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Pickup Artist: Marrying a woman over 25 is like paying double for nearly expired milk

I like my women like I like my milk: in close proximity to cats.
I like my women like I like my milk: In close proximity to cats.

Red Pill ideology isn’t just hateful and misogynistic; it’s also a remarkably bleak way to look at the world, even for the men who supposedly benefit the most from taking “the red pill” — that is, the allegedly smooth players who boast about bedding so many women on “game” blogs.

Take, for example, what you might call the “spoiled milk” theory of marriage that’s sometimes trotted out on these blogs.

Since women reach their prime young, the theory goes, then rapidly lose their looks and their value after “hitting the wall” at the age or 25 or 30, it only makes sense to marry a woman when she’s young — so you get to have sex with her before she gets all old and hideous.

If you marry her later, this means that someone else has had her at her best — and you haven’t!

As the blogger at LaidNYC argues in a post titled “Don’t Marry Any Woman Older Than 25,”

If you meet your wife when she’s older than around 23 or 24:

You are eating someone else’s cold leftovers, then doing their dishes.

You are showing up to a party after everyone has left and cleaning up after them.

You are getting into a taxi and paying the fare of the person who got out before you.

You are taking the nearly expired milk to the grocery store counter and offering to pay double for it.

He goes on in this fashion for some time.

You are paying for someone’s credit card bill full of reckless spending and partying that you never got to enjoy. …

You are trying to unclog somebody else’s clogged toilet.

Ok, now that last one didn’t even make sense.

Anyway, after running out of metaphors, LaidNYC gets to his point:

A girl who refuses to get married young is offering a raw deal.  She is vastly overvaluing her product, and undervaluing your time and money.

Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support.  

LaidNYC goes on to suggest that women who are too picky when they’re young will end up regretting it later:

Is it any wonder, then, that as females are delaying marriage longer, they are finding less willing men?

Youthful arrogance is the yellow brick road to spinsterhood.

But I want to go back to that previous bit:

Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support.  

Can you imagine a more depressing way to look at marriage? If you’re so twisted by your misogyny that you can’t see value in your wife after she hits the age of 30 or so, and stick with her only out of a sense of obligation because she fucked you when she was 25, well, dude, you deserve to be miserable. And I can only hope your wife leaves you for someone who can appreciate her in the here and now.

Misogynistic assholes are at least as good at making themselves miserable as they are at making things shitty for other people.

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katz
11 years ago

Oh, and I think I heard somewhere that Moscow’s talking about not admitting 2014 Olympians if they aren’t straight.

Not quite. There hasn’t been any talk about actually not admitting them; the question has all been whether Russia’s law would apply to Olympians and spectators. Reports have been mixed, but there’s some indication that Russia or even the IOC would indeed enforce it. So a fair number of gay and GLBT-friendly athletes have been talking about boycotting the games.

thekidwiththereplaceablehead

LBT: Watch more TV?

Falconer
Falconer
11 years ago

@katz: Thanks for setting me straight. My Google fu was weak.

freemage
freemage
11 years ago

As an atheist, I’d just like to make it through a month without some high-profile speaker and/or organization screwing up when it comes to misogyny and sexual harassment.

Sadly, August 2013 will not be that month. (Trigger warning for harassment and misogyny, not from the blog post, but from the originating incident.)

I will say I have nothing but admiration for Karen Stollznow for coming forward, and that I’m done with contemplating CFI as my ‘organization of choice’. For a brief moment, they had a chance of winning me back after the WiS2 controversy, but this shows they’ve learned nothing, and I just don’t have the time.

Falconer
Falconer
11 years ago

As an atheist, I have had to graft a small pillow over my right eye because I’ve done it an injury from facepalming every time a high-profile atheist says something cringeworthy.

It’s like a cone of shame, but for people!

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
11 years ago

And on Gawker, after they report about an 18 year old who posted his story about raping a drunk 13 year old girl on Reddit’s “I Should Be In Jail” series, commenters pop out of the woodwork to say that it’s not rape, this is a witchhunt, and 13 year olds want to have sex. I need Falconer’s facepalm pillow.

Falconer
Falconer
11 years ago

Well, Gawker is the main habitat for the brogressive. Look, but don’t touch: They are one of nature’s most fragile creatures.

Falconer
Falconer
11 years ago

Perhaps I ought to have said Gawker is “a major habitat” for brogressives.

pecunium
11 years ago

My god, he calls himself a feminist: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/over_it/ That’s some fucked up shit. It’s also poorly thought out (at best it’s, “perfect is the enemy of the good).

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

I couldn’t hit the back button fast enough when I got to his “poem.”

katz
11 years ago

I love that he says this:

I don’t criticize these campaigns because I am against them (or somehow pro-bullying, pro-child abuse, or pro-oppressive dictatorship); in fact it’s exactly the opposite. I criticize them because they have little or no chance of success, since the protests are based partly on myths, misinformation, and often a grotesquely exaggerated belief in their influence. I don’t like seeing people pretend to address and solve social problems; I like seeing people actually address and solve them. And the same goes for violence against women. Will women doing a dance in different parts of the world really improve anyone’s life or reduce physical and sexual assault? Ensler seems to think so, while I am…skeptical.

