Red Pill ideology isn’t just hateful and misogynistic; it’s also a remarkably bleak way to look at the world, even for the men who supposedly benefit the most from taking “the red pill” — that is, the allegedly smooth players who boast about bedding so many women on “game” blogs.
Take, for example, what you might call the “spoiled milk” theory of marriage that’s sometimes trotted out on these blogs.
Since women reach their prime young, the theory goes, then rapidly lose their looks and their value after “hitting the wall” at the age or 25 or 30, it only makes sense to marry a woman when she’s young — so you get to have sex with her before she gets all old and hideous.
If you marry her later, this means that someone else has had her at her best — and you haven’t!
As the blogger at LaidNYC argues in a post titled “Don’t Marry Any Woman Older Than 25,”
If you meet your wife when she’s older than around 23 or 24:
You are eating someone else’s cold leftovers, then doing their dishes.
You are showing up to a party after everyone has left and cleaning up after them.
You are getting into a taxi and paying the fare of the person who got out before you.
You are taking the nearly expired milk to the grocery store counter and offering to pay double for it.
He goes on in this fashion for some time.
You are paying for someone’s credit card bill full of reckless spending and partying that you never got to enjoy. …
You are trying to unclog somebody else’s clogged toilet.
Ok, now that last one didn’t even make sense.
Anyway, after running out of metaphors, LaidNYC gets to his point:
A girl who refuses to get married young is offering a raw deal. She is vastly overvaluing her product, and undervaluing your time and money.
Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support.
LaidNYC goes on to suggest that women who are too picky when they’re young will end up regretting it later:
Is it any wonder, then, that as females are delaying marriage longer, they are finding less willing men?
Youthful arrogance is the yellow brick road to spinsterhood.
But I want to go back to that previous bit:
Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support.
Can you imagine a more depressing way to look at marriage? If you’re so twisted by your misogyny that you can’t see value in your wife after she hits the age of 30 or so, and stick with her only out of a sense of obligation because she fucked you when she was 25, well, dude, you deserve to be miserable. And I can only hope your wife leaves you for someone who can appreciate her in the here and now.
Misogynistic assholes are at least as good at making themselves miserable as they are at making things shitty for other people.
That eye twitch is at it. Seriously world, wtf is with you lately? Stop making me twitch!
I’m not reading those links, not happening. Debating between Cloverfield and Session 9 for while I assemble ikea shelving and uh, ALL THE THINGS (epically short version involves putting it on this bench thing [it’ll be stable] above where the 30g is until my FUCKING PUMP gets here…and repotting and moving plants, namely cactī, can I borrow a troll? I have cactī to repot)
But that’s wrong.
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That isn’t logic. Or argumentation. Or constructing a point of debate. That’s wrong. That is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. WRong. WROng. Wor.Wr.Wha.What.WRofna..as.
[Shakes head]
Sorry, part of my cortex just shriveled up and died.
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“But what about the cut of suits? One obvious reason is that suits are by far the most popular clothing item for boys. What cut does most suits have? Space for two arms, or roughly that. There are, of course, suits cut with various numbers of arms and fabrics (the popular Three Armed Downtailer, for example, have a range of arm options). But since most boys wears suits, and most suits have two arms in their cut (a six armed suit would be more fitting of a cephalopod), it makes perfect sense that most boys clothes come with two arms.”
NO, WORSE.
“But what about the act of senescence? One obvious answer is that time passing is by far the most popular activity for everything. How does time generally progress? Forwards, or roughly in a linear fashion. There are, of course, timelines of varying linearity and dimensions (the popular Negentropy Idea, for example, posits time moving backwards). But since most people experience time as it is, and time mostly passes in a linear fashion (a nonlinear notion of time would be difficult for calendar sales), it makes perfect sense that we talk about fish”
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This is like a primal example of how not to construct an argument. It is an ur example of fallacious logic, inane conclusions and miss appropriated conjecture. I am in fucking awe.
Wow.
Good night.
“…it makes perfect sense that we talk about fish'”
Always! 🙂
It is kind of entertaining watching these guys go into mental contortions trying to come up with a supposedly rational explanation for things that are arbitrary or irrational. At least the religious sexists can fall back on, “But God made us that way!”
@monster
bald cat color? XD
@Fibinachi
I think he was hoping that if he slapped enough words together, it would be convincing.
@freemage
protecting from demons? Did I miss something by not reading the trolls you guys link to?
What he sounds most like is Capital R Rationalists.
This is so far from a compliment. It’s sort of like saying that when it comes to gender issues he has all the nuance of a Marc LePine, or Spearhead commenter.
