Red Pill ideology isn’t just hateful and misogynistic; it’s also a remarkably bleak way to look at the world, even for the men who supposedly benefit the most from taking “the red pill” — that is, the allegedly smooth players who boast about bedding so many women on “game” blogs.
Take, for example, what you might call the “spoiled milk” theory of marriage that’s sometimes trotted out on these blogs.
Since women reach their prime young, the theory goes, then rapidly lose their looks and their value after “hitting the wall” at the age or 25 or 30, it only makes sense to marry a woman when she’s young — so you get to have sex with her before she gets all old and hideous.
If you marry her later, this means that someone else has had her at her best — and you haven’t!
As the blogger at LaidNYC argues in a post titled “Don’t Marry Any Woman Older Than 25,”
If you meet your wife when she’s older than around 23 or 24:
You are eating someone else’s cold leftovers, then doing their dishes.
You are showing up to a party after everyone has left and cleaning up after them.
You are getting into a taxi and paying the fare of the person who got out before you.
You are taking the nearly expired milk to the grocery store counter and offering to pay double for it.
He goes on in this fashion for some time.
You are paying for someone’s credit card bill full of reckless spending and partying that you never got to enjoy. …
You are trying to unclog somebody else’s clogged toilet.
Ok, now that last one didn’t even make sense.
Anyway, after running out of metaphors, LaidNYC gets to his point:
A girl who refuses to get married young is offering a raw deal. She is vastly overvaluing her product, and undervaluing your time and money.
Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support.
LaidNYC goes on to suggest that women who are too picky when they’re young will end up regretting it later:
Is it any wonder, then, that as females are delaying marriage longer, they are finding less willing men?
Youthful arrogance is the yellow brick road to spinsterhood.
But I want to go back to that previous bit:
Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support.
Can you imagine a more depressing way to look at marriage? If you’re so twisted by your misogyny that you can’t see value in your wife after she hits the age of 30 or so, and stick with her only out of a sense of obligation because she fucked you when she was 25, well, dude, you deserve to be miserable. And I can only hope your wife leaves you for someone who can appreciate her in the here and now.
Misogynistic assholes are at least as good at making themselves miserable as they are at making things shitty for other people.
Rabbitwink — or even the “hey, I’ve got cute babies, wanna see?” that yes Falconer, we do. Spinning it to be DUDE SO ALPHA could take work, merely being stoked at having a kid is easy (when they aren’t being gross or screaming that is)
Me. I almost posted, “So you’re 18 and you took your first Philosophy class in college, and now you know everything. Goodie for you.”
I still remember some of the shit I said after I had a few college classes under my belt and thought I was an expert on the world. LOL at me.
Yeah, anyone else smelling socks? Cuz we’ve done Baby’s First Philosophy course before.
You are so fucking awesome.
@SocialKenny
Oh gosh, he sure SOUNDS like a cool guy! I bet he’d be great to have a beer with! I wonder if, after he finished the beer, he would compare me to the empty glass!! (Because I’m all used up, get it?)*
@rabbitwink
XDDDD
*The real joke is the idea that he would have a beer with me in the first place, because why would he spend time with a woman if it didn’t lead to him getting laid?
@Energomash:
You point is a little besides the point you’re trying to make.
If you value someone for their sense of humour, you value them for an expression of their personality. My friend Steve is funny, and always makes everyone feel happy. I wish he’d talk some more.
If you value someone for the way they look, and merely put up with the way they express their personality, you don’t really value them. You value the vessel “They” happen to come in (And you would, in fact, be fine without “them” being in the picture at all, as long as the vessel that’s so pretty stuck around). My friend Steve is hot, and always makes everyone feel happy. I wish he’d stand around in the corner some more.
Alas, mon ami, trying to argue that:
“valuing expression of personality and person” = “valuing phenotypical expression of genetics” is a road that leads to some very, very crooked logic.
As an ontological materialist, believing in the basic reality basis of everything, you would of course take great care in not making the elementary mistake of assigning value to someone based on etheral concepts such as “humor” or “looks”, especially given that those two are generally utterly subjective.
And more so, you’d be utterly wary of making some trap for your value based assignments of others such as easily exploitable loop holes or that value not really being based on any part of them (the difference between valuing someone for who they are and valuing someone for what they are. Steve is funny. Stevie is hot.)
This has been your subject-object lesson for today.
[Hops away]
RE: Chie
I still remember some of the shit I said after I had a few college classes under my belt and thought I was an expert on the world. LOL at me.
I think I’m immensely thankful that it was during college that we finally accepted we were multi, and it was immediately afterward we set out to NZ. I feel like if I learned ANY lesson during my college days, it was YOU DON’T KNOW SHIT, SON.
RE: Argenti
I’ll bet it’s Pell again. He’s the right age and it’s been a while since his last meltdown. Unusually coherent for him this go, though.
LBT — too early to be drunk? He’s missing some key Pell tells if it is him. I’m steeleing myself for the revelation.
I’m sorry, the latest photos I have include their great-aunt and their cousins, who were up for a visit last week, and I don’t have permission to post their images online.
Be assured that the babes grow cuter every day.
Eeeee! (Oops, I was going to fund that one. I will have to fund something else instead.)
So, uh… at what age do men become science experiments in the fridge that should be tossed?
Is that a Pell I smell?
Ha! I wish we could apply that logic to everyone who made that argument. It means no-one would have heard about John fucking Derbyshire.
Falconer — ’tis fine, the point was just that you clearly love your wee ones, and while, statistically, some PUAs are almost certainly father’s they never mention it. Not in an DUE I’M ALPHA way, which I could understand no one saying, but even a “baby, baby is cute, wanna see my offspring?” way, which you’d expect to come up once in awhile since they’re cute when they aren’t puking on you. (And even when they are apparently, my aunt thought it hilarious when her first grand kid puked in the hood of her hoodie. I have no idea how she got the hoodie off.)
They care about fertility, but not the babies it produces, which is extra fucked up.
Versus: twenty tiny fingers! Double the cute!
I’m sorry, but if Energomash is still here, can he even explain what he thinks the word “objectification” means? Because he went all sorts of directions after that and now I barely understand what the fuck he’s trying to say.
Oh, and just to throw it out there, I totally say “female” and “male” sometimes. I don’t mean it in a weird, animalistic way or anything, I just don’t like writing “woman” and “man” over and over again. Please don’t think I’m an asshole.
Sigh. Where’d I put that bottle of Lethe water?
hellkell — approximately 23, because that’s how old I was when my mother decided she did NOT need cow DNA in her fridge (extracted in a genetics class in HS)
Oh. Obviously I need to brag about bangin’ a chick more obviously. /snark
RE: katz
Eeeee! (Oops, I was going to fund that one. I will have to fund something else instead.)
I’m sure I don’t know how I’ll cope! (Though if you fund <a href="http://baaing-tree.livejournal.com/520657.html?thread=3514577#t3514577"La Curendara, I will adore you forever. Due to story reasons, I really want it to be posted BEFORE ‘The Angel of Joy,’ and the fan who prompted La Curendara, I’m pretty much positive they can’t afford to fund it.)
RE: hellkell
So, uh… at what age do men become science experiments in the fridge that should be tossed?
Shoot, I was a science experiment from DAY ONE. I’m the cool kind who take over the lab and kick out Dr. Frankenstein for being a hemorrhoid.
“I think someone left a freshman psychology survey text in the frat house again.”
Heyoooo!
I think when these types talk about the most fertile age they couldn’t give less off a shit about actual fertility; They just want a scientific sounding excuse to only sleep with young women.
That’s pretty obvious but I wanted to sound all smart and stuff and say it.
@baileyrenee
Male and female doesn’t bother me one bit when used near each other. Nor does women and men. Or boys and girls. The problem comes when people mix them; generally with man/men mixes with female or girl. Those constructs are bothering and objectifying. But female and male together? Not a problem I think.
Also, bububu, one of my new contacts at the comics circle has offered me crash space for a week in September. I feel so lucky to know such wonderful people. *blubber*
LBT: you are awesome.
ergonotroll:
Let’s not, because you are so fucking wrong that the light from your wrong will take a billion light years to reach the Earth.
RE: Hyena Girl
Hey, do you have a blog or something? I really enjoy listening when you speak and if you write elsewhere, I’d like to see it.
…I kinda wish that if pressed for a sex, we could just say, “emale.” Just to fuck with people and bring on a lot of, “You’ve got LB!” jokes.
Good point HyenaGirl, I get what you mean.