And then…he writes a poem. Because dancing is totally useless within a social-justice movement, but free-verse poetry, now that’s decisive, mover-shaker action right there.

misery
misery
11 years ago

Did any of you see this post? I searched a bit but didn’t see it mentioned in the comment section yet. (He even mentions manboobz.)

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1jurqt/uneuroticintrovert_eloquentlyand_indepthexplains/

Reddit fell in love with his comment it seems, it’s rare to see this level of anti-feminism sentiment appear in default subs but there it is.

cloudiah
11 years ago

He poops in his own comments too:

I find it strange and sad that a piece that is so clearly feminist—and condemns rape so clearly, strongly, and repeatedly—is garnering such criticism. In my opinion, victims of physical and sexual abuse deserve real action and real help, not faux activism and PR-friendly flash mob dances. Apparently many people disagree, and that’s fine. It’s just bizarre to see people arguing AGAINST the suggestion that dancing is not an effective anti-rape measure.

As for the tone and structure of the poem, much of it was modeled after Eve Ensler’s original version, linked to above. Many of the criticisms I see of my poem (such as the “straw man arguments”) apply equally well to Ensler’s original poem, yet I see no one complaining about that. It’s a poem, not an academic treatise; at least I provided links and references to published & respected scholarly work—including that of Steven Pinker, who will be a guest on CFI’s ‘Point of Inquiry’ podcast next week. Questions about his research and conclusions should be directed to him.

katz
11 years ago

And here he is criticizing that little girl who wants to know why all girls’ toys are pink.

freemage
freemage
11 years ago

Yeah, the warning signs were all there. It really shouldn’t be a surprise that he’s another harasser who was reacting in alarm at seeing his hunting grounds (conferences and professional environments) are becoming increasingly hostile to his sort of shit.

It’s sad when I’m left wishing he was merely ignorant, rather than sinister.

freemage
freemage
11 years ago

*Cringe* And it gets worse.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

I love him taking a condescending jab at her logic. Radford is a silly ass. Someone should write a poem about that instead.

pecunium
11 years ago

And he’s wrong about the blue/pink divide. What an idiot.

leftwingfox
11 years ago

And let us not forget the proud sponsors of this most recent flaming bag of poo left on the doorstep of atheism: CFI. Again. FFS.

Ally S
11 years ago

And here he is criticizing that little girl who wants to know why all girls’ toys are pink.

He misunderstands her question from the start. How amusing.

katz
11 years ago

Attributing the roots of gendered toy colors to “superstition” was a nice touch, I thought.

freemage
freemage
11 years ago

katz: Especially in such a weak, falls-on-its-face way. Even if we assume he’s correct, it would be evidence of socialized sexism, since, you know, apparently only boys were worth protecting from demons.

How the hell does someone with that much failpower stay employed? (Rhetorical question, of course. Answer starts with “pr” and rhymes with “hedge”.)

Viscaria
Viscaria
11 years ago

But what about pink toys for girls? It’s an interesting question, and there are several answers. One obvious reason is that dolls are by far the most popular toys for girls. What color are most dolls? Pink, or roughly Caucasian skin-toned. There are, of course, dolls of varying skin tones and ethnicities (the popular Bratz dolls, for example, have a range of skin tones). But since most girls play with dolls, and most dolls are pink (a green- or blue-skinned doll would look creepy), it makes perfect sense that most girls’ toys are pink.

Yup this hypothesis straight from Asslandia seems pretty plausible, let’s not bother actually looking for evidence but just assume it is the explanation! Also gj not even mentioning the racism in toymaking that means the vast majority of dolls are white.

katz
11 years ago

I want to see a cage match between him and the “pink berries in the forest, blue skies for hunting” guy over the One True Cause of Gendered Colors.

Monster
11 years ago

“But what about pink toys for girls? It’s an interesting question, and there are several answers. One obvious reason is that dolls are by far the most popular toys for girls. What color are most dolls? Pink, or roughly Caucasian skin-toned. There are, of course, dolls of varying skin tones and ethnicities (the popular Bratz dolls, for example, have a range of skin tones). But since most girls play with dolls, and most dolls are pink (a green- or blue-skinned doll would look creepy), it makes perfect sense that most girls’ toys are pink.”

Wait, what the fuck? This doesn’t make any sense. I really can’t make any sense of it. i can’t even with that leap from pile of bull to pile of bull.
Also most ‘roughly Caucasian skin-toned’ dolls are not pink. They are colours approximating uh, Caucasian skin tones, unsuprisingly. I have yet to come across a line of sunburned dolls. Also obviously most of the dolls are Caucasian…sorry ‘pink’, not because of racism in the toy industry but because the dolls actually just grow that way on fucking trees out in the doll forests.

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