Show of hands: who is surprised that the organization and organizers that were vehemently against the need of drafting anti-harassment policies for atheist conferences at ended up being harassers themselves or having willingly supported harassers against their victims?
*crickets*
@pecunium
I have yet to hear of these capital R rationalists. SHould I count myself lucky.
Marie – curses, I can’t claim bald cat colour. Eggshell is closest to what my hands look like at the moment. (Yes I am sitting at work holding my hand up to the monitor to compare, why do you ask?)
@kittehs
Fade linked to that not me XD I’m not sure which one I look like but am sure I could find an egg to match my skin color.
@blackblock
🙁 Didn’t hear about it. Though it doesn’t sound very surprising.
Fade: Extremely.
As to the Skeptical Community: https://twitter.com/pecunium/status/365246936028155906
and how a piece of a different fandom is dealing with it.
https://twitter.com/pecunium/status/365263433635078144
Carp: I didn’t mean to embed the tweet. Next time I’ll figure out how to avoid that.
“Carp.”
Heheh that’s a Fishinati typo.
wasn’t a typo. I did it on purpose.
RE: thekidwiththereplaceablehead
Huh. I’d never heard of that show before. Interesting. Also oddly relevant to my life lately, since a big thing I’m dealing with lately is differentiating what I want from what society says I want. I don’t really want to be a wandering bum forever, but I also know I don’t want my own house. What would I DO with the thing?
RE: Viscaria
Yup this hypothesis straight from Asslandia seems pretty plausible, let’s not bother actually looking for evidence but just assume it is the explanation! Also gj not even mentioning the racism in toymaking that means the vast majority of dolls are white.
I thought the pink=white doll was a relatively new thing, with the advent of plastic. Ragdolls and such tended to be made out of whatever was handy. As a child, I remember preferring fabric dolls, which were softer and floppier, and we had brown dolls, literally black or white dolls, but no pink. Also, we were way more interested in stuffed animals, and they came in all sorts of colors. (Oh god, our Care Bears phase…) It’s an absurd argument on the face!
LBT: The advent of, “modern” dolls is a bit older; it came with inexpensive porcelain. That made doing “realistic” faces, hands, and legs, easier.
But yes, “rag’ dolls and other, “moppets” were the thing. I had a raggedy andy, with his denim face.
I was not aware that the Barbie dream house and the Barbie car were dolls. What a fascinating revelation.
@CassandraSays
maybe he means that the barbie dream house and barbie car are actually made of white-barbie skin?
Only dolls I had were Chrissie (for the long hair) and Sindy (the poor person’s Barbie). The only reason I had Sindy was ‘cos Mum had made my sister’s one the BEST blue satin and brocade ballgown, and my sister wouldn’t let me have the gown until I got a doll to put it on.
All the rest of my toys were animals. Them, I loved; the dolls, never.
pecunium – “wasn’t a typo. I did it on purpose.”
Even better! 😀
RE: pecunium
Yeah, of course, porcelain. Thanks, I should’ve been thinking.
Back as a wee singlet, we used to make voodoo dolls with our grandmother out of Spanish moss and scrap fabric. GRAY DOLLS!
Pecunium said:
“My god, he calls himself a feminist: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/over_it/ That’s some fucked up shit. It’s also poorly thought out (at best it’s, “perfect is the enemy of the good).”
I agree. I also wonder if he considers the women of the Plaza del Mayo to be “slactivists” as well.
Pecunium — from a forum that banned crap and other assorted “bad words”? Or just like carp?
I haven’t tried bit.ly for twitter links that don’t embed, but it might work?
Dolls…I had, um…*crickets* Care Bears and trolls…and Winnie the Pooh stuff. Stuffed things, less fights over fucking gendered toys that way >.<
Oh, gendered should be in scare quotes.
Slactivists…thank you for reminding me to sign and mail that ACLU petition. Internet activism, totally pointless, not like Anonymous (et al) caused enough fuss for news outlets to at least cover the twitter storm, if not the Rohingya genocide directly. Nope never happened, did not spend a day cheering that spending dinner out with twitter in my lap was apparently worth it.
Protests organized online? NEVER!! Petitions that people actually listen to because “fuck this is bad press”? Nope, not one, not ever, we all mass hallucinated Kickstarter’s response to the PUA guide.
Can you tell that I find the concept tenuous at best and more often a symptom of “holier than thou”?
I like Carp.
As to the, “it’s all masturbatory self-valorisation”, that’s bullshit. It may not be sabotage but it can sure as hell put some sand in the gears.
Does Juror B37 have a book deal? No.Are cons making sure to publicise codes of conduct? Yes.
Hermn… perhaps the last sort of thing touches a nerve, and the little darling was seeing his oxen being gored.