What do Men’s Rights Activists want? Based on what they actually do, it’s seems pretty clear that many of them want little more than the right to pester women with endless cries of “what about the menz?” But from time to time MRAs will step forward with little bullet-pointed manifestos presenting their grievances — and their goals — to the world.
So today let’s look at one of these little manifestos, from an MRA calling himself TzeTze Anopheles. It’s pretty revealing. And stupid. But that goes without saying.
Tze Tze starts off by demanding:
A complete rollback of all misandric laws. … It is high time we assigned the systematically unjust, contradictory and oftentimes outright insane feminist laws to the dustbin of history.
So what does Tze Tze mean by this? Well, you guessed it: “Paper abortion.” That is, the right of men to abandon their children without penalty.
Reproductive rights must be bestowed on *both* men and women and the cruel farce that is the current family law regime ended. This entails granting men the right to unilaterally “abort” their responsibility for any child they might have sired for the *exact* same time period a woman has to abort her child.
Huh. If this man lives in Texas, should he have to drive to a clinic in another state in order to carry out this “abortion?”
Tze Tze continues:
I want nothing less than the complete removal of sex from the equation regarding laws. By this I mean, that women have to be punished to the same degree as men for the same offenses and the ‘Pussy Pass’ needs to be rescinded. Additionally, I demand that women no longer be excluded from having to register for selective services. Draft has to be unisex.
Given that there hasn’t been a draft for decades, and that it has been feminists, not MRAs, who have been pushing for women to have the same rights to serve as men, I’m not sure this is the gigantic CHECKMATE FEMINISTS issue you think it is.
Tze Tze’s next proposal is a doozy. Indeed, it’s positively Anthony Zarat-esque in its audacity:
A complete segregation in society with regards to schooling and work. By this I mean girl only and boy only schools combined with appropriate education methods tailored to the respective sex’s natural inclinations. With regards to work I mean creating – as best possible – companies that are male only or female only.
Wait, what?
If Feminism’s claim that women can do everything men can do holds water women shouldn’t have a problem with this since it gives them an excellent opportunity to demonstrate this claim by *deeds* not words. Likewise, I am convinced that men – undistracted by the actions of women and without the necessity to sugarcoat everything they say and abide to a totalitarian politically correct behavioural code – can achieve far better performance than we have at present.
Oh, but Tze Tze isn’t done yet. He also demands:
The creation of male only and female only healthcare, pension funds and other social benefit schemes. And here again I say to Feminists who might have a problem with this: put your money where your mouth is. If women are naturally superior at basically everything – as claimed by Feminism – they should be delighted to no longer have to “carry the burden of the inferior male”.
Yeah, I don’t know many feminists who actually think that women are “naturally superior at basically everything,” or who even think about the genders in these terms.
It just seems a little odd that Tze Tze’s grand political program is based largely on playing a weird game of GOTCHA with the straw feminists living in his head.
And men for their part will know that their labour will no longer be abused in order to pay for the entitlement of western “princesses”. I for my part am convinced this would strongly increase the incentive of men to work hard, seeing as they would be sure to actually be able to enjoy the fruits of their labour.
I’m pretty sure “men for their part” — and even a good number of MRAs — would see your plan as pretty much the dumbest thing they’ve ever heard.
Tze Tze then throws in some garden-variety libertarian nonsense about reducing the size of government and “return[ing] to the US constitution, the original constitution.”
But it turns out he’s got quite an odd definition of democracy, as he then moves on to demand:
A complete reworking of suffrage.
Oh dear. This doesn’t sound promising.
I believe universal suffrage is unbecoming to any republic. When the mob rules democracy degenerates into a corporate circus, a cesspit where corrupt individuals bribe criminals to pose as politicians and the plebs is fooled and hoodwinked on every level.
Yes, “the plebs is fooled.” What kind of elitist can’t master subject-verb agreement?
As such more democracy is actually *less* democracy, and certainly…less freedom.
Black is white! Up is down! Freedom is slavery!
Cats are dogs and dogs are cats!
What I envision is a mechanism by which merit can be determined effectively and suffrage bestowed accordingly.
Presumably this wouldn’t involve a writing test. (See “the plebs is fooled” above.)
Hence, any individual would have the potential to acquire voting rights but only if he or she manages to demonstrate outstanding merit by, for example, inventing a useful technology, creating a successful business, creating excellent works of art, literature or philosophy (and thus demonstrating above standard wisdom). Naturally, this mechanism would have to be balanced out and its details worked out in a holistic sense.
Yeah, that sounds great.
It was nice of Tze Tze to suggest that women might pass this little test of his, but he didn’t mean it. A mere five days after publishing his little manifesto, he published a post with the title “Why Women’s Suffrage Destroys Democracy,” arguing that
Any country that thus gives women the vote is *inevitably* doomed to devolve into tyranny ere long. There is no other possibility.
