What do Men’s Rights Activists want? Based on what they actually do, it’s seems pretty clear that many of them want little more than the right to pester women with endless cries of “what about the menz?” But from time to time MRAs will step forward with little bullet-pointed manifestos presenting their grievances — and their goals — to the world.
So today let’s look at one of these little manifestos, from an MRA calling himself TzeTze Anopheles. It’s pretty revealing. And stupid. But that goes without saying.
Tze Tze starts off by demanding:
A complete rollback of all misandric laws. … It is high time we assigned the systematically unjust, contradictory and oftentimes outright insane feminist laws to the dustbin of history.
So what does Tze Tze mean by this? Well, you guessed it: “Paper abortion.” That is, the right of men to abandon their children without penalty.
Reproductive rights must be bestowed on *both* men and women and the cruel farce that is the current family law regime ended. This entails granting men the right to unilaterally “abort” their responsibility for any child they might have sired for the *exact* same time period a woman has to abort her child.
Huh. If this man lives in Texas, should he have to drive to a clinic in another state in order to carry out this “abortion?”
Tze Tze continues:
I want nothing less than the complete removal of sex from the equation regarding laws. By this I mean, that women have to be punished to the same degree as men for the same offenses and the ‘Pussy Pass’ needs to be rescinded. Additionally, I demand that women no longer be excluded from having to register for selective services. Draft has to be unisex.
Given that there hasn’t been a draft for decades, and that it has been feminists, not MRAs, who have been pushing for women to have the same rights to serve as men, I’m not sure this is the gigantic CHECKMATE FEMINISTS issue you think it is.
Tze Tze’s next proposal is a doozy. Indeed, it’s positively Anthony Zarat-esque in its audacity:
A complete segregation in society with regards to schooling and work. By this I mean girl only and boy only schools combined with appropriate education methods tailored to the respective sex’s natural inclinations. With regards to work I mean creating – as best possible – companies that are male only or female only.
Wait, what?
If Feminism’s claim that women can do everything men can do holds water women shouldn’t have a problem with this since it gives them an excellent opportunity to demonstrate this claim by *deeds* not words. Likewise, I am convinced that men – undistracted by the actions of women and without the necessity to sugarcoat everything they say and abide to a totalitarian politically correct behavioural code – can achieve far better performance than we have at present.
Oh, but Tze Tze isn’t done yet. He also demands:
The creation of male only and female only healthcare, pension funds and other social benefit schemes. And here again I say to Feminists who might have a problem with this: put your money where your mouth is. If women are naturally superior at basically everything – as claimed by Feminism – they should be delighted to no longer have to “carry the burden of the inferior male”.
Yeah, I don’t know many feminists who actually think that women are “naturally superior at basically everything,” or who even think about the genders in these terms.
It just seems a little odd that Tze Tze’s grand political program is based largely on playing a weird game of GOTCHA with the straw feminists living in his head.
And men for their part will know that their labour will no longer be abused in order to pay for the entitlement of western “princesses”. I for my part am convinced this would strongly increase the incentive of men to work hard, seeing as they would be sure to actually be able to enjoy the fruits of their labour.
I’m pretty sure “men for their part” — and even a good number of MRAs — would see your plan as pretty much the dumbest thing they’ve ever heard.
Tze Tze then throws in some garden-variety libertarian nonsense about reducing the size of government and “return[ing] to the US constitution, the original constitution.”
But it turns out he’s got quite an odd definition of democracy, as he then moves on to demand:
A complete reworking of suffrage.
Oh dear. This doesn’t sound promising.
I believe universal suffrage is unbecoming to any republic. When the mob rules democracy degenerates into a corporate circus, a cesspit where corrupt individuals bribe criminals to pose as politicians and the plebs is fooled and hoodwinked on every level.
Yes, “the plebs is fooled.” What kind of elitist can’t master subject-verb agreement?
As such more democracy is actually *less* democracy, and certainly…less freedom.
Black is white! Up is down! Freedom is slavery!
Cats are dogs and dogs are cats!
What I envision is a mechanism by which merit can be determined effectively and suffrage bestowed accordingly.
Presumably this wouldn’t involve a writing test. (See “the plebs is fooled” above.)
Hence, any individual would have the potential to acquire voting rights but only if he or she manages to demonstrate outstanding merit by, for example, inventing a useful technology, creating a successful business, creating excellent works of art, literature or philosophy (and thus demonstrating above standard wisdom). Naturally, this mechanism would have to be balanced out and its details worked out in a holistic sense.
Yeah, that sounds great.
It was nice of Tze Tze to suggest that women might pass this little test of his, but he didn’t mean it. A mere five days after publishing his little manifesto, he published a post with the title “Why Women’s Suffrage Destroys Democracy,” arguing that
Any country that thus gives women the vote is *inevitably* doomed to devolve into tyranny ere long. There is no other possibility.
Too bad, ladies! I guess the vote is too important to be entrusted to you, what with your love of tyranny and all.
Tze Tze moves on from the question of suffrage to another critical question of our age:
A widespread and stringent inquiry into the feasibility of a male contraceptive pill as well as an artificial womb. These two innovations are of pivotal importance as they will finally create absolute equality between the sexes – something women and feminists claim to support. As such I cannot see and will not accept any rejection of this basic human right of man.
Well, get to work on it, dude! As a man with a superior man brain I’m sure you’ll be able to have both of those invented by dinnertime.
Tze Tze then regurgitates some notes he wrote down while reading Warren Farrell — or while listening to some other MRA regurgitate their Warren Farrell notes — demanding
The undisputed right of any man to opt out of traditional male gender roles in very much the same way women have done. If women reject their role as sex objects then men should equally have the right to break their shackles and no longer act as status objects, as disposable instruments for the advancement of the Feminine Imperative.
Go for it, dude. Be as unsuccessful as you damn well please.
Every man should have the right to live his life the way he choses and *nobody* should have the right to shame him for his individual decisions. If a man doesn’t want to marry or start a family with a western woman (or any woman) that is his *own* prerogative and nobody has the right to judge him for that.
Dude, do whatever the hell you want. I would actually prefer it if you didn’t marry or start a family; you’d clearly be a terrible husband and/or father. Just don’t delude yourself by pretending that the women of the world actually give a shit about what you do.
Tze Tze moves on to the most important issue of all: the right to tell rape jokes in a crowded theater.
Either the complete abolition of all P.C. suppression instruments with regards to women’s sensitivities and their concomitant mob hysteria every time a man makes a “sexist” joke *or* the expansion of these same strict standards to include men as well. Basically, if it is not acceptable to make sexist jokes about women or portray them in less than flattering fashion in movies etc. the same applies for men as well.
Do you actually think it’s against the law to “to make sexist jokes about women or portray them in less than flattering fashion in movies etc?” Have you ever seen a movie?
So either stop demonizing men or allow men to likewise demonize women. Anything else is gross hypocrisy.
Well, you’ve declared women to be intrinsically inimical to democracy already, so apparently you were allowed to demonize women all along.
NOTE: In case any of you were wondering about the reference to Anthony Zarat above, he was an MRA who used to hang around these parts, and who had a rather dramatic proposal to solve all our pesky man-woman problems. This little video will explain:
entropistanon: Interesting theory, but the dudes always think they’d survive the apocalypse, get the girl, etc., because they are just so SPECIAL.
Yeah, that’s like the most hilarious part. We should only have a tiny libertarian government that’s still capable of keeping tabs on everyone all the time and make sure the genders don’t mix inappropriately.
Since he’s on a WordPress blog, he will get a notification that his posts have been mentioned here. I hope he comes over to play, so that I can ask him, “DUDE, WORDPRESS HAS A POST EDITOR THAT EXPLICITLY ALLOWS YOU TO ITALICIZE OR BOLD YOUR COMMENTS, SO WHY ARE YOU USING ASTERISKS TO DO THAT INSTEAD?”
There are certainly more important questions to be asked, but for some reason that one jumped out at me.
Pfff, if I learned anything from movies, it’s that artificial wombs only lead to creating half-human abominations.
@Howard Bannister: Nah, see, he’s not actually advocating for segregation so much as civil war. That’s much more preferable to BIG GOVERNMENT!
i read his comments on who should get to vote as boiling down to, those with money get votes.
1 vote for every $1,000 in a registered account should keep the riff-raff from spoiling this country.
Damn, Katz, I should have thought about that!
@katz: Apparently, according to that particular movie, artificial wombs also inspire a complete lack of scientific inquiry. “Oh, I guess our creation changed sexes… I have no curiosity about why that might be WHATSOEVER! La Dee Da!”
And, of course, inspire a desire to bang whatever you create.
@hellkell
For serious. I think this is a time when “speshul snowflake” is the most appropriate term I can think of. I mean, how many followers of authoritarian regimes have to die before people get it into their heads that no one’s safe when everyone’s not equal. But nooooooo, there’s always a bunch of jags that are totally convinced that they will be indispensible and will never be at risk because of their supergenes!!
@Howard & others
It makes sense, for a lesser value of “sense”, when you realise that these idiots, as with many other bigoted idiots, believe that they are the brave few that speak for the silent majority. So, as far as they’re concerned, as soon as men are allowed to do this, they’re going to be coming in droves, celebrating the release of the shackles that the MRM has removed from them. Of course, reality would beg to differ, but reality’s a feminist hag anyways, and is just trying to make everyone into cat-hoarding, bitter spinsters….. or something
“The undisputed right of any man to opt out of traditional male gender roles in very much the same way women have done.”
But also
“A complete segregation in society with regards to schooling and work. By this I mean girl only and boy only schools combined with appropriate education methods tailored to the respective sex’s natural inclinations.”
Wut?
“These tools are always saying they want less government, but they don;t seem to realize how much of a government increase would be necessary to pull off their bullshit.”
Let me rework a quote from Pooka which originally was applied to the race realists.
“MRA segregationists are sneaky statists.”
sarahlizhousespouse (may I call you sarahliz?): That’s a great line.
@katz: Ah, of course we can forget that extremely awkward scene…
Meh, small-government people are always happy for a huge amount of government supporting them and what they want.
@hellkell
Of course you can call me sarahliz.
Pooka’s a quote mine.
katz: Because it’s only “big” gov’t when it’s doing something, “unnecessary”.
I’m curious, how does Mr. Anopheles plan on men and women having sex if we put a gigantic wall between the sexes (metaphorically or literally doesn’t really matter at this level)? I mean, his friends the MGTOWs are going to be just fine, but the PUAs might be in a jam with this little arrangement. Will they be breaking the law with what they do? Will they get arrested for trying to get with the ladies? What would they think of their pal TzeTze when his plan has outlawed the only thing that they can actually DO?
Then again, they would probably just blame feminism for the wall rather than the people who proposed it.
Never mind.
No, there would be all sorts of establishments one could mingle in, just not work in. All bars would be either male/female owned; but serve a mixed clientele. Same for the dating services.
What I want to know about is the cops. Two separate police forces?
If they like they can handle this exactly the same way the lesbian separatist movement handled it, nobody’s stopping them.
Wait… oh… they want the whole country to fit their desires?
Nevermind, they’re just assholes.
@Dvärghundspossen
Oh, I agree! The idea of an artificial womb to help women is a stellar idea. I just got the feeling from the post that this MRA dude wanted to go down to WalMart and buy up a few dozen so that he could have a baby factory at home without the bother of having to interact with, you know, an actual woman.
He’s a funny little thing, pretends to be all libertarian but wants to totally f..k up all companies, and his anti sufferage shtick is pure vox day. I think this guy wants a magic wand just because. ( nothing to do with sparkle withdrawal at all ;-). )
His vision of an ideal society reminds me of this quote by John Galt, the “hero” of Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged:
“The man at the top of the intellectual pyramid contributes the most to all below him, but gets nothing except his material payment, receiving no intellectual bonus from others to add to the value of his time. The man at the bottom, who, left to himself would starve in his hopeless ineptitude, contributes nothing to those above him, but receives the bonus of all their brains. Such is the nature of the ‘competition’ between the strong and weak of intellect. Such is the pattern of ‘exploitation’ for which you have damned the strong.”
This type of thinking appeals to people who like to think of themselves as intellectual superiors to others, who see themselves as contributing great things to society (like angry internet manifestos, I guess?) while everybody else are just lazy moochers who contribute nothing of value, and want to live in a society where “superior” people, as defined by them, would get to call the shots. The fact that they don’t live in this society is “tyranny” to them.
Um, does he realize the “Pussy Pass” is the result of cognitive bias and not, you know, an actual law? Because if he has a plan for immediately “rescinding” bias, I’d actually like to hear it. That could be useful.
To clarify the last part above, I mean that people like TzeTze think their perceived “superiority” means society should cater to their whims.