ve declared women to be intrinsically inimical to democracy already, so apparently you were allowed to demonize women all along.
NOTE: In case any of you were wondering about the reference to Anthony Zarat above, he was an MRA who used to hang around these parts, and who had a rather dramatic proposal to solve all our pesky man-woman problems. This little video will explain:
“Far better performance”, dude? You’re thinking way too small, meet DK Meller:
@becausescience
They’re welcome to go live separately in their fantasy Galt’s Gulch anytime they like, I say. Be gone and good riddance.
I’m actually really for a male contraceptive pill – I don’t believe it should replace female contraception, but it provides a nice piece of technology for both responsible men who are worried about reproducing and the stupid argument of ‘SHE TRICKED MEEEEE’ given how common reproductive coercion of women is.
I’m also really for an artificial womb (though frankly doubt work of that complexity could be achieved in my lifetime). Speaking as someone who has been through the pregnancy process and who had a ‘horrific’ pregnancy as described by the docs and a ‘one in thirty thousand birth experiences are this bad’ outcome, I think they sound great. They might solve some of the ethical issues around surrogacy too.
I also think they sound wonderful given the likely financing and inputs. Go ahead! Go insist on being able to have an artifical womb to generate children with no awful, demanding women. Then find out exactly how much delicate balancing, sheer work, and general effort it takes to make a human being. Find out how much you have to talk to it in order to instill prenatal language skills. Find out how costly they’d be in terms of various inputs, with everything having to be calibrated specifically to your biochemistry somehow. And while we’re about it, undergo everything under the same abortion-restrictive laws women do – can’t afford to maintain it anymore? Too bad! You’re forced to, regardless of the effects on your life. It can devour your Superannuation. That sounds fair.
I wonder what happens if the fetus turns out to be female in this system. Does she get carted away at age five ala some Amazonian myth to ‘the other side’ or do you just abort every female fetus? Or do men and women live together socially but exist completely seperately commercially, governmentally, and educationally?
It’s funny how he thinks that most men want the same things he does, like a workplace with no women in it.
Myoo: I hadn’t seen that screed complaining about our lack of fusion power. Thanks for pointing me to it; I find it downright charming in its silliness.
Even as an alumna of an all-girls’ high school, and an all women’s college, I am still baffled as to what these “appropriate education methods tailored to the respective sex’s natural inclinations” actually are.
Anyone have any ideas?
Palmedfire: Girls are to be made to sit still and memorise, boys are to be allowed to be rambunctious, and “explore the world”.
The whole blog is amazing! Here’s my favorite from the post right before that one:
Imagine for a moment that you are part of a herd of female monkeys. Say you’re their queen, their leader. You’ve been naughty monkeys and mooching off of Man’s largesse. You’ve been eating his bananas, drinking his water (while urinating in it), stealing his stuff and at the same time screeching, flinging feces and insults all the while claiming to anyone that might listen that Man is cruel and has harmed you in oh so many ways.
Great analogy, or the greatest analogy?
(btw long-time lurker delurking)
David, you missed an opportunity by not saying “Cats is dogs and dogs is cats.” 😮
“A complete segregation in society with regards to schooling and work. By this I mean girl only and boy only schools combined with appropriate education methods tailored to the respective sex’s natural inclinations. With regards to work I mean creating – as best possible – companies that are male only or female only.”
Sounds more like something Taliban would support than something people fighting for equality would ask for, except for the Fact the Taliban Opposes Schooling for girls altogether.
Girls are all about unrestained frivoloty, dancing around, being unable to listen, and require strong leadership in order to make them do anything beyond merely prance around. Women can’t memorize data by rote repetition or sitting still, because they’re not rational, they have to be emotionally invested in the material, so it must be lived and engaged with.
Boys pay attention, absorb information, are logical and rational, want to know things about the world, and have a much easier time sitting still for long periods of time reading / discovering new things, memorizing facts and data.
Cloudiah:
“I have to act sorta like a grown up? Whaaaaa! Misandry!”.
We also shouldn’t forget this idiot TzeTze also believes women shouldn’t be able to vote. Again, it doesn’t look like his real aim is promoting “men’s rights”
Also, this bit:
Once again, a Men’s Rights Activist defending a return to a time when a large portion of men had no rights, namely black men. Slavery was not only not prohibited by the original constitution, there were specific provisions protecting it. It was also where the “three fifths of a person” thing came from.
@myoo:
Aww, baby is sad because he isn’t captain of the Starship Enterprise.
Hey, long time lurker, first time commenter. I really like this site, and despise the people you mock, but I think this (“the plebs is fooled”) is technically correct. Unless I’m mistaken, collective nouns are always singular in American usage. I mean, you wouldn’t say “The army are marching into battle!” At any rate, its horribly awkward… Come to think of it, I’m not sure if Plebs really counts as a collective noun. Never mind. Carry on.
Whoops, it’s, I mean.
Good point critical dragon, however tsetse may not be able to grow the necessary beard to fully oppress the women around him.
Yoyo,
LOL!
That’s because David knows the Troof – cats is ferrets and ferrets is cats.
Hence, any individual would have the potential to acquire voting rights but only if he or she manages to demonstrate outstanding merit by, for example, inventing a useful technology, creating a successful business, creating excellent works of art, literature or philosophy (and thus demonstrating above standard wisdom).
What, you mean like Murasaki Shikibu, Cleopatra, Emily Dickinson, Zora Neale Hurston, that woman who invented the hair-straightener, and a bajillion other women who made shit?
Make up your fucking mind, dude. Can women do things or just invent tyranny?
(Also, really don’t understand people who always assume THEY will be part of the superior class. Part of what keeps me in line is the knowledge that I’m likely to end up hosed by whatever dystopic fantasy goes up.)
Myoo:
I have nothting to add but admiration.
Now, it’s been a while since I read it, but does this guy come from 1984verse perhaps?
@katz
And the the way the government is small is it only actually supports what they want! Genius!
/sarcasmaboutthegeniuspart
@z3ro
Welcome 😀
And Ferrets is David.
Okay, I am going to break my track record and comment on the post.
The people who think that abortion is *just* about not wanting responsibility of a kid tick me off.
For me, the issue is about BODILY AUTONOMY. I dont really give a fuck about “paper abortion” because no one’s being forced to be an organ donor for something they don’t want there.
/responding to the original post; i havent read any comments yet. Also, ranting. Im good at that.
Still re: person quoted in the post. Anytime I hear people talking about how universal suffrage is bad I mentally replace it with “PEOPLE MIGHT VOTE AGAINST WHAT I WANT”
grumpycatisagirl
to be fair, I think the tse tse files are spelled with “s’s” so at least they’ve got some distance? But the only info I recall of them is what i read out of my bug book my aunt got me in kindergarten, sooo…. it may be … offf.
@katz
Small government for the things that I dont need! Big government for the things I do! This makes sense!
@becausescience
yeah, those people strike me as incredibly creepy. :/
@z3ro
hi! I dont come here around too much, but still welcome! XD
@CriticalDragon1177
Well, everybody knows that theres a limited supply of rights to go around. If women have rights, it takes away from men’s. AND THATS A FACT!
/sarcasm