Too bad, ladies! I guess the vote is too important to be entrusted to you, what with your love of tyranny and all.
Tze Tze moves on from the question of suffrage to another critical question of our age:
A widespread and stringent inquiry into the feasibility of a male contraceptive pill as well as an artificial womb. These two innovations are of pivotal importance as they will finally create absolute equality between the sexes – something women and feminists claim to support. As such I cannot see and will not accept any rejection of this basic human right of man.
Well, get to work on it, dude! As a man with a superior man brain I’m sure you’ll be able to have both of those invented by dinnertime.
Tze Tze then regurgitates some notes he wrote down while reading Warren Farrell — or while listening to some other MRA regurgitate their Warren Farrell notes — demanding
The undisputed right of any man to opt out of traditional male gender roles in very much the same way women have done. If women reject their role as sex objects then men should equally have the right to break their shackles and no longer act as status objects, as disposable instruments for the advancement of the Feminine Imperative.
Go for it, dude. Be as unsuccessful as you damn well please.
Every man should have the right to live his life the way he choses and *nobody* should have the right to shame him for his individual decisions. If a man doesn’t want to marry or start a family with a western woman (or any woman) that is his *own* prerogative and nobody has the right to judge him for that.
Dude, do whatever the hell you want. I would actually prefer it if you didn’t marry or start a family; you’d clearly be a terrible husband and/or father. Just don’t delude yourself by pretending that the women of the world actually give a shit about what you do.
Tze Tze moves on to the most important issue of all: the right to tell rape jokes in a crowded theater.
Either the complete abolition of all P.C. suppression instruments with regards to women’s sensitivities and their concomitant mob hysteria every time a man makes a “sexist” joke *or* the expansion of these same strict standards to include men as well. Basically, if it is not acceptable to make sexist jokes about women or portray them in less than flattering fashion in movies etc. the same applies for men as well.
Do you actually think it’s against the law to “to make sexist jokes about women or portray them in less than flattering fashion in movies etc?” Have you ever seen a movie?
So either stop demonizing men or allow men to likewise demonize women. Anything else is gross hypocrisy.
Well, you’ve declared women to be intrinsically inimical to democracy already, so apparently you were allowed to demonize women all along.
NOTE: In case any of you were wondering about the reference to Anthony Zarat above, he was an MRA who used to hang around these parts, and who had a rather dramatic proposal to solve all our pesky man-woman problems. This little video will explain:
Darn it, I’m a little bummed out that I missed Tze Tze’s visit. Oh well, it was the same old, same old anyway. Women are too emotional to understand my brilliance, women are mean when I tell them they don’t deserve to vote (because they’re hysterical), dads should have the legal right to abandon their own children to starve, and so on and so forth.
If he were still around, I would have liked to ask him if the female schools would be all about teaching girls and women how to cater to and please boys and men. And does he consider this to be “comlimentary roles”, where men call all the shots while women meekly obey them? It’s convenient for him that his sex just so happens to have the long end of the stick in all this.
So it appears that yes, these dipshits ARE indeed, getting dumber with every manifesto, as evidenced by Tze Tze, the idiot who cannot even read his own sources.
I spin, and I subscribe to a very nice quarterly magazine about spinning. There was a recent article on great wheels, and how one guy thinks they were used. It was interesting, and seemed plausible. Since I don’t use a great wheel I don’t have solid frames of reference, and the physics made some sense.
A group of spinners: who do use great wheels, tried it. They decided it wasn’t likely. They cited their personal experience, the photographic evidence; the ergonomics of the motions he described and the wear on the great wheels they owned/had examined.
His response: “They did it wrong”.
Actually, it was worse than that:
It actually manages to get worse. He does a bit of, “I trust they will continue to test/discuss, at which point they will see this thing I didn’t actually argue is really the only possible truth”.
But even in that, the women who tested his theory shot it down on the basis of being inefficient. That perforates his, “spur of unrelenting poverty”, because the work was paid by the weight of finished yarn.
*Peter Teal, Spin-Off: Letters, pp 6-8, Spin-Off, Summer 2013
Carp, I borked the cite.
I mentioned it, because TzeTze reminded me of it.
@chibigodzilla
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Bless you!
I too missed TzeTze. Curses! I’m going to have to come here more often just to get in on a bit of the action…
@Shadow: OMG DarkWing Duck! I love you forever!
I’m also late to the party on this one, but I’m still going to put in my 5 cents worth (can’t do 2, we Canadians don’t have pennies anymore!)
RE: artificial wombs
I really wish more MRAs would read Ethan of Athos and the other Vorkosigan-verse novels, which really explore the idea of artificial wombs and why they would be awesome for everyone (including the MGTOWs).
Sadly, I don’t think most of these people have the kind of attention span needed to read actual novels.
If the only way these guys would ever stop feeling vulnerable to women is to divide the nation in half, where men stay safely on their side at all times (which sounds like the way that children will take tape and divide a bedroom when they can’t get along), then why not take that completely unworkable idea and do something that’s similar to this, which would actually be feasible, and pool their resources to buy a town somewhere like the Rajneesh’s did in California in the 80’s. Then they could enjoy a man-only paradise with no mothers, wives or daughters allowed, and give themselves the chance to live ecstatic, bliss-filled lives unencumbered by the oppression of females.
If they need any contributions to do this, then I’d be more than happy to write them a check to help out, because having these half-wits quarantine themselves from the rest of the population would be perfectly fine with me.
Vitriol? That wasn’t vitriol. You weren’t even told to fuck off by Hellkell.
But even they need donor eggs, which is the start of the plot of Ethan of Athos.
RE: baileyrenee
Do/did you smoke by any chance? Because I did when I was on it and that’s why I thought it was so crappy for me… smoking on the pill is baaaaaad…
No, I never smoked. My chest just hated everyone and everything. The whole reason I went on BC in the first place was hoping it would make the pain better. Instead, it just went from ‘ten days a month’ to ‘ALWAYS.’
RE: mildlymagnificent
teachers tending to view boys’ active and sometimes resistant behaviour as natural and indicating innate cleverness, while girls’ quiet compliance is considered to demonstrate that they achieve well only because they work hard, but not that they are naturally clever.
Oh my god.
Sorry, just… suddenly a good chunk of our adolescence makes sense in a way it didn’t before. Creepy.
RE: titianblue
So what happens to anyone non-binary?
They become nomads on the Mississippi River! 😀
Also, my god, that “you are too emotional to understand” made me laugh. It only cements my belief that those who claim most to be above emotion are the most blind to theirs.
BigKitty – great comment, and I was wondering the same thing!
I will totally sail the Mississippi and tributaries on a houseboat btw. Can I use lochs though? I’d love to see Pittsburgh again (the golden triangle is between two tributaries of the Ohio, the Ohio river starts in Pittsburgh).
Depending just how far upstream counts, the Mississippi goes lots of places.
When some dudebro comes out with the “you’re too emotional” line, I hear the farting noise of a certified asshole.
RE: Argenti
Seeing as the premise is absurd anyway, sure! Lochs are totally fine.
And I seriously wish I could fucking USE the Mississippi for some of my road trip. It’d make getting to fucking Cincinnati SO MUCH EASIER.
RE: Kittehserf
Whenever I hear someone claim they only argue rationally, I wonder what on earth motivates them to CARE about the goddamn argument in the first place. Also why I should want to argue with someone with absolutely no emotional investment in it.
@LBT: Sadly, the days of Huck & Jim are long gone. I don’t even think a raft of wood would pass inspection. You’d have to at least have a life jacket.
And I don’t recommend dabbling your feet in the Ohio. If you’re coming UP it to Cincy, you don’t wanna know what’s coming downstream at you.
Falconer — hey now! Pittsburgh fish are supposedly safe to eat these days and the lochs oughta ensure the bull sharks aren’t that far in!
Seriously though, the few places in Pittsburgh you can semi-legally get to the shore without being a customer of the business owning said shore? No worse than Long Island sound. Actually. Neither blue fish nor blue crabs, Pittsburgh wins. (I’ve developed a policy about saltwater life, if “blue” is in the name, it will try to maim or kill you — blue fish, blue crabs, blue sharks, blue ringed octopus)
I wasn’t thinking about Pitt so much as Cincy, sorry.
And I think you mean “locks” but you keep talking about Scottish mountain lakes for some reason. 😛
RE: Falconer
Annoying as hell, though. Cincinnati isn’t that far from me, but it’ll take me a few days just to get there–a stop in NYC, a stop in DC, THEN a stop in Columbus before finally getting there. Wretched.
LBT – too right. This dude’s just another one of those bros-in-denial about his own emotions, though as was said upthread, rageboners are totes not emotional, nosiree, that’s purely rational. It’s like the gobshites who claim they’re playing devil’s advocate or doing thought experiments – funny how they always manage to pick subjects that directly harm and maybe trigger people outside their little privilege group.
Yeah, I don’t have a lot of patience for that. I’m not interested in playing games with folks who like to pretend everything they argue is done out of boredom or purely intellectual curiosity. I’d like to actually be INVESTED in the world around me, thanks.
Yes! You’ve put it so well – being invested in the world.
Heh – maybe one could put it to these duders (or dud-ers) in a way they’d understand: they have to invest to get any interest!
Yeah, I don’t know where this idea came from, that the only way one can TRULY argue a case is if they don’t actually care or have any feelings about the matter. I mean, what the hell? Keeping a level head is one thing, but it seems to have reached the conclusion of, “whoever loses their temper first loses.”
Blue Whales. Blue-green algae.
